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posted January 19, 2009 06:44 PM |
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posted January 19, 2009 06:47 PM |
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Dammit, I hate it when thirteen year olds start to claim that they know it all.
I am sure you do. Luckily no 13 year old has claimed to know it all yet.
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antipaladin
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posted January 19, 2009 06:54 PM |
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you do realise shaolin xeroex,that acording to it,you also must not interfear with balance,you are to protect yourself,but became pacifict and take No stand,nutural in any conflict.
i cannot say your nutural here. oh and he did say he knows it.. unfoutnylu dark shadow your just as mature.
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posted January 19, 2009 07:00 PM |
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Dammit, I hate it when thirteen year olds start to claim that they know it all.
I just don't like xerox. it doesn't matter who or what he is.
And again... Minion and xerox missed the point of DS' statement 
Talk about the war please...
Xerox: I don't believe anyone who plays a game centered around combat as intensive as you, can be a pacifist.
Also, I think some of you are quite childsh. Dead people are dead people!
Who in the name of *insert your deity here* cares about numbers?
It's a fight about homes, about civilians about who's right.
Then what does the ratio of palestinion mortality/ Israel mortality matter?
If someone kills your closest family, are you only allowed to kill their closest family and no more, death? (ideally, there is no killing, but you yourself said that 13 deaths versus a thousand is unfair, so I ask you what that matters) Where's the 'an-eye-for-an-eye-leaves-everyone-blind'-thing?
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posted January 19, 2009 07:12 PM |
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My country had a have total peace for like 200 years.
You forgot the camping that certain nations did in your country during World War 2 Was it 1907 or was it early there ALMOST broke out war? Blah
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A buddhist would not harm another being. In your scenario, a true buddhist would attempt to deter his attacker through words, not force. After all, violence achieves little. Right?
I think its better to wound somebody then get in an ambulance, then that somebody gets killed. As stated, words failed and the only action left to be used is to run or die or use violence. Since its a gun we are talking about we can assume running is no good.
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You may call me sick! Stupid and everything like that, but her is what me and allmost everyone i know thinks about it.
Muslims only wish in life is to blow everything up (Suicide bombers), and as long as theire fight stays in thoose to countries, i don't care.
they can kill each other if they like, and that is maybe the best. I still remember sep 11th (As everyone does), and serioulsy? Muslims/Taliban or what ever they are called is brainless, sick and doesn't think about what they are doing. The muhammed drawing from denmark whasnt anything to be pissed over. It's a drawing! How harmfull can a drawing be?
Woops i shouldn't have said that, but that is the fact!
(Sorry for bad english) I'm 18, but not good at writting english..
I'm 16............. And i can say what your saying is beyond pointless. With people going like this, why the heck not side with the palestines?
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posted January 19, 2009 07:17 PM |
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I think its better to wound somebody then get in an ambulance, then that somebody gets killed. As stated, words failed and the only action left to be used is to run or die or use violence. Since its a gun we are talking about we can assume running is no good.
I think the point of omega was that fighting back isn't Buddhist or Pacifist. A buddhist warrior is someone who can knock you flat on the ground without touching you... Or I thought so 
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angelito
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posted January 19, 2009 07:18 PM |
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I see red stars raining down on this thread...and they are no bonus....
Change mood and tone to proove me wrong...
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Geny
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posted January 19, 2009 07:28 PM |
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@Shao'Lin Xerox
If someone would shoot you, you would only wound them and then call an ambulance? Well, in that case welcome to the Israeli side because that's exactly what we're trying to do. We don't nuke the whole Gaza strip just because HAMAS is firing rockets from it. We make precise, small radius attacks to 'injure' HAMAS. Of course, just like with shooting someone in the leg, our attacks hurt (i.e. kill civilians) even though that's not Israel's purpose. As for the ambulance, we are allowing the entrance of as much humanitarian help as possible, both international and our own.
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posted January 19, 2009 07:36 PM |
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@Shao'Lin Xerox
If someone would shoot you, you would only wound them and then call an ambulance? Well, in that case welcome to the Israeli side because that's exactly what we're trying to do. We don't nuke the whole Gaza strip just because HAMAS is firing rockets from it. We make precise, small radius attacks to 'injure' HAMAS. Of course, just like with shooting someone in the leg, our attacks hurt (i.e. kill civilians) even though that's not Israel's purpose. As for the ambulance, we are allowing the entrance of as much humanitarian help as possible, both international and our own.
