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Vangelis21
Supreme Hero
Manchild
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posted August 24, 2008 11:54 AM |
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Help me out guys!
Guys a situation happened and i need your opinion. so the story is like that... :
i was playing some days ago with a guy the hero tournament (for those who don't know you can't hire a second hero).
we saved because he had to leave and he couldn't continue the save until
today. of course i played a lot of games and today i didn't remember that we were playing the hero tournament. so when we continued today i hired more heroes because i thought mine had died. he understood it and told me a lot of turns later. i accepted it was my mistake but i did't do it on purpose.
should i report a loss? the thing is that i didn't remember it was a hero game.i suggested to restart from the save we started today for everything to be fair. what's the correct thing to do?
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the_teacher
Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
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posted August 24, 2008 01:42 PM |
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reload is by far the best option, but if your opponent feels overconfident he can let u dismiss the bonus army and go on from this point
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Vangelis21
Supreme Hero
Manchild
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posted August 24, 2008 01:48 PM |
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the funny thin is that i am in the middle of the rat race map, all alone, he is nowhere so i can easily get the same exact army by summon creatures spell. of course i shouldn't have more heroes but i bough accidentally the second one week 4 ! so not much creeping to do there. i fully agree with the reload choice
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 24, 2008 01:55 PM |
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Same here, RR benefits a lot from chaining. Should be a pain if you played many turns but fairer that way.
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Vangelis21
Supreme Hero
Manchild
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posted August 24, 2008 05:18 PM |
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i hope at least we agree that when someone is ALONE in the middle chaining is even more difficult than summoning creatures
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0tttt
Tavern Dweller
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posted August 24, 2008 08:03 PM |
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Hey
Hello, i am the guy, who vangelis played with and i have got some things to say , how things really were.
First of all, vangelis is talking crap, sorry for my language. He didnt tell me anything that his main hero died. Moreover, he said , that he hired second heroes to see how big the monsters were. Now in my oppinion , rules are rules . And secondary hero is considered as cheating. This is not my fault that he cant remember his plays. When you continue a game , its your job to remember the game type, rules etc.
And players should prioritize finishing their old games first not take many new games , its your own responsibility to remmeber games and risk when taking amny of them at once. I wouldnt be so arrogant, but the problem is that i am not the only player who is not pleased with the behaviour of vangelis. He is overconfident and shows no honour to new players , he is pushing them when they are having long turns and etc. Even some of the experienced players prefer not to play with him. And now he has come so far , to write into this forum wrong facts about this game. Accept it that you made the mistake, and try not to justify yourself here in the public, while in private you have absolute different attitude.
0tttt
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LightCrusader
Hired Hero
Death before Dishonour
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posted August 24, 2008 08:10 PM |
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Rules of ToH Hero tournament.
* Player begins with starting hero only, you cannot purchase another hero in towns' tavern. If you do, it is considered cheating and you are disqualified. Usually the tavern is disabled on the map (towns and map areas). You cannot flee a battle, surrender or retreat.
* General rules; random hero, random town. Any map including Random can be played in this tournament. You can mutually agree to pick heroes.
* When reporting wins and losses, make sure the subtournament option 'The Hero' is selected to get credit. First round is free challenge. You can play for Clan Points as well.
* Only footman ranked players or higher may participate. The top 8 winners will be matched up against each other for the the Top Finalist Prize.
* It is not necessary to take an opponents' castle to win whomever loses their hero first loses the match.
* Points for Hero: 5 points per win, 1 point per loss
* *It is strongly recommended that you check opponents' hero by visiting tavern to make sure they stay with the same hero, and not have multiple heroes involved.
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Vangelis21
Supreme Hero
Manchild
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posted August 24, 2008 08:27 PM |
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OH MY GOD (as some favourite persons to me would say)! 0ttttt first of all go learn some English! secondly go and read again what i wrote. i was going to continue the game with you from the point we saved the last time (before the purchase of second hero) but now there is no way. You are a new "player" who does whatever he can to take some useless points. Shame on you "man". i have a lot of players who know my honor and also go see the number of my games and my honor in toh. i have no reason or need to apologise to you. The player who will lose from this attitude of yours is you and not me , believe me. i am not going to make further conversations with you because there is no reason. facts are facts and they are speaking the truth.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted August 24, 2008 08:44 PM |
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No need argue for 1 game. I can understand both. If Vangelis have better chance for won its normal his oponent to refuse load from old save. Noting bad in this. So far rules are rules when have argue. So just report Vangelis and dont be mad for 1 game. You will won and loss alot more in future. 
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nevermind
Famous Hero
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posted August 24, 2008 08:51 PM |
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Look guys this is how i see it (notice my openion is on 99.99% different then any other person  )
On general i believe in earning the points you get i try to never report games i didn't actually win by killing opponents and i will offer loads on sucides for example on reasonable amount.
with that said in the current sitution i would agree to continue from a load OR agree to dismiss game BUT
vangelis the person playing you is not me , Once you made the mistake you are left with accepting your opponent's openion - If he thinks you break rules and deserve a loss that is his right and since you infact indeed break rules then you must let him deside the outcome of the match - If he chooses a loss then learn from it and carry on
I wanna stress the most important thing most people forget - This is just a game , It doesn't matter what your record says its more important to have fun from the tournament , If you enjoy getting the best record that don't contradict having losses or even stupid losses , A person who wants a better record need to get good enough to take it over time and not by picking spacific games which are disputable and trying to make them all in your favor.
