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posted December 05, 2015 12:36 AM |
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posted December 05, 2015 07:35 PM |
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posted December 08, 2015 10:57 AM |
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posted December 08, 2015 11:05 AM |
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They also could retire the masks of the 8 terrorists killed in France, so we could see they are Caucasian and Christians. Then check if the names of the two recent killers in US hasn't been trafficked, then check the origins of the bombs killing weekly people in Iraq' markets, surely they came from Vatican.
Superficial and ridiculous youngsters, this kind of taking lightly is the cause of present and future deaths.
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posted December 08, 2015 12:24 PM |
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While it's true, in modern times, Christian fundamentalism is an individual problem where as Islamic fundamentalism is a sociological/political problem, I think you are reading too much into it. Besides being a funny prank, it can be seen as a constructive way to make people realize that although they affect each other, in the end, when it comes to which one dominates the norms, social change takes over religious text.
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posted December 08, 2015 01:44 PM |
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You became harder to read lately, artu. 
My insight on this is that it assumes the people interrogated are Christians, while they are atheist obviously. Translate = rejects all form of religion. Do the same prank to Elodin and he will debunk you in a second. Show me Chopin music in Beethoven's covers and I will laugh hard.
So of course the people are shocked by any violent quotes which, btw, are being taken out of context for a biased purpose -to provoke a well expected effect. But what people ignore is that people who know by heart the bible are not inclined to violence more than people who read Hamlet for example "all that lives must die", while an enormous percentage of those studying the Koran take it as a life and death manual thus are ready to apply (and do it) ad litteram every harmful commandment from it.
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posted December 08, 2015 03:15 PM |
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Not necessarily, an average person who would call him/herself Christian could easily fall for that as well as someone none-religious. How many Christians do you think know the Old Testament verse by verse? Just look at the majority of them here.
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posted December 08, 2015 03:21 PM |
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I find it funny that some people still actually think that being a christian is about memorizing and following Bible verses.
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posted December 08, 2015 03:42 PM |
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Being christian as a fashion is not being a christian. As like being a musician isn't about scrapping a rough sound on the guitar you bought the day before -even if most people indeed call themselves musicians by doing so. I expect people claiming to be christians to be able to quote and discuss from memory passages from the bible. At first requirement.
Can you become a successful lawyer without knowing the laws? And how you get to know the laws other than reading and understanding the core base of legal knowledge? The fact that your memory retain information is only due to the fact that you hard-studied that information, in order to give it a structural status in your educative process.
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posted December 08, 2015 03:44 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Being christian as a fashion is not being a christian. As like being a musician isn't about scrapping a rough sound on the guitar you bought the day before -even if most people indeed call themselves musicians by doing so. I expect people claiming to be christians to be able to quote and discuss from memory passages from the bible. At first requirement.
Can you become a successful lawyer without knowing the laws? And how you get to know the laws other than reading and understanding the core base of legal knowledge? The fact that your memory retain information is only due to the fact that you hard-studied that information, in order to give it a structural status in your educative process.
Well, I know the Bible probably better than Orthodox priests. The problem was always for Christians to live up to what Christ asked: Love your neighbor as yourself.
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posted December 08, 2015 03:45 PM |
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That's a logical fallacy, you may not have to memorize the Bible to be a Christian but the Bible is certainly not something irrelevant to Christianity, on the contrary. Significant portion of Christians interpret OT to be a major determinant on their religion and it really does include a lot of outdated law and moral code. (So your Hamlet example is not exactly accurate, Sal, and it's a cheap shot to edit it after a response that way, but as I said in the beginning, it's true most fundamentalism in Christian world is on an individual basis today where as Islam's is not.)
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posted December 08, 2015 03:49 PM |
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Without the OT, the NT carries too little weight. What the NT is for is to show Jesus is the Messiah, Christ. For that they also relied heavily on OT.
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posted December 08, 2015 04:09 PM |
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artu said:
That's a logical fallacy, you may not have to memorize the Bible to be a Christian
And your credentials in Christianity teachings are?
Look, we do not have to do anything, just eat, sleep and fornicate (the last is available only for those of us enough lucky).
But being christian is not only a shallow label, is about reading and making own a book of tremendous wisdom than will have impact on every aspect of our life. We know that Jesus himself quoted dozens of times entire parts of the bible, then we know that being simply affiliated to a religion implies teaching its word, knowing its word properly. In order to guard your life and actions according to God's word, you must study his words, the memorization is only a natural action resulting from any well done study.
I am not religious by any way, but I lived in a deeply religious family and I heard enough of their sermons to get a clear idea about the need of precisely and properly knowing what you preach.
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posted December 08, 2015 04:32 PM |
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Sal, most people who are religious are religious because they are culturally born into it. While, they would also accept you have to know your book well, ideally, that's not just how the world is, and the ones who know their book, do not excommunicate the ones who don't. From an intellectual perspective, of course it doesn't make much sense to follow a religion which you didn't even read the verses of but religion is not strictly like philosophy, it's also a social identity/family tradition that passes on through simply accepting it and declaring you are from X religion.
The prank is not about busting people who claim to be perfect readers of the book but rather about emphasizing that both books include passages that will appear vicious to an ordinary modern eye. So, although, there are many differences in both religions theology that I don't find in favor of Islam either, it is indeed deficient to explain what's happening around us all by ancient text. I did analyze Islamic violence in the OSM if you remember, without any need to exonerate the book (just like I don't feel the need to exonerate the OT when it comes to the related verses) but it's really not the main issue. So the prank is on spot.
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posted December 08, 2015 04:41 PM |
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In general pranks are made to provoke a certain reaction. There was this silver vs chocolate prank (which fits well to the thread btw) where obtaining an irrational reaction is clearly due to psychological and physical manipulations -multiple vs singular etc.
So I am saying, that, considering the chaos Islam terrorist acts produced, lately and less lately, it is quite shallow and superficial to even try to compare it to the Christianity, which changed and reformed as the world changed itself.
I don't think such pranks, in the today context, are funny or relevant.
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posted December 08, 2015 04:53 PM |
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But the differences you mention about reform are mostly based on a chain of historical/political events rather than the texts themselves (although, they are not totally irrelevant, of course), so, it is not a negative attitude to point out Muslim world can have some kind of reform, at least in theory, by displaying that Christians, no matter what wrote in the OT, did. The alternative approach would be to claim as long as there are such verses in Quran, every Muslim will ever be a jihadist, which is simply not true and not something you'd want to fuel forward as an opinion either.
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posted December 09, 2015 05:15 PM |
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posted December 09, 2015 07:07 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Being a musician isn't about scrapping a rough sound on the guitar you bought the day before -even if most people indeed call themselves musicians by doing so.
And you teach in an art school? You must be popular there.
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posted December 09, 2015 07:13 PM |
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