Your having a war and killing dozens of civilians. And you are on their territory bombing.
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted January 19, 2009 08:04 PM |
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If you can't handle the consequences of your actions, then you shouldn't go through with them. Simple as that.
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Geny
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posted January 19, 2009 08:26 PM |
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@diablo
Was that supposed to disprove my point in some way? Because I fail to see how. I explicitly said that we are hurting civilians and bombing the area, I just said that we're trying to reduce the casualties to minimum, while still acquiring our objectives and protecting our own soldiers.
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posted January 19, 2009 08:47 PM |
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I just said that we're trying to reduce the casualties to minimum, while still acquiring our objectives and protecting our own soldiers.
Casualties to minimum would mean to wait more and possibly make more plans beforehand (also discuss it with the UN, etc.), not jumping into bombing just like that, cause you can't stand a few more rocket fire? I can understand that it is not good, but it is completely DWARFED by 1300 deaths don't you think?
Question: if there were Israeli citizens or soldiers in that school, would they still bomb it? That is the question.
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antipaladin
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posted January 19, 2009 08:54 PM |
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let me ask you this,if israel did talk about any attack with un officales would you garantee no leacks?
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Geny
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posted January 19, 2009 08:57 PM |
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Wait more?
You mean another 8 years?
Plan more?
You're saying this because you know exactly how long we planned it don't you?
Discuss with the UN?
And lose the element of surprise which is, as you know, half the battle?
A few rockets?
Sounds real interesting coming from someone who never heard a rocket alarm in his life.
Answer: there wouldn't be any Israeli citizens, because they wouldn't be near a place where HAMAS launches missiles or shoots mortars.
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posted January 19, 2009 09:00 PM |
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Plan more?
You're saying this because you know exactly how long we planned it don't you?
No, I meant a plan as in, not doing everything by yourselves. Not "attack" kind of plan
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Discuss with the UN?
And lose the element of surprise which is, as you know, half the battle?
Therefore, priority number #1 was NOT to have fewest casualties.
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A few rockets?
Sounds real interesting coming from someone who never heard a rocket alarm in his life.
I'm sure I am not qualified to speak on that, but probably you should whine about your rocket fire to all those palestinian families  (must I remind, 100 times more than you are "used to" there)
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Answer: there wouldn't be any Israeli citizens, because they wouldn't be near a place where HAMAS launches missiles or shoots mortars.
But what if they were, let's say, taken hostage?
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posted January 19, 2009 09:03 PM |
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Look what you made me do!
Ugh, I really HATE making lost posts, especially if it mean interfering in other people's Quote Wars, but you leave me with few likely alternatives.
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Why would someone love their country? It's an abstract concept. A country has never done anything for anybody. Only people in that country have
I am not a patriot myself, but I can understand the idea of patriotism. "Love" for a country gives a certain goal, something to fight for. It's something that defines a people, and unites a group of individuals, and gives them something to fight for. You can say one thing about Countries: If war Ravages it, all of it's residents are in (potentially) deep trouble. The psychologic effect of it should not be underestimated.
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War, is it needed?
Hard question to answer. On one side you can say it's not needed, and people can simply reach consencus without behaving like arrogant brutes who think their penisses are as big as the Eifel Tower (okay enough innuendoes here). However, you can simply cannot expect people to get along just as it is (if it was the case, we wouldn't überhapt need the OSM at all!). War is the easy way out, and the Human kind is always inclined to follow the easiest route, rather than the Humane, but difficult one. The fact that be despise, hate or at least, dislike our opponent, doesn't help at all.
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Yes we all know you are better people than Palestinians, they are just numbers on the graveyard. Your side lost 13 individuals.
That's complete and utter nonsence
Your oppinion is as biased as the oppinions of certain other members, who DO have a share in this conflict.
I do not think the Israeli's think they are superior to the Palestines. if they thought so, they would have chaces them away a long time ago, I'm pretty sure of that.
and you seem to forget that the Provocation to this attack came from HAMAS, and not from Israel. You can say as much as you want, but you cannot label the War as Unjustified without seeming Ignorant, pompous of biased. I certainly don't support the war, nor do I like the State of Israel, but I can understand it's reaction (as I understand Hamas's attack btw), and I expect you to act as the adult you are and strive to solve this in a MATURE way (if which way you can ofc), instead of arguing with people who don't have any ties with the Israeli Govenment, but support it (what else can they do? Sit back in a corner as their country is destroyed? Would you tolerate that if it was your country?)
