|
| Thread: tell me who is fair |  This thread is pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 · «PREV / NEXT» |
|
valkyrica
Supreme Hero
|
posted August 17, 2008 01:02 PM |
|
|
Is Strider amassing a clone army ?
____________
I'm Guybrush Threepwood, mighty pirate
|
|
valkyrica
Supreme Hero
|
|
posted August 17, 2008 01:09 PM |
|
|
Btw, for all of you that still think that Natalka is a she (and an indiviual at that), I suggest you watch Edward Norton's performance in Primal Fear (1996 movie).
Same as here 1 man, different handles (some of you might remember something like this back in H4 as well)
And, unfortunately, I can't see anything wrong with this picture.
____________
I'm Guybrush Threepwood, mighty pirate
|
|
sxshopper
Known Hero
|
|
posted August 17, 2008 03:14 PM |
|
|
Natalka was in H4 !!  don't remember 
|
|
valkyrica
Supreme Hero
|
|
posted August 17, 2008 03:17 PM |
|
|
Quote:
Natalka was in H4 !! don't remember
Things just fly right by you, don't they ?
____________
I'm Guybrush Threepwood, mighty pirate
|
|
Strider_HL
Famous Hero
|
|
posted August 17, 2008 08:06 PM |
|
|
Quote:
And what actually really annoys me the most is this: she was using your tactics with your understanding of what a fair and honorable playing is..., you should have said: hey it was my strategy, my understanding of hnr, and this thread woould probably be much shorter. But I guess calling me a liar and dishonourable is much easier. It mush have been hard being right all the time. And that's what make you a hypocrite.
Hail to her Rule Maker!
and his puppy
ps. for a third time: are you gonna use Natalka's strategy in Caesars?
Is intolerance comming along with myopia, mentoring lord? Read in my previous posts - me and Nat started chatting after incident with arcanes. Your whole position about my role is based on this single lie that is easily disprovable with msn log  Pull yourself together, "lesson teacher"!
I'm not sure what happened there but ALL moves must be repeated if d/c happens. Perhaps she didn't know... did you enlighten Nat about this game conduct or just kept it silent and attacked now in forum? Also, you do agree that rejected reload that would make this all dubious situation void... What's wrong with you?
About HnR... did you read my understanding of this concept? Do you need another enlightment? If opponent or me attacks other party in ANY battle configuration on a map that has schackles then it's not a HnR.
pera, if you want to make a constructive (can you?) criticizm then respond to my elaborate explanation of HnR concept (my personal understanding). Otherwise, seems that you're the biggest bulls**er of all your gang 
|
|
Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
|
|
posted August 17, 2008 09:16 PM |
|
|
Quote:
I'm not sure what happened there but ALL moves must be repeated if d/c happens. Perhaps she didn't know... did you enlighten Nat about this game conduct or just kept it silent and attacked now in forum? Also, you do agree that rejected reload that would make this all dubious situation void... What's wrong with you?
I don't really want to stir things anew but I feel I must remind you a few things that have been mentioned so far. Natalka DID know, I had told her myself and she had agreed not to do it again. So much for her honesty.
About the reload. If you start a bad and long argument and ONLY then the other offers you reload what's the point? Your game is ruined you are not in the mood to even continue.
____________
H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
|
|
perathekojot
Known Hero
|
|
posted August 18, 2008 12:09 AM |
|
|
Here is your role in this thing as I see it:
Some great player taught her that "great" strategy in her own words during our game. So unless puppy has two masters, that's you. She was using your exact words to describe what is and what isn't hnr in our "conversation". You showing up as some, "fell from a sky - never heard a story" innocent observer, "taking no sides" in your humble opinion deciding who is wrong and who isn't, was just to much. While all long it was you pulling up a strains. As for msn log (even IF I ever see it, it proves nothing as anybody with basic internet literacy know - you could have spoken over hamachi, in game, could be only a partial log, ...)
