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Shares
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posted March 16, 2009 11:37 PM |
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Edited by Shares at 23:38, 16 Mar 2009.
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Yes, but it actually is on Expert/impossible and a poor map those archers would be a great start to kill off some things around and maybe get some mines. If the lumber and ore is guarded you'll have a hard time if you're archerless.
EDIT: But, yes. If those archers aren't important for your survival and/or early progress, Caitlin is prolly a better choise.
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dimis
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posted March 17, 2009 12:15 AM |
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Let's say it's day one and you have Mullich and Damacon. There is a school of war, a school of magic and 2 learning stones. You can reach all four on day one, but only if you do them in that order. The direction you want to take your main on day 2 is past the 2nd learning stone. You can afford to pay 2000 gold, what would you do?
Damacon every time.
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Xarfax111
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posted March 17, 2009 12:42 PM |
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So, if you play castle, i tend to agree with the choise of Caitleen.
Bad advice here, take Valeska and the extra shooters. Anything else is just dump.
I would never take Mullich over Orrin, the extra speed just cant compete with the extra (double) damage that Orrin does. But at least this is a matter of taste.
PS: Looks like peeps tend to play Jebus Cross far too much. Sorry no strategy in this lousy template = newbie template.
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liophy
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posted March 17, 2009 01:53 PM |
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Edited by liophy at 13:58, 17 Mar 2009.
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So, if you play castle, i tend to agree with the choise of Caitleen.
Bad advice here, take Valeska and the extra shooters. Anything else is just dump.
PS: Looks like peeps tend to play Jebus Cross far too much. Sorry no strategy in this lousy template = newbie template.
Good advice is to listen to active players. No offence Xarfax, but...
And its a big contradiction to assume we talk about Jebus, since we take money into consideration...
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I would never take Mullich over Orrin
Your adoration of Orrin looks kind of strange, assuming the faction is not Tower.
And be sure, that most experienced players would NOT EVEN CONSIDER taking Orrin instead of Mullich. I can guarantee you that.
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liophy
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posted March 17, 2009 02:12 PM |
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Edited by liophy at 14:13, 17 Mar 2009.
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Take Valeska and the extra shooters. Anything else is just dump
Lets reflect whether anything else is JUST DUMP.
Starting with Valesca you get 2 times 4-7 shooters. Avarage 11. Not bad.
But with any other hero you get 10-20 pikes and 2-3 Griffins.
You need those griffins badly, couse you must do the dance of the slower army. Only 2 with the second hero is not enough.
But the biggest difference is the extra 15 pikes. There is big difference if you have 30 or 45 pikes on one single slot.
In the beggining those pikes are one small powerstack.
If you fight faster units you will unevitable engage in melee fight. If your pikes are weak, they will be attacked. If they are strong group, single fodders will be chosen instead. Or even better - ballista if available.
I am not saying, that this worth more than the 11 archers, but still it counts. So when you put it together with the steady income of +350 gold on poor map, and obligatory new hero different from Caitleen (overlord, beastmaster, barbariand) it could be better than Valesca.
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Xarfax111
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posted March 17, 2009 07:10 PM |
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And be sure, that most experienced players would NOT EVEN CONSIDER taking Orrin instead of Mullich. I can guarantee you that.
Depends on what you call experienced players. If i look into the stats of current players i see about 70% games played on Jebus, plus the rest are templates that almost the same style. Im sorry for them, but i dont see any experience there. Those games develope similar and dont contain any strategical depth (build sec town too, get as much angels and wyvern as you can bla bla bla). Of course this takes out the shooters out of the game, even with orrin, which shows how boring those games are.
Im still an active player and i dont think that i have to give a proof if im experienced or not.
You have some good points concerning the comparisson between caitlin and valeska, so ok, its not "dump". Still valeska is the way to go, cause with her extra shooters +50% more damage after 2Levels, Valeska provides some fights that you just CANT do with the normal castle starting troups and a barb.