Ignorance, and Bias are too big mistakes to make here. You (as well as others) need to understand the how and why. You need to. If not, your hate will grow, and your judgemen,t about this situation will remain partially clouded, subjective and biased.
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Your victim act isn't convincing, sorry. You have been forgiven a lot because of that, but there is only so much that it can cover. Killing civilians in the THOUSANDS is not one of them
I hate to say this, but these are casualities of War. It's normal for these death to occur. You cannot make an omelet, without breaking any eggs. During WW2, the British mercilessly Bombarded the German City of Dresden to the ground, killing Thousants on innocent Women, Elders and Children without remorse. And we have the Bombardemnt on London. And Antwerp. And Ypres. And Hamburg. and Stalingrad. and Hiroshima. And Pearl Harbour. It's unfair, yes, I will never deny that, but it IS and remain it's a war, so deal with it. That's how the wicked device called War works. There is nothing you can do for them now, or the future. Instead, I advise you to act instead of post here and criticize... If you really want something to happen.
Sorry I put it here so harshly, but if there's something I simply cannot stand is bias, especially coming from an adult. (from Xerox, I can understand. But a 20-year old? No.)
@ Xerox: I can accept a lot from young ones, but next time before you enter a conversation like this, try put aside your emotions and try to be rational and open-minded. I know it's difficult, but trying doesn't hurt.
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Israel... the most selfish country in the world.
Explain. I cannot see how Israel is more Selfish than the USA, China or the UK.
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They only think about themself and most of their own people act like retards.
You are a great Faction maker, but you are a horrible diplomat. Israeli's act according to what they seem as normal, and eventhough you sometimes cannot explain their baffling and over-the-top behaviour (which I will not deny), it doesn't nessecairiy mean they are retards.
You see: Israel sees Judea as theirs, but so does Hamas. Conflict is imminent, it was only a question of who would strike the first blow. Secondly, I've experienced the Israeli as a Proud, Territorial, no-nonsence Folk, and their accions are certainly defined as a "tribe" with such traits. Attack them, and they'll attack you. Occupy their land, and they will occupy yours, after claiming their own. They will probably never concede. Finally, if you wnat to blaim Israel for their share in the War, blame the Government. It was their decision to invade Gaza, and if you wish to point a finger at Israel, do so with them, and not with Anti or Geny.
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I dont care about "zomg they use human meat shield!!!!1111" - Israel is the badder side in this conflict.
And what about Hamas, who build their building DELIBERATELY into civilian territory, Forcing Israel to kill innocent civilians if they attempt to attack Hamas. This is to make Israel look like the bad guys, and Hamas like the victims, and, judging your reaction, I say it kinda worked.
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Israel has killed more children then Hamas (lol why are they could Hamas? sounds like something from McDonalds, mmm... McHamas).
They bomb schools too.
Because the Hamas leaders they want to take out, reside in there. And no, Israel does NOT enjoy killing Children, I can GUARANTEE that.
Let's try a different approach. Say Gotland's population is for 40% Swedish and 60% Danish, and was taken from Denmark some years ago. (making up the numbers here, but you have enough imagination to imagine it, i hope). Now, Denmark sends missiles flying at Gotland to chase off the Swedish colonist in there. You nephew gets injured and is disable for life. Your Niece dies.
Can you honestly say, without lying, that you DO NOT want to attack Denmark?
Can you?
That you do not want to make them suffer as much as they made you suffer?
Wouldn't you?
If you still cannot do so, kudos, since then you are able to do things Israel can't (but you still don't understand). if you do, you have finally understood why Isreal acts like this, and how little the Swedes/Danes/whatever actually differ from these so-called retards.
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My country had a have total peace for like 200 years.
You cannot expect Isreal not to have any wars, just because Sweden doesn' thave them. You do NOT have religion conflict with any of your neighbours, you do not have half-of-the-muslim-world against you, let alone that that world is practically on your doorstep. No, you cannot compare it. It's like Comparing "the Chinese Revolution of Mao Tze-Dong" to "The Militairy history of Switserland"
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There are other ways without killing civilans.
Enlighten me.
There is one other way. Do NOT instigate a War, and negociate, negociate, untill a consencus is reached.