As for a reason why haven't said anything about d/c, I will try to explain (not sure that you will understand tough):
In my games if opponent suicide I insist on a reload (only once haven't offered it, and that was because I was annoyed by the other side). And there are quite a few persons that can confirm this. If d/c happens I always believe it was an internet/windows problem, never argue about it or make a fuzz. Always asking opponent for rules (that's probably just laziness), never named them myself. Not including last game or games vs. Infinitus always play random, for I believe that even unlucky match-ups are good, makes me better player and satisfaction if I win in such game is ten times bigger, plus not giving the other side reason to think that it was tricked into playing against on some map overpowered factions (exp. Lets figth vs. dungeon). So, in short, I don't snow about every thing. That is way I didn't accept her reload. It was after a lot of talk, and it looked like it was forced, certainly not freely and gladly offered. And person like herself, would surely use it as excuse for loss or even as a reason not to accept defeat. Because, we both knew, that the game was lost to her. One way or the other. So, having on one side my experience with her, and general impression of a kind of person she is, and on the other side you sticking up for her so passionately, really doesn't help your image, in my eyes. And probably there are a few people more out there, who had similar experience with your puppy who might think the same.
As for her ignorance, she certainly know very little in your opinion. I got very different impression. The only thing she doesn't seem to know, as far as I can see, is to play fair. So, maybe next lesson should be focused on that part of the game.
And that also is a reason why I don't use your definition of hnr, because most of the people out there would be pissed, and winning at all costs, maybe yours or hers, but is definitely not my kind of a game.
And for my respond to "your elaborate explanation of HnR concept", as far as I understand the current version of it (since it has changed a bit during this thread), here it is:
1. only thing I can agree fully is: mentored kamikaze are definitely hit and run and should be banned along with other types of hnr
2. for your money issue argument as a reason not to consider some attack as hnr, I fully disagree. Because a person can sacrifice some units (in terms of not buying them)/sell some arifacts , and use hnr several times if opponent doesn't have means to defend. In our current game, due to the existence of memory mentor I could use warpath, for a time, have a scouting and arcane intuition learned and ready, and just relearn swift mind once reach center. But on map without memory mentor slow faction (units with low initative) must take swift mind just to stand any chance against such attack. Thus giving the other side chance to use warpath, develop faster and ultimately win the game. Because other side doesn't need swift mind, it has swift units.
3. Even with swift mind there are situation where you can't defend against such hnr. I posted it on the other thread, but will do it here too: "
Imagine hit and run with Haggash on lvl 30 using only: all of her centaurs split in 5 stacks and 2x1 chieftain next to them for extra initative boost. If you are lets say some slow faction (necro, dwarf). On lvl 30 Haggash with non-upgraded centaurs and ring of speed is unreachable even with a swift minded hero. So unless having shackles, you could very much just say: mercy And she is gonna make heavy casaulties on your side, for a price of 25 gold per centaur for surrender. Cheap tactics, isn't it?"
Even if there is theoretical chance for a swift minded hero to act first, splitting centaurs in 5 stacks makes it infinitely marginal. Or if you wont: add dragon eye ring, and there is no chance at all (That was what was the case in last game: I had no shackles and no staff, puppy had ring of speed and dragon ring). And you can always use your secondary to check your opponent (7 stack of goblins with intiative 12 will tell you if your opponent has swift mind/staff/shackles). And of course attack same turn.
Also about the money issue, haggash with 200 centaurs only has to pay 5000 gold, which is hilarious considering the damage she can do with them.
And what about dwarves and wizard with 2% chance to get logistics. Who 's gonna play tham against such tactics.
It will turn the game into search for another exploit, new trick to hit and run (Havez with minies and artifacts from town merchant comes to mind). Or in the end the side who got lucky with artifacts (getting initiative boosting artifacts) will always have enormous advantage. As for game options swift mind will be must, thus reducing actual choice to 2-3 skills. It will become boring very quickly.
