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DarkCrystal
Promising
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Staright out of line
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posted April 01, 2009 08:32 PM |
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Even if this is April's fool joke, I have to say I liked it, because it showed the true colors of some members who would leave because there are no more QPs.
Well, you are right. I can't not agree any more. It seems that this change really showed the members faces. Lex, I didn't expect that from you.
Well, with the sorrow in heart and losses behind, let's move on for the rise of HC!
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kainc
Famous Hero
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posted April 01, 2009 08:59 PM |
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Yeah. Let's give some respect to each other, even if we don't think the same way about everything. Attacking someone just makes him/her to counter-attack you and the infinite loop is ready, until either one of participants grows up and decides to stop.
The greatest trophy you can earn here is the throphy of maturity.
Off-topic: I don't know about this Sir_Stiven case, was the reason for him to be banned in the thread you linked? I'm just curious, I have no intentions to rip any old wounds open. So feel free to say "it's none of your business" if you feel that way 
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TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
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posted April 01, 2009 09:03 PM |
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Why is it so difficult to understand that QPs can also be apreciated for something else than for everyones dying need to boost their ego?
Because Lexxan is proof that such a thing does not happen.
@Lexxan:
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I cannot believe you let this go so lightly. You don't even realize how hurt I (and other member) are by this decision! It's completely irrational. Weakness, that'w what it is! Fear for criticism. So what do we do? Some people whine (people who either don't care about QPs or don't have them) and we shut down the whole system! Have you even read the whole thread? The MAJORITY was in FAVOUR of a status quo!!! GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT!!! Jeezus, what a snicker!
Oh, so I take it, if it wasn't the "majority" you would shut up?
What's irrational? That he and the mods wanted less drama regarding QPs? I think it was pretty rational to do that.
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So sue me! Who cares whether this is ego attachment or not.
You are devious and a coward, no offense. You avoid saying that you only get QPs for your ego, and give devious advice like "QPs are about improving HC overall, so you should probably start to think about improving the community and blabla" to those who wanted one (mostly noobs), when translated in Lexxan language it is "QPs are gained usually by long posts about stuff that probably hasn't been done -- and if it has been done, study others' posts who got QPs and see how they got 'em! If you get the QP for a thread, unless someone objects or complains, don't bother improving that thread either! The QP matters!"
simply disgracefully, at least this showed your true colors.
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This sentence makes less sense than RSF. HELLO, this is NOT UTOPIA, and do not expect other to think like you. It's YOUR OWN EGOCENTRIC DECISION, and Admin or not, I WILL make you regret it! I will NOT apologize for this one, it is YOU who have hurt me! (I will remove all of this if you return the QP-system)
You know what? You "hurt" me too with this nonsense.
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Hallellujah! My goodness, cut the hippie crap and it doesn't work.
I suggest you stop acting bossy because, Lexxan, remember this is Val's community. Why you are being so childish is that the QP system was also his design in the first place.
You can buy your own site if you want, and put there a QUADRILLION QPs if it makes you feel any better. And probably put only to yourself some status like "Super-Mega-Ruler-of-All-Existence and Responsible-Being!"
Do you realize how childish this is?
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TheDeath
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posted April 01, 2009 09:15 PM |
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I don't think you got my post, there wasn't one insult in it (except for "coward" but seriously I could not find another word, it was supposed to be taken lightly)
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted April 01, 2009 09:40 PM |
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You can act anyway you want, this is a community for everyone.
Asheera, Xarfax did what he did on different reasons.
I understood what he went through at that time.
Lexxan is kind of losing it.
If this is an April Fools joke, I am sure he will say "Oh I was just acting this way because I knew it was a joke"
Father well what can I say about Pops.
It's a shame he has to go but that is his choice.
Asheera I wish you could understand where I am coming from.
Yes Salamandre.
It is like real life. Us people revolve being on here learning the ropes.I have seen the environment change more then once.
Alot of us was pretty crazy on here also.
Difference is that we are getting older, the younger members are young.
ALot of us was also in our 20's like I was.
Alot of these members are in their early teens.
2oo4/2005 was some interesting years.
Like reading a history book.
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Tobius
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 01, 2009 10:10 PM |
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Edited by Tobius at 22:19, 01 Apr 2009.
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Removal of QPs
Wow.
That's a major change here on this site since the QP system has been some kind of a distinct characteristic of Heroes Community.
I'm still not sure whether this is an April Fools' joke or not because the decision is so authoritative and decisive.
On the assumption that this in no joke shouldn't the yellow stars be removed, too?
I mean they are as pointless as the red stars (which no longer exist) as they simply classify the users into more or less valuable "heroes" (implied by the title). Taking this step would be consistent to the decision of removing the red stars.
In fact, there are thousands of other forums without such "graphic classifications" that function without grave problems.
However, if this turns out to be a joke, I think it was a rather bad one regarding all the huff it created, even provoking some users to leave the community...
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TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
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posted April 01, 2009 10:34 PM |
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In fact, there are thousands of other forums without such "graphic classifications" that function without grave problems.
Most forums show your post count and some kind of jokingly status. (seriously, people who take the "Unstoppable" or other statuses seriously have some problems).
And what has this got to do with being "given" or "subjective bias" or "favoritism"? Post count is measured automatically and is pointless in most cases (except when you are truly new -- in which case, for example, some features can be disabled).
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However, if this turns out to be a joke, I think it was a rather bad one regarding all the huff it created, even provoking some users to leave the community...
