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posted December 01, 2008 10:54 PM |
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4. Ninja can kill chuck norris, and did in the war of 1812. they just want us to have some thing to mindlessly worship
I thought Chuck Norris was the Ninja God? 
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With all due respect, I hope you never become President. Price controls? Stopping outsourcing? Universal health care? No. Though all the other things sound quite reasonable.
Gah, most of what she said was good.
If you want to know what I'd do, play Nation States and check my nation
ps: can I outlaw elections as the president of the US? 
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posted December 01, 2008 10:55 PM |
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ps: can I outlaw elections as the president of the US?
"Elections? What for? The people have already chosen"
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posted December 01, 2008 11:05 PM |
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"Elections? What for? The people have already chosen"
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Extremely WIN.
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posted December 01, 2008 11:35 PM |
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Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the President
Actually, this is a serious thread. Imagine that the US President, Vice President, Speaker of the House, and President pro Tempore suddenly disappear without a trace. For whatever reason, the US decides to appoint you as President for a four-year term. Congress then sends you a message that says that it will pass any bill that you will submit to it.
You are sworn into office. How do you go about picking a Cabinet? How about dealing with the economic crisis? The War in Iraq? Other issues? In short, what do you do?
And no, you can't resign.
I order a great march into the sea and those smart enough not to do so will become my cabinet.
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posted December 02, 2008 03:59 AM |
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Bak, everything you said is 100% wrong. But why you're wrong is an OSM discussion - moreover, it's not one I want to have while TheDeath is in earshot.
Suffice to say that I run Mvassland that way, and it works well.
And why would there be black and Hispanic rebel movements? Just because I'd start deporting illegal immigrants (while making it easier for some people to come), and abolish affirmative action, doesn't mean that they'd all start trying to overthrow me.
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posted December 02, 2008 10:44 AM |
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Suffice to say that I run Mvassland that way, and it works well.
My Vatican works well too. And its currency is a little boy.  Let's just say that Bush probably got the idea that he'd be a great president while playing video games too.
But alright, we won't dwell there. I'd just vote for Obama. ^^
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Just because I'd start deporting illegal immigrants (while making it easier for some people to come), and abolish affirmative action, doesn't mean that they'd all start trying to overthrow me.
I would, and I'm not even black
Not all of them. However those of them who couldn't find any jobs even with affirmative action are not going to understand your lovely vision of a corporate future, so they'll express their feelings. Crime percentage will rise, and there'll probably be rebel movements. Especially if there's no sign of universal healthcare or similar to make up for it. Cause they won't be able to pay for any kind of doctors for their children. And especially if you abolish that financial help for families with low income.
There are poor legal immigrants too. You can't just banish all poor non-white people.
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posted December 02, 2008 02:32 PM |
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Your suggestion that the abolition of affirmative action would result in rebel movements is ridiculous. Affirmative action didn't get rid of any rebel movements, so getting rid of it wouldn't start any.
Plus, who said that there wouldn't be any government intervention in the medical field?
And I'm only going to banish illegals.
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posted December 02, 2008 07:42 PM |
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See, Mvass, the entire point is that you'd want your country to be better toward corporations instead of for the ordinary people. You're putting rich people in front of everyone else. Do you really think that's what America needs? What anybody needs?
The first thing you mentioned is the strengthening of the corporate hold over the workers. And then you laughed at the idea of universal healthcare. How exactly would your government intervene about 47 million people without healthcare, then? Or the 35 million Americans living below the poverty line? Would concentrating on helping those poor, poor corporations really help those people? Sure, they could work in newly created, domestic corporate sweatshops as semi-slave labour, while their children voluntarily exchange the TV for 2 grams of heroin. But is that really a better thing?
That's like communists screwing up their own people for the sake of communism, whose point is to protect those very people. They also said it was for everybody's good. "Hey, it's gonna work out perfectly, as long as you follow the rules and ignore all those starving people. They're starving cause they're too lazy to work, and don't want to join our vision of a better future. And yes, your child wanted to buy that sack of cocaine, so there's nothing we can do about it."
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posted December 02, 2008 10:37 PM |
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Corporations vs. people? This is mostly a false dichotomy. If you help the corporations by hurting the people, really you're hurting everybody in the long run. On the other hand, if you tax the **** out of corporations and redistribute their money to the people, you're really hurting both of them too.
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The first thing you mentioned is the strengthening of the corporate hold over the workers.
What? I'm increasing the power of the workers by increasing their ability to make contracts!
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How exactly would your government intervene about 47 million people without healthcare, then?
By "universal health care" I meant "socialized medicine with a single-payer system". Of course I'm going to have the government pay for some percentage of people's health care costs. But not 100%.
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Would concentrating on helping those poor, poor corporations really help those people?
Yes, although I'm not concentrating on "poor, poor corporations". In fact, I want to end all of the corporate bailouts and completely eliminate corporate welfare.
But a generally freer market helps everybody. I can say that unequivocally. A rising tide lifts all boats. They would benefit greatly. First, unemployment would drop, thus, less people would be on welfare, which means that I could cut taxes and let people keep more of their own money. Second, it would reduce the price of goods. Guess who benefits the most from that? The poor! When you have a loaf of bread for $1, and it drops to $0.75, whom would it benefit more - a rich guy or a poor guy? Third, because goods are cheaper, then people would have more money left over to spend elsewhere. This would create additional jobs.
I know I'd rather make $1 an hour and have everything be 10 times cheaper than to work at $8 an hour and have prices the way they are now.