3. If one would take your definition of hnr, it would imply that for every map and for every mach-up you should define is it a rich map, is it rich enough for all factions, and it would make arguing even more tiresome then arguing about the definition of hnr in a first place
4. And finally the biggest reason not to consider it regular tactics is, and I say it again: it's cheap, unfriendly, it pisses people off, make bad blood, ruins the game and whole experience.
And of course, if there are free shackles in every game, and kamikaze tactics is banned, there is no need to discuss the issue. So making rules about it is beside the point.
|
|
Arangar
Famous Hero
Weak ranger - lost viking
|
|
posted August 18, 2008 01:34 PM |
|
|
And of course, if there are free shackles in every game, and kamikaze tactics is bann
Seems simple enough? But then there would be no drama on the msg board.. I vote NO! 
|
|
sxshopper
Known Hero
|
|
posted August 18, 2008 02:16 PM |
|
|
Quote:
Seems simple enough? But then there would be no drama on the msg board.. I vote NO!
don't comment, GET BACK TO GAMING H5!!!! i wanna see all dinosaurs back
|
|
Strider_HL
Famous Hero
|
|
posted August 18, 2008 07:12 PM |
|
|
Quote:
As for msn log (even IF I ever see it, it proves nothing as anybody with basic internet literacy know - you could have spoken over hamachi, in game, could be only a partial log, ...)
You are right on the money! Actually it's even more sophisticated - we used fax to convey secret messages between each other in anticipation for your investigation  Sry, but the further you go the more pathetic it sounds...
Let's have a deal - I show you msn log (it really is the only channel we chat in and we have never played with Nat), you make sure how unjustified accusation towards me was and then you write a long and regretful apology letter. I just don't like being called lame and hypocrite by some hot tempered mentoring lord
Tolerance! IMO if you play this dynamic game where many ppl are too emotional you must develop some level of tolerance. To me it seems you have none. If I understood it correctly, you argued with Nat, then rejected relaod, then mentored kamikazes, then REPORTED A WIN... i wonder if you also put dishonorable in game report? I'd like to hear it from you straight - was you behaviour honorable and tolerant?
Of course I realize that for the absolute majority of your heroes career you have acted honorably but these crisis situations are the best mirror for one's personality. IMO you need to be more forthcomming and learn no to burn bridges AND learn to shut your mouth with accusations if you are not completely sure about it
At least thx for a detailed reply concerning HnR. Good that we agree on mentored kamikazes and "all action is permittable on maps with available schackles".
As for your analysis, why don't you try for instance Anwen - Naadir hehe So arcanes got 11 initiative... Also, you absolutely don't need swift mind to counter "physical attack" as mostly units in both armies have relatively little difference in initatives. Also, don't look at money aspect alone... it's money and substantial risk to attakcers army in pair that makes HnR with troops a very probable case of defeat.
Anyway, let's don't harbour hopes that we might agree on HnR concept completely. Common understanding of HnR concept has been unattainable since times of H3....
|
|
perathekojot
Known Hero
|
posted August 18, 2008 10:21 PM |
|
|
It sure would be interesting to see such log. So do show it to me, first chance you get. But, on the other hand, if it is to much trouble, it's not a problem if you don't. Considering the fact that I will have to trust you on number of other things: you never played each other, it's entire log, never spoked over hamachi or any other way, I will trust you on that one to. No, really I will  Because, you are such trustworthy guy, and I am getting more convinced of it by every your post. Don't forget to send me a fax number, so I can, in return, send you that long and regretful apology letter, singed and bearing official pera.the.kojot stamp.
As for a reload, I will say again: it wasn't gladly or freely offered, it was forced by my insistance that it was hnr. And such reload is not needed in my eyes. If you can comprehend the feeling. But, maybe you can't. Guess we all have our limits. But even if we reloaded, there was no chance that she could win that game. I have much bigger army, 5-6 lvl more, better stats, every dark and summoning spell (4-5 lvl) there is. While all she had was 6 dragons, 100 arcanes and couple of sprites. Simple puppet, summoning hive with initative 21, phoenix, 100+ elementals, it would only take few minutes for entire game.