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dimis
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posted March 17, 2009 07:54 PM |
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Just to add something from my experience; the tavern in the castle sucks quite frequently, and if you happen not to get a barbarian, overlord, or beastmaster, then Valeska will become your main hero. Caitlin will always serve you as a scouter - gold collector.
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liophy
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posted March 17, 2009 11:03 PM |
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the tavern in the castle sucks quite frequently, and if you happen not to get a barbarian, overlord, or beastmaster...
I didnt know that taverns in different towns have different possibility of heroes apearances. I dont know it for sure, so i dont argue. i just question - are you sure?
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dimis
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posted March 17, 2009 11:12 PM |
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Edited by dimis at 23:14, 17 Mar 2009.
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I am not sure since I haven't tested it. But my experience with castle is that its tavern sucks.
Of course a perfectly nice justification to what I say is that gap between the knights and the other heroes is fairly big, so I need the tavern for a good main in almost every game. 
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SAG
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posted March 18, 2009 07:44 AM |
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yes, taverns differ. As far as I remember, difference is not big in default settings.
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Binabik
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posted March 18, 2009 08:06 AM |
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Edited by Binabik at 08:12, 18 Mar 2009.
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The chance for any given class to appear in the tavern is either 5% or 6%.
It works *approximately* like this:
For the "good" and "bad" towns, it 6% for matching alignments and neutral alignments, and 5% for opposite alignments.
For neutral towns it's kind of mixed up.
Conflux heroes have 5% chance in all towns except Conflux itself.
This basically means that the neutral towns of stronghold and fortress have the highest chance of appearing since they have a 6% chance in all towns. (the only exception being battle mage in Conflux tavern is only 5%)
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xlnt
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posted March 18, 2009 08:46 AM |
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One more thing to consider - one will try their best to not use archers, but for the first 4-5 turns - from there on one shall try to use the superior units, namely cavaliers. why would i put money for archers when i can get cavs? if you get +350 gold for a starter - this nets you a steady income, + pikemen and chance for griffins and the chance to get a superior hero in tavern for the price of few archers and an archery ability that eventually will turn obsolete.
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Xarfax111
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posted March 18, 2009 04:57 PM |
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One more thing to consider - one will try their best to not use archers, but for the first 4-5 turns - from there on one shall try to use the superior units, namely cavaliers. why would i put money for archers when i can get cavs? if you get +350 gold for a starter - this nets you a steady income, + pikemen and chance for griffins and the chance to get a superior hero in tavern for the price of few archers and an archery ability that eventually will turn obsolete.
Its almost the same reason why players pick Ivor instead of +350 gold per day. You can do more fights and get more money then the lousy +350 gold/day can provide (while the advantage with Ivor is even more drastic). You just need to free a single treasury box more then you can to without the extra shooting power and there you go.
Means the extra shooters will enable you to get those wanted cavaliers more then the extra +350 gold/day. Of course, depending on the map/template you play, those extra shooters will have no meaning in the later game.
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Xarfax111
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posted March 18, 2009 05:03 PM |
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The chance for any given class to appear in the tavern is either 5% or 6%.
Are u sure that the 5 and 6 per hero do add up to 100? As far as i remember they dont, but i can be wrong with that.
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doom3d
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posted March 18, 2009 06:47 PM |
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Actually, I prefer magic heroes and don't like castle heroes.
But, if I have to choose between Valeska and Orrin as main hero, then I say Orrin. Simply because I may collect other shooting troops during the game. Inlcuding zealots.
If you ask about starting hero, then it can be Valeska with extra troops, but I would buy a main hero asap. I used to pick up +350gold specialists at impossible, if the guards are too strong for archers.
Kyrre is the best main hero for shooters. logistics+archery +good chances to have earth magic with slow and pathfinding.
But in my game, Solmyr is da bomb! 
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Binabik
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posted March 18, 2009 07:45 PM |
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Are u sure that the 5 and 6 per hero do add up to 100
Yes, I checked 4 different towns. So it's a straight percentage. Were you adding the column or the row? I added the column.
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