As for heroin, children wouldn't be allowed to buy it, of course. But adults would be able to buy marijuana.
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posted December 02, 2008 11:55 PM |
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What? I'm increasing the power of the workers by increasing their ability to make contracts!
You're increasing the power of the workers by allowing corporations to blackmail them by reducing their wages since "there are people who are going to do that job cheaper".
The only way your system would function are extremely strong workers' unions and syndicates which would keep the overall standard and organize mass refusals of work beneath a decent wage. Which is basically avoided and made much easier if you just don't abolish the minimum wage.
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Shyte you almost got me there didn't you?
I'm out of here before it evolves into a quote war. YOU'RE NOT SPREADING YOUR VILE TENTACLES OUTSIDE THE OSM, MONITOR SPIRIT!
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posted December 03, 2008 05:55 AM |
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You're increasing the power of the workers by allowing corporations to blackmail them by reducing their wages since "there are people who are going to do that job cheaper".
Blackmail? How about the poor unemployed that aren't able to get jobs now? And these people's wages are therefore artificially inflated.
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The only way your system would function are extremely strong workers' unions and syndicates which would keep the overall standard and organize mass refusals of work beneath a decent wage.
Unions are evil and strangle the companies and themselves. Just look at the American car manufacturers.
And no wonder this thread has OSM-style quote wars. It was supposed to be a serious OSM thread, until someone moved it.
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posted December 03, 2008 11:04 AM |
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Unions are evil
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Yeah, those goddamn workers with their "first amendment", "free speech" and "fighting for their rights"... What do they know what's better for them? I bet they wouldn't even understand why lowering their wages by 50% would be better for them in the long run. 
No, MVass, corporations are evil. Just look at weapons and tobacco manufacturers.
Now it's your word against mine.
Seriously now, I'm not going to argue about this any further. Stop dragging me into this, dude
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It was supposed to be a serious OSM thread
...named "The president has been kidnapped by ninjas"?
Epic win.
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posted December 03, 2008 11:24 PM |
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Yeah, those goddamn workers with their "first amendment", "free speech" and "fighting for their rights"... What do they know what's better for them? I bet they wouldn't even understand why lowering their wages by 50% would be better for them in the long run.
They have the right to free association. I will not deny them that. But they have to realize that they're hurting themselves much more than they're helping themselves. They're asking for more and more benefits and are making their own companies go under. Who's going to pay them after they strangle their own companies to death?
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No, MVass, corporations are evil. Just look at weapons and tobacco manufacturers.
Weapons and tobacco manufacturers =/= all corporations.
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...named "The president has been kidnapped by ninjas"?
Yes. I was trying to get some participation beyond that of myself and TheDeath. But apparently that was not to be.
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posted December 03, 2008 11:33 PM |
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Yes. I was trying to get some participation beyond that of myself and TheDeath. But apparently that was not to be.
huh?
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posted December 04, 2008 08:18 AM |
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posted December 05, 2008 11:57 AM |
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They have the right to free association. I will not deny them that. But they have to realize that they're hurting themselves much more than they're helping themselves. They're asking for more and more benefits and are making their own companies go under. Who's going to pay them after they strangle their own companies to death?
By that logic, everyone in the renaissance period should be classified as evil, and were actually hurting themselves, since they made the Church and the feudal warlords have less power so they made it harder for the nobility and Church officials to "protect" them... 
See, corporations won't starve and implode if they share progressively more of their wealth with the workers which are at its core. That's the entire point. A hundred years ago, too, when capitalism was just starting to spread and when people worked for a bread per day, people fought for their rights - and I don't see major industrialists suffering too much because of it. I just see people living better than they did back then, in the industrial era.
I'm not saying corporations should give everything away and go bankrupt, I'm saying that they should rationally give more and more to their workers as long as it's possible - and it's possible - since that's their purpose. By abolition of minimum wage, you reverse the process - people get less wages and you revert to the above-mentioned feudalism.
DAMNIT
Alright, alright, I'm stopping now. Definitely.
No more me in this thread.
Lalala.
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posted December 05, 2008 12:02 PM |
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posted December 05, 2008 03:28 PM |
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By that logic, everyone in the renaissance period should be classified as evil, and were actually hurting themselves, since they made the Church and the feudal warlords have less power so they made it harder for the nobility and Church officials to "protect" them...
Except the ones that were weakening the church and the feudal warlords weren't the ones dependent on them for their daily sustenance.
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See, corporations won't starve and implode if they share progressively more of their wealth with the workers which are at its core.
See: GM, Chrysler, Ford vs. Honda and Toyota.
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posted December 06, 2008 11:06 AM |
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Except the ones that were weakening the church and the feudal warlords weren't the ones dependent on them for their daily sustenance.
Weren't they?
Oh trust me MVass, when you're living in cow dung, the only thing left for you is to hope that you'll at least get out of that in the afterlife, which the Church promoted can be reached only through, well, the Church. Just like today's corporations claim that a good life can be reached only through them. People just can't (and couldn't) see any other solution. So they were dependent on the Church and the nobles (which were seen as having divine rights) for hundreds of years, until they came up with something better. Maybe we'll do so too, in a few hundreds of years and a new renaissance.
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See: GM, Chrysler, Ford vs. Honda and Toyota.
You can't blame the workers if a corporation is managed badly, can you? Just like you're constantly saying that corporations can't be blamed if a worker starves.
It's a two way street. 
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