As for my screaming it never happend, I talked to her calmly and very politely, so did she to the momment of kamikaze hit. And only when she mentioned my mother, put something into my something, and number of other things that I did not understood, I become rude and nasty.
So to your question of how did I report my game: dishonorable of course, and if there were an option: having no honor but personality of stinking skunk, then I would have chosen that one. I guess you would have named here honourable, if you were in my place.
And when fighting such person, in my opinion, you have every right to use even the cheapest, dirtiest trick you can think of, and afterwords congratulate yourself for doing so.
As for my replay to your "your elaborate explanation of HnR concept", after seeing your replay, I just regret wasting time in doing so. Guess you didn't really wont a replay, after all.
But I will write it one thing more to answer this:
Also, you absolutely don't need swift mind to counter "physical attack" as mostly units in both armies have relatively little difference in initatives. Also, don't look at money aspect alone... it's money and substantial risk to attakcers army in pair that makes HnR with troops a very probable case of defeat.
There are so many way to exploit hero without swift mind, if some conditions are fulfilled, that writing them down would take days. But let's use mine. Answer this (and if you can't maybe consider not speaking of this subject ever again on this forum):
I had no swift mind, no initative arties. Puppy had arcanes with initative of 15, 6 dragons, and 5 stack of pixies. How would you o mighty Rule Maker, defend in such situation. Because, "you absolutely don't need swift mind to counter "physical attack" as mostly units in both armies have relatively little difference in initatives", and considering how trustworthy you are, and trusting you on several more thing, I do believe you. Just I can't find a way. Please, show me the way, o Mighty one.
Because just using secondary before the attack (same turn of course) you can avoid any risk of swift mind, shackles or initative arties opponent might have. You get your full army for a final fight. Have always two secondaries nearby. Attack with one. If there is possibility attack with only swift troops (arcanes, centaurs, gremlins and titans with minies), or if you have swift mind use divine guidance or word of chief for slower stack. Surrender after hit. Come back after to finish the rest, or to do it again. Pretty impossible.
And please do try to answer my question, as I did answer yours. Answering only those on which you can think of semi-convincing respons does make you look pathetic.
ps. Still haven't decide if you gonna use puppy's "tactics" in Caesars, haven't you. Guess that depands weather you can win without it. Answering here will only let your opponent use same "tactics" aginst you first. Only assuming, of course
|
|
Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
|
|
posted August 18, 2008 11:28 PM |
|
|
First of all ... it's all about the way you look at things. My oppinion is that natalka's actions cannot be called hit and run ... at most it can be called a hnr trap, but anyway I don't understand how anyone could expect his opponent to leave battle and surrender, without taking a shot at opponents troops, after being attacked.
Second, I see pera losing his temper, and over reacting when throwing kamicazes at natalka, when he had such a big advantage (troops and stats) and could have easily won the game just by attacking her, but since there were no rules agreed before the game he cannot really be blamed.
In the end, I think all this trouble is caused by TOTE, which brought to the surface some big imbalances... that should be corrected somehow. Maybe the TOH MOD should be resumed, and everybody from TOH should put some work&testing in it, so it can really be used next season and make games more balanced and fun!
____________
|
|
Strider_HL
Famous Hero
|
|
posted August 19, 2008 09:39 AM |
|
|
Quote:
In the end, I think all this trouble is caused by TOTE, which brought to the surface some big imbalances... that should be corrected somehow. Maybe the TOH MOD should be resumed, and everybody from TOH should put some work&testing in it, so it can really be used next season and make games more balanced and fun!