If they leave because of no QPs, then it means they have no reason to care for anything else, neither for the community. You get my point?
@Cepheus: I still don't get it. Of course I called him bossy, what's bad in that? It wasn't even SUPPOSED to be an insult (since I told him to stop acting bossy anyway so more like the other way around), in fact insulting pointlessly is the last thing I'll ever do, if I'll even do it.
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Tobius
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posted April 01, 2009 10:56 PM |
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And what has this got to do with being "given" or "subjective bias" or "favoritism"? Post count is measured automatically and is pointless in most cases (except when you are truly new -- in which case, for example, some features can be disabled).
Er, to whom do you refer this? Well, I absolutely agree with you about this but its pointlessness simply enforces the next logical step to end the stylization of pointlessness by removing the yellow stars, too.
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If they leave because of no QPs, then it means they have no reason to care for anything else, neither for the community. You get my point?
Well, you could also look at it the other way round: If the community stays untouched by the retreat of some users in consequence of the mod's decisions, then it means that the community doesn't care for its members. What next?
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SwampLord
Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
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posted April 01, 2009 11:03 PM |
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That's an entirely different case though.
A community by definition is affected by the loss of a member because those members aren't part of the community anymore--> they are withdrawing from it.
However, the community was never part of the member. It's a faulty comparison.
And losing people like Lexxan WILl affect the community, too, of course.
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Corribus
Hero of Order
The Abyss Staring Back at You
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posted April 01, 2009 11:13 PM |
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Frankly, I think abolishing the system sucks.
But I guess my opinion came too late.
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The_Gootch
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Kneel Before Me Sons of HC!!
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posted April 01, 2009 11:13 PM |
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As a somewhat interested bystander, would the mods be so kind as to present us a list of the biggest qp whiners that led to this change?
Clearly this is only for posterity. I promise not to say bad things to them.
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TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
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posted April 01, 2009 11:44 PM |
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Edited by TheDeath at 23:46, 01 Apr 2009.
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Er, to whom do you refer this? Well, I absolutely agree with you about this but its pointlessness simply enforces the next logical step to end the stylization of pointlessness by removing the yellow stars, too.
I meant QPs are not calculate automatically compared to "post count" which is also pointless.
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Well, you could also look at it the other way round: If the community stays untouched by the retreat of some users in consequence of the mod's decisions, then it means that the community doesn't care for its members. What next?
It shouldn't care for members who are not here for the community 
Sorry but truth
EDIT: Not saying Lexxan is, since I actually liked his posts a lot, except the rampage he got now with QPs (he just used to post in the VW lately though so...). I think leaving right now would make a grave decision for him since he isn't just a QP-hunter, although it seems that this personality took over
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mvassilev
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posted April 01, 2009 11:51 PM |
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Hold on. Let's look at this from a more detached angle. We need to compare HC-with-QPs to HC-without-QPs. What place is the closest thing to HC-without-QPs? The Round Table Forums - they have many of the same people (Asheera, Lexxan, TheDeath, JJ, Corribus, Elvin, OmegaDestroyer, etc) - but no QPs. Let's compare the post quality here and there.
It would seem to me that the quality here is higher. And one of the biggest differences between the two places is the presence of QPs. Now correlation doesn't imply causation, of course, but it's just something to think about.
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Corribus
Hero of Order
The Abyss Staring Back at You
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posted April 01, 2009 11:53 PM |
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Hold on. Let's look at this from a more detached angle. We need to compare HC-with-QPs to HC-without-QPs. What place is the closest thing to HC-without-QPs? The Round Table Forums - they have many of the same people (Asheera, Lexxan, TheDeath, JJ, Corribus, Elvin, OmegaDestroyer, etc) - but no QPs. Let's compare the post quality here and there.
It would seem to me that the quality here is higher. And one of the biggest differences between the two places is the presence of QPs. Now correlation doesn't imply causation, of course, but it's just something to think about.
The quality here is far higher. But that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the existence of QPs. For one thing, the moderation there is far too heavy handed.
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mvassilev
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted April 01, 2009 11:56 PM |
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More like it's uneven. As the closing of the Observatory showed.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted April 02, 2009 12:17 AM |
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Depends on the environment, moderation and the people around at the time. I used to post here more seriously and kept to the campfire for chitchat. You can't compare the campfire to the temple that I frequented and the company I had there was more fun, warmer than here where I posted rather formally - once upon a time in a galaxy far far away.. Nor can you compare ch's heroes section with the temple since it's no contest. Eventually some people there left, some grew bored and I felt I did not belong there anymore - even if the place had shinies it would not have changed a thing.
Perhaps qps can influence a poster in the very beginning since you invest time and energy to make quality posts but eventually it all depends on the environment whether you will remain or not. At some point I was bored with hc and considered leaving and it wasn't the qp system that influenced my stay either.
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RedSoxFan3
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Fan of Red Sox
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posted April 02, 2009 12:43 AM |
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This is probably the best thing the moderators have done in a long time. It's great to see people make themselves look like complete babies over removing QPs.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted April 02, 2009 01:00 AM |
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Says the childish one
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Aculias
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Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted April 02, 2009 01:03 AM |
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Now now Children Children behave yourselves
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The_Gootch
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Kneel Before Me Sons of HC!!
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posted April 02, 2009 01:50 AM |
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Am I to take it that all the crying and bellyaching going on publicly is exactly the same thing that was going on privately when the old system was in place?
When did these cowards decide to man up?
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