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Lesij
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posted November 01, 2008 01:36 PM |
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That looks much better as ice...
But- is there a possibility to get rid of thos clody-droplike effects around the water snad and adding him for example the spikes from Magma Dragon?
Recoloured in the blue-whit it would like as an True Ice Elementa IMHO 
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DarkCrystal
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posted November 01, 2008 01:45 PM |
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@Lesij: Well, you dont like this ice cloud effect, am I right?
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DarkCrystal
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posted November 01, 2008 04:04 PM |
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Hi all!
I need to know is it balansed or not?
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SimonaK
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posted November 01, 2008 04:09 PM |
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Quote:
Hi all!
I need to know is it balansed or not?
Relax!
It takes time to know that.
You didn't take a lapstime to test it your-self before releasing?
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DarkCrystal
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posted November 01, 2008 04:14 PM |
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You didn't take a lapstime to test it your-self before releasing?
 Unfortunately I have not got any satisfactory skill in balansing. So I need your meanings.
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Lesij
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posted November 01, 2008 04:16 PM |
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I didn't say I don't like...
I just said it would look way better for me
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SimonaK
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posted November 01, 2008 04:17 PM |
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Edited by SimonaK at 16:17, 01 Nov 2008.
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Unfortunately I have not got any satisfactory skill in balansing. So I need your meanings.
then first,
to test it requires a game match...or..a special map test for.
in your master thread, we cannot see elemental original stats...so
to compare is harder.
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DarkCrystal
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posted November 01, 2008 04:24 PM |
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All right, I can post stats of original elementals.
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SimonaK
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posted November 01, 2008 04:30 PM |
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All right, I can post stats of original elementals.
yes! you can!
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Fauch
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posted November 01, 2008 04:40 PM |
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Edited by Fauch at 16:43, 01 Nov 2008.
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looking only at the stats, they look all overpowered to me (at least compared to official elementals)
the earth elementals upgrades are too fast for such a tough creatures
searing aura + avenging flames seems very strong (avenging flames deals 70 damages per creatures (3 in my upgrade mod))
the air elemental upgrades aren't only fast, but they seem tough with incorporeal.
water elemental upgrades seem tough too.
the energy elemental seems as strong as a level 5 shooter
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DarkCrystal
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posted November 01, 2008 04:44 PM |
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@Fauch: So what do you suggest?
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SimonaK
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posted November 01, 2008 04:54 PM |
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Hey Fauch,
Finally we have all elemental upgrades!!!
 It's the party!!! 
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Fauch
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posted November 01, 2008 05:11 PM |
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yeah, we have 4 upgrades for the earth and fire elementals and 6 for the water and air elementals
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alcibiades
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posted November 01, 2008 05:20 PM |
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Ok here's some feedback on the stats:
Earth Elementals: I understand this is the offensive upgrade of the Earth Elemental. As Earth Elemental has A/D 8/11, I would give this one at least 11/11 instead of 10/10. Initiative 9 (from 5!) is a massive boost! I'd give original Earth Elemental Initiative 6 (change it), Onyx Elemental Initiative 7 and Magma Elemental Initiative 8. Onyx as the defensive upgrade should have higher Defence (A/D 8/14) and be slower (speed 5). HP could be a bit higher to compensate for the lower Initiative (85 vs. 100 would be my picks). And I'd probably swap their damage ranges to give the offensive version the highest damage potential. Btw. did you consider giving the Onyx Elemental the Enchanted Armor ability?
Earth Magma Onyx
Attack 8 11 8
Defence 11 11 14
Damage 10-14 14-20 12-18
Initative 6 8 7
Speed 5 6 5
HP 75 85 100
Fire Elementals: Here I see the Energy Elemental being the offensive upgrade (Lightning Breath) while Plasma is defensive (Fire Shield, Siering Aura). I would like to see this reflected more in the stats. Again you have a massive jump in Initiative for the offensive version, while both versions have decreased max damage? The original Fire Elemental is a creature of extremes (very high attack and damage, very low defence) and I think the stats of the upgrades should more or less stick to this pattern. Here's a tweaked suggestion:
Fire Energy Plasma
Attack 10 15 10
Defence 5 5 10
Damage 11-20 11-22 13-17
Initative 8 10 9
Speed 6 6 6
HP 43 43 50
Shots 50 50 50
Water Elementals: Here I would identify the Mist Elemental as the defensive choice (Incorporeal) but I see you have given that version the more offensive stats? Well I guess that makes sense with the reduced spell capacity, but then I would not give it as much mana as you do. The Ice Elemental, as the more passive caster, I would give more even stats and then I'd set mana to 21 which allows for casting: Deep Freeze + Frost Ring, Frost Ring + Frost Ring, Deep Freeze + Ice Bolt, Frost Ring + Ice Bolt + Ice Bolt or Ice Bolt + Ice Bolt + Ice Bolt.
Water Ice Mist
Attack 8 10 14
Defence 8 10 8
Damage 8-12 8-12 12-16
Initative 10 10 10
Speed 5 5 5
HP 43 55 43
Mana 12 21 12
Spells Ice Bolt Ice Bolt Ice Bolt
Frost Ring Frost Ring
Deep Freeze
Air Elementals: I think your stats here are pretty good, except you give the Gas Elemental to high Damage compared to Earth Elemental. Notice that the tripple Lightning Bolt will be pretty devastating on an Initiative 17 creature.  I'd probably set mana to 10 only. I'd give Gas Elemental Earth Immunity also.
Air Storm Gas
Attack 8 10 11
Defence 6 9 8
Damage 5-7 6-8 7-9
Initative 17 17 18
Speed 8 8 8
HP 25 35 30
Mana 0 10 0
Spells Lightning Bolt
Final note: Thanx for uploading the pictures of the families. They look great - but could the Ice Elemental become even whiter, so it's more white than the Water Elemental?
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DarkCrystal
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posted November 01, 2008 06:39 PM |
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Thank you for this man!!!
Aaaaand ICE ELEMENTAL!
(This is a perfect texture I think)
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SimonaK
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posted November 01, 2008 06:41 PM |
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Edited by SimonaK at 18:45, 01 Nov 2008.
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Fauch:
yeah, we have 4 upgrades for the earth and fire elementals and 6 for the water and air elementals
Explain please.
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Lesij
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posted November 01, 2008 07:02 PM |
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Now that looks awsome O.o
But still- the splash efect doesn't appeal to me ;P
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TSoD
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posted November 01, 2008 07:06 PM |
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I LOVE IT !
DONT CHANGE ANYTHING !
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Asheera
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posted November 01, 2008 07:07 PM |
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I agree, it looks great.
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DarkCrystal
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posted November 01, 2008 07:17 PM |
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@Lesij: Sorry, but I think it will be too difficult for me to make ice spikes . If effect dont suit you remove it.
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