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fiur
Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
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posted August 24, 2008 09:02 PM |
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Quote:
I wanna stress the most important thing most people forget - This is just a game , It doesn't matter what your record says its more important to have fun from the tournament , If you enjoy getting the best record that don't contradict having losses or even stupid losses , A person who wants a better record need to get good enough to take it over time and not by picking spacific games which are disputable and trying to make them all in your favor.
Could'nt agree more nevermindspy.....!!
if everyone can "stand" behind this words...
well the sad thing will then be... toh forum would be quite empthy 
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted August 24, 2008 09:04 PM |
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Well this actually comes down to a question of ethics..
If this happened in a game between me and Fiur for example.. I would not hesitate to accept Fiurs apology for the mistake and reload from the previous save.. Since I trust Fiur unconditionaly.
However... that decison would be made based on us being friends... even tho the rules are clear here.. that purchasing another hero is grounds for disqualify... so If your opponent is MORE worried about getting a cheap easy win.. then he has the right to enforce the rules. Thats why I try to play only players that I am friends with and that I trust and respect.. Some players only want the easiest cheapest win and move on.. In my eyes tho.. if you cant win WITH integrity.. then the win means nothing.
Bottom line.. Vangelis you are responsible for remmebering rules you were playing ... and / or to ask what rules you were playing when you restarted save. If you forgot and didnt ask that is not your opponents fault.
So to SUM it up... If it was ME.. And I trusted my opponent... I would say.. Lets Reload.. it was honest mistake.. BUT thats not my call.. The decision is totally up to your opponent. He can either decide to take the cheap easy uncontested win since you broke rules... or he can accept your mistake and finish game and beat you outright..
Regardless you broke rules.. So its up to your opponent to decide.
** For the record... I dont know your opponent.. and not trying to judge them... but I would not play anyone that Forced a report in this fashion if it was an honest mistake.
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fraudatio
Famous Hero
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posted August 24, 2008 09:04 PM |
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I havent read thoroughly all the replies, but from the first post:
If anyone cares. If i was Vangelis at this point and i suddenly found out that i made a mistake, broke the rules, and i even had to be notified by my opponent, i would admit it and of course offer to report a loss if it were as severe as this (many rounds to replay). Most honorable opponents would say, hey, np, lets find a solution, I am sure you didnt do it on purose (load, delete hero plus give an agreed sum of money to opponent etc).
Anyway, if not you report loss, move on, and play other people in the future. This is not at all something that should arise a flaming thread.
And, to hire ONE extra hero on RR if you have only one at a late stage of the game, well, that is obviously suspiciuos to your opponent because it doesnt make sense to not remember that it was hero if you only have one hero late stage on RR. If not thats the way you usually play of course.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 24, 2008 10:35 PM |
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Nevermind's attitude is the best way to keep things running and enjoy the tournament for what it is. About 0tttt's comments I can only say that I've played vangelis 20 times and he has always been a good sport. From what I read the situation is as he described and you are painting him in the worst colours just because you dislike him. I am aware that he is not easy to get on with but he's not the only one nor did he create this thread to get away with his mistake.
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phoenixreborn
Promising
Legendary Hero
Unicorn
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posted August 24, 2008 11:17 PM |
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I also speak for Vangelis as an honorable opponent.
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BrennusWhiskey
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
The quickest H4 player
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posted August 24, 2008 11:30 PM |
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My 2 cents:
I just met author of this thread when I start play h5 and I have same opinion about him as Ott...
About situation: there is no reason to discuss...
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Vangelis21
Supreme Hero
Manchild
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posted August 24, 2008 11:46 PM |
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as for brennus whiskey : what can i say about the only "player" on earth that prefers h4 than h5! no comments on some people's IQ...
secondly just to give 0ttt what he deserves, i reported the game as a loss. congratulation 0ttt your points from a game you didnt deserve and you would never win otherwise are in your pocket. hurray oh great emperor 0ttt ....
just a correction, i accidentally reported a win at first but then a loss. just ignore the win i reported 0ttt and take your honorable points!
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 25, 2008 01:05 AM |
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You'd be surprised to learn that H4 has a dedicated fanbase, it's a matter of taste really. Poor taste in my opinion but anyway
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted August 25, 2008 07:22 AM |
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Tried one time to play Vangelis, comments all the time - man you are too slow, please faster, your internet connection too slow, etc 
P.S. My inet 2 mb/s, don't think H5 need more ...
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Vangelis21
Supreme Hero
Manchild
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posted August 25, 2008 08:05 AM |
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1. elvin then we said the same think about h4, you just used your fancy way (hey teach me sometime!)
2. infinitus, first of all almost everyone knows about you... secondly you had 4 disconnects day 1!!!! are you kidding me? also if you dont like comments play new ubi's game , "silence of the noobs"
to sum up this is a thread about a specific situation, now if you think that it is a place to judge me then you are mistaken. thats my family
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