We started TOH MOD with exact high hopes - correcting IMBAs. Look at the length of that thread and the one before... Proposals were many, disagreement was even bigger though that is not an objective criterion as 2/3 of it came from president of Kennel Brothers Ltd Btw, Ltd stands for "limited" which perfectly suits this company
Anyway, only lazy ones don't lose and we as community can only gain by mutually designed MOD. TowerLord, for a start, I suggest, you post ideas in the TOH MOD thread and we will see the acceptance level.
|
|
Elit
Famous Hero
|
|
posted August 19, 2008 10:15 AM |
|
Edited by Elit at 10:17, 19 Aug 2008.
|
Quote:
Quote:
In the end, I think all this trouble is caused by TOTE, which brought to the surface some big imbalances... that should be corrected somehow. Maybe the TOH MOD should be resumed, and everybody from TOH should put some work&testing in it, so it can really be used next season and make games more balanced and fun!
We started TOH MOD with exact high hopes - correcting IMBAs. Look at the length of that thread and the one before... Proposals were many, disagreement was even bigger though that is not an objective criterion as 2/3 of it came from president of Kennel Brothers Ltd Btw, Ltd stands for "limited" which perfectly suits this company
Anyway, only lazy ones don't lose and we as community can only gain by mutually designed MOD. TowerLord, for a start, I suggest, you post ideas in the TOH MOD thread and we will see the acceptance level.
How you can expect MoD to be legit and used when you start it....make few suggestion...self agree them and post final MoD--> "result from all community". Your n00b MoD maybe fix DV but bring new imbalances. No one reason to use it.
Kennel Brothers Ltd look every your step! 
|
|
Strider_HL
Famous Hero
|
|
posted August 19, 2008 10:32 AM |
|
|
Quote:
How you can expect MoD to be legit and used when you start it....make few suggestion...self agree them and post final MoD--> "result from all community". Your n00b MoD maybe fix DV but bring new imbalances. No one reason to use it.
Doh, so untrue AGAIN. Explore that thread - you will see that I wanted ~20 changes and more cardinal. TOH MOD has only 5 and only DV is the way I designed it initially. The rest of it is a compromise product of the community
What's the deal with several players around here acting like vermin over and over again You start majority of posts concerning me with vermin's special ability - sucking out all liking to communicate with pure lies. It's almost automatic - at the start of discussion you use "special ability" and then build the message upon those lies that are so easily wasted. And then I have to invest time and pollute forums with a counter post containing facts that appoint you the vermin of TOH
|
|
Strider_HL
Famous Hero
|
|
posted August 19, 2008 11:26 AM |
|
|
Quote:
So to your question of how did I report my game: dishonorable of course, I guess you would have named here honourable, if you were in my place.
And when fighting such person, in my opinion, you have every right to use even the cheapest, dirtiest trick you can think of, and afterwords congratulate yourself for doing so.
All your reasoning about this is just so wrong, imo... mostly it says some unflattering things about yourself  So you got win, mentored kamikazes and called her dishonourable... i presume you are the honorable here? Instead, I think you shoud have tried to seal your "sure" victory, be tolerant... after trick with kamikazes grading opponent dishonourable seems like travesty of the whole reporting system.
Anyway, even if you are a good person in general, this crisis situation was managed extremely badly on your part, imo...
Quote:
Answer this: I had no swift mind, no initative arties. Puppy had arcanes with initative of 15, 6 dragons, and 5 stack of pixies. How would you o mighty Rule Maker, defend in such situation. Just I can't find a way. Please, show me the way, o Mighty one.
Lol, actually this is the "suicide pattern" for sylvan Arcanes, the slowest unit in that combo, are the last to act assuming neutral ATB. What does it mean? It means that unless sylvan hero acts before necro and can surrender, then after arcanes deal the damage they are extremely vulnerable. A simple ice bolt with sp 40 would do the job, doh With dmg 480 you kill 34 arcanes as punishment for 15 wights. Vampire princes if opposite to dragons would waste them as well, skeleton archers follow... Bottomline - it all would be determined by ATB of both heroes. It's 50% chance for sylvan to lose at once.
But what's more to it? It's money for you and LESS for sylvan that is crucial for an effective first wave. Then there is left all treasury zone for you alone. Then there is considerable risk sylvan perishes right away... do you comprehend my point?