However, no this conflict Hamas will not stop untill Israel is destroyed of defeated, and neither will Israel.
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Was that supposed to disprove my point in some way? Because I fail to see how. I explicitly said that we are hurting civilians and bombing the area, I just said that we're trying to reduce the casualties to minimum, while still acquiring our objectives and protecting our own soldiers.
Yes, but then you still have the HUGE difference between the Palestin and Israeli death rate, which is, truth to say, remarkable.
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Question: if there were Israeli citizens or soldiers in that school, would they still bomb it? That is the question.
Lol, I do not think Isreal will allow their own soldiers to enter Palestine schools, just before they launce their rockets. No way, unless they sadistically want to bomb they own schools, that is.
But no, Geny said "Keep causalities at a Minimum", so that INCLUDES ALL ISRAELIS, whether Civilians or Soldiers.
The purpose is to locate, and preferably kill Hamas leaders. The difficulty is to spot them. Iven with heat sencors, it's difficult to separate Woman from Man, Civilian from Militant, Innocent from Guilty. Bombing schools definately is a risk, since it will almost always result in innocent deaths.
You'll be asking yourself, why schools? Well, just like with Hamas Istalling HQs in Resudential areas, so they take shelt in crowded places, like schools or refugee camps, hoping that, if Israel attacks an takes them out, they will take some innocents (preferably children) with them, making Israel look like even more bloodthristy savages, which they aren't. (In case you were wondering.)
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Godalmighty, it's Enormous. And I haven't enve said half of what I've been planning to say. :S Please, don't EVER make me do something like that again, I beg you. 
Oh, and, Like Geny likes to say:
Peace out 
Have nice day, and please don't penalise me Angelito :S
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Geny
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posted January 19, 2009 09:04 PM |
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Therefore, priority number #1 was NOT to have fewest casualties.
Like I said earlier, we did everything we can to minimize civilian casualties while still completing our objectives and protecting our own soldiers..
As for the hostages situation, may I remind you that there is an Israeli soldier held hostage somewhere in Gaza and he could very well have died in those attacks?
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Just so you know (in case you didn't), we did try to negotiate with HAMAS (although not directly) and more so with FATAH who acknowledged Israel's right to exist. The problem is, there are those you can't negotiate with, at least not until they understand that you have other options.
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Please, don't EVER make me do something like that again, I beg you.
So that's how I sound in those serious Tribunal threads. Good to know.
Don't worry, a day or two in the Wastelands and you'll be fine.
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posted January 19, 2009 09:18 PM |
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Just so you know (in case you didn't), we did try to negotiate with HAMAS (although not directly) and more so with FATAH who acknowledged Israel's right to exist. The problem is, there are those you can't negotiate with, at least not until they understand that you have other options.
I never heared of it, but I did expect Israel to do something. Unlike some people here might think, I do not think Israel was waiting for and will to have this war altogether. Meh, Self-defence, as I said.
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Please, don't EVER make me do something like that again, I beg you.
So that's how I sound in those serious Tribunal threads. Good to know.
Lol, I somewhat copied the lay-out from the post you made in OSM (theone you got the QP for )
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posted January 19, 2009 09:23 PM |
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I do not think the Israeli's think they are superior to the Palestines. if they thought so, they would have chaces them away a long time ago, I'm pretty sure of that.
Oh, so if Israel knew that its attack would result in 1300+ Israeli deaths, would it still do it?
Can you answer this straight? I mean give me your honest opinion (I know there's no way you could know that).
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Like I said earlier, we did everything we can to minimize civilian casualties while still completing our objectives and protecting our own soldiers..
But, that would be easier solved with a few nukes (apart from the fact that we have to take the rest of the world into account though) -- I mean, 0 Israeli deaths, 0 Soldier deaths, etc etc...
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posted January 19, 2009 09:27 PM |
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Can you answer this straight? I mean give me your honest opinion (I know there's no way you could know that).
I do not doubt any second, that Israel would have launched the offencive, despite knowing the high number of innocent casualities. You cannot expect someone to make a omelet without breaking the nessecairy eggs, sad as that may be.
I certainly do not approve it, but that is honestly what I think. Israel is to proud to let Hamas's constant attacks unpunished. Maybe they would have been more carefull if they knew the Palestine death toll, but nothing more than that...
we that's what I think about it.
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