Moreover, did Nat check your hero with secondary for presence of swift mind, ini arts? No?! Lol... it was a partial suicide mission but she just got lucky with ATB, that's all.
Quote:
If there is possibility attack with only swift troops (arcanes, centaurs, gremlins and titans with minies), or if you have swift mind use divine guidance or word of chief for slower stack. Surrender after hit. Come back after to finish the rest, or to do it again. Pretty impossible.
Academy units with insane miniarts do look scary. Good that most maps have schackles present. Also, money issue is important. Don't forget that to deal big dmg your troops should be large enough. It really is expensive... and risky! Arcanes with base initiative 11 are the biggest HnR prejudice, imo. Centaurs?! Obviously only Haggash has a fair chance...
All in all, when analysing concept do it within a statistically average model. Of course, its always possible to invent situations that are beyond countering but, as usually, they are a natural exception to any theory.
Quote:
ps. Still haven't decide if you gonna use puppy's "tactics" in Caesars, haven't you. Guess that depands weather you can win without it. Answering here will only let your opponent use same "tactics" aginst you first. Only assuming, of course
I answered this a couple of posts ago starting with "about HnR"...
I honored your very long post with answer but next time keep it short. It's almost impossible to reply to all your comments.
|
|
perathekojot
Known Hero
|
|
posted August 20, 2008 12:34 AM |
|
|
I guess we have very different concept of honour. I believe that she was the dishonourable one (d/c, hnr, trying to trick me into unfair match-up, playing differently after d/c, foul language), and when gloves are off, everything is acceptable. You find her honourable, probably even sharing the same understanding of honour. But, seeing this particular discussion for a hopeless waste of my time, I will say this: Let's leave it to other players to decide who is and who isn't honourable, when they report our future games. I doubt you will past that honourable rating ever, but don't let it get to you, there is one more emperor with same rating. Guess who? So, to say it politely, you are not the person whose understanding of honour will I ever accept or understand.
As for "suicide pattern for sylvan" in that concrete situation, you couldn't be more wrong. Maybe you should pay attention to other people posts, not just think of writing snappy come-backs. I know that spreading wisdom throw out the forum, is hard work, but, please, do pay attention. Puppy already said that she had ring of speed and dragon eye ring, so with that exact combination: arcanes had highest initiative, following with 5 stacks of pixies and green dragons. So, it was quite easy to hit and run without any damage suffered.
Treasury zone was explored with the expect of one object guarded with lvl6, and only for a reason of next week dark point usage.
So let me quote my question from previous post: "But I will write it one thing more to answer this:
Also, you absolutely don't need swift mind to counter "physical attack" as mostly units in both armies have relatively little difference in initiatives. Also, don't look at money aspect alone... it's money and substantial risk to attackers army in pair that makes HnR with troops a very probable case of defeat.
There are so many way to exploit hero without swift mind, if some conditions are fulfilled, that writing them down would take days. But let's use mine. Answer this (and if you can't maybe consider not speaking of this subject ever again on this forum):
I had no swift mind, no initative arties. Puppy had arcanes with initiative of 15, 6 dragons, and 5 stack of pixies. How would you o mighty Rule Maker, defend in such situation. Because, "you absolutely don't need swift mind to counter "physical attack" as mostly units in both armies have relatively little difference in initiatives", and considering how trustworthy you are, and trusting you on several more thing, I do believe you. Just I can't find a way. Please, show me the way, o Mighty one. " end quote.
And no, she didn't not use secondaries to check my main for shackles, swift mind or initiative of my troops. I never said she did. I said that it was an easy way to exploit games with your rules on hnr (hnr with units to be allowed). But I am sure you knew that, just in absence of any real argument used yet another "cheap" tactics. If that is not a case then you are really strange case: writing in english flawlessly, but not being able to understand on same level, even worse, not even on average level. Most of the people have reversed problem. Your condition could be sign of something. Better see someone about that.
For the fact that her try wasn't the smartest one I agree. With swift mind I had a fair chance to act first. But she had no other choice. The game was lost to her. As she admitted herself. Otherwise she would have take a whole army or stay behind with 10+ difference in heroes levels.
As for statistically average model, that is all there is to. Averageness. And that imply there are situation beyond average, and quite a few. For there are uneven match-up, that become uneven only if one is using your tactics. It's not would this game should be about. Inventing and countering hnr. I find that insisting on number of turns one must fight before surrendering much better solution. Thus it wont limit the game so much (player will have more freedom in skill selection - not only considering how to repeal hnr), will leave option of not using shackles viable and will remain friendly and honourable spirit of the game intact.
Also, if you would be so kind, to quote your replay about using hnr since I am not sure what exact post are you talking about.
As for my long posts, well I don't see a problem really. It's not like you actually had something to say, which required some mental effort. All you did was: answer questions you choosed to, and even those you used wrong facts, misinterpreter some of my sentences to fit your "answers", add few slanders, some smiles and grins, and there you go: another one of Rule Makers famous replays. Pathetic. I guess there is more where it come from.
|
|
Destro23
Promising
Famous Hero
Keeper of GrongGrong
|
|
posted August 20, 2008 06:44 PM |
|
Edited by Destro23 at 18:46, 20 Aug 2008.
|
Its kinda humorous.. I truly enjoy reading posts by everyone on this sort of a topic. Everyone is right, thats the problem.
When your discussing situations of opinion.. there is no right nor wrong, just different perspectives and points of view. If rules are made prior to game, they need to be followed. If you don't know your opponent I would clarify what those rules mean.
In my experience I found that the best way to deal with players you deem to be "unfair" or "dishonorable" is a choice....
Choice #1 : Limit your play time, by refusing a game with said individual if the game is offered to you.
Choice #2: After reading about a player here, or from other players experience... just play accordingly.
I remember back in H3, I was voted MVP , highest honor every season VERY quickly. why? well its simple.. I play the field not the game. Back then if I had a game vs Jinxer, or JB239, or Yawacko, or Pandora to name a few well... I don't hit n run, If I am playing vs Salamander, Mocara, Frank, Flamingo, Antal ect ect... Hell yes I will hit and run the S**T outta those guys. If they get me with the same tactics I was planning on using vs them... who cares? I'd also like to mention I reported maybe .. 2 maybe 3 players in HUNDREDS of online battles as dishonorable.
Believe it or not, knowing the sort of tactics which are acceptable and not acceptable before the game can make it much more enjoyable to play. Even if you think H'n'R is the cheapest tactic out there who cares... if its agreed that its a no holds barred game.. hell yes I am gonna send 6 Mentored Armageddon bombs to my opponent, why not?
The biggest problem which has plagued players for years of Homm addiction is very simple. Theres 3-4 different games wrapped up into heroes, some people like one of those games, some like another, some like every aspect.
Heroes 5 is not a build the biggest baddest army and hero.. meet in the middle and duke it out for one last final stand game. This is just one method which the game can be played. I enjoy it, you enjoy it GREAT! lets agree to play like that!
But if you enjoy something other than above mentioned game. Like guerilla scout wars, and ongoing struggle and not giving up and using any tactic at your disposal... lets agree on playing like that! And both enjoy!
This completely eliminates any concept of negative honor, or dishonorable play. Its just a matter of exploring what is and is not acceptable prior to the game. And believe it or not.. many new players out there won't really know what the "TOH Norm" is before they get some experience. Its not that they are dishonorable.. its that they don't "know" what is "acceptable" to the opponent. So.. enlighten them prior to the game, and make sure its understood.
PS : As for me.. use whatever tactics you want on me. But expect the same in return I aim to please!
|
|
samiekl
Supreme Hero
|
|
posted August 20, 2008 07:07 PM |
|
|
|
This is the best post in the whole thread.
|
|
fraudatio
Famous Hero
|
|
posted August 20, 2008 08:24 PM |
|
|
Quote:
This is the best post in the whole thread.
Indeed, lets end it on that note.
|
| |
|
|
