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Elvin
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posted March 31, 2009 12:49 AM |
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That's part of the problem. Newbies often think they don't matter unless they gain some when they should be looking for acceptance and friendship from others instead. I'm still in favour of them and not just for heroes boards but I don't view it as something inherently negative. What I see is negative people that find yet another outlet for their emotions right here. It's people's attitude that can make the system shine or fail and instead of striving for the former they choose to complain on how it is not working. Go figure.
Suggestions are good and all but unless you realize that it's you that cause the problem things won't change. Learn to accept it for what it is and enjoy your time here regardless, life is too short to waste on online dramas. Unless you just want to spoil things for the ones that enjoy it.
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Salamandre
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Wog refugee
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posted March 31, 2009 01:33 AM |
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@Father
I never entered any QP relating thread so I apologize if my comments are off topic, as really I don't know how this works.
Please notice that I have twice the age of most of mods here, so I am not so hungry about being rewarded by teenagers (No offense mods, only truth)
If you only knew how many years it took me to be able to do those guides who earned a QP, you would not "LOL". With or without QP system I would do it anyway, because I have projects.
I agree with you that it should not be only a particular way to reward quality posts. But if you don't set a rule about that, everything becomes subjective and it raise opposition and spam "users vs mods" threads.
Respect required from the mods
I see those things in this way:
Each day(almost) I click on the link and this page displays in no matter of time. My post was answered, my thread was rated, everything was updated, HC messenger is working, spam was deleted, maybe I even got a QP done by a long haired Pandora which opens her box also for good things.
...etc ...etc.
Who did this?
A bunch of people (the above teenagers) who come here every day and do this for you and me, for us, and free. All this so you can post, surf, answer, ask, get help, meet friends. And now critic them harshly.
Still need "respect" from them?
This forum used to be the best one about Heroes, and it still is. Don't let it run in internal combats about nothing important. There are great threads in all sections, and they make us proud.
I don't know what's wrong with mods recently. Why should they ask your opinion about how this 10 years old forum should work and so on. Just keep it as it was and give penalties to moaning people.
And this will halve the daily posts and give you an earned free time.
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The_Gootch
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Supreme Hero
Kneel Before Me Sons of HC!!
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posted March 31, 2009 01:34 AM |
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Um, isn't resurrecting old threads considered penalty worthy? If that's the case, I'd like to nominate Angelito for a -qp for this latest rendition.
In all seriousness, this cycle is kind of like a pressure cooker. It keeps building and building until someone makes this kind of a thread for the sole purpose of allowing people to blow off steam. People blow off steam and life becomes normal again.
Has enough steam been blown off? Can we table this discussion for two more years? Are some of you operating under the delusion that what you're saying has never been said before and you have a fresh perspective on the issue?
Trust me, you don't.
Or don't trust me. You still don't.
I heard a funny comparison recently. I'll paraphrase it for the kiddies.
Qps don't matter, unless you're not getting any.
And what's with these goofy accusations about favoritism? Of course there's favoritism. If you are in a position of authority you want to reward the hardest working, best behaved, most responsible bunch you've got. If someone isn't in the group of favorites, more often than not they want to believe there's some sort of grand conspiracy against them rather take the time to look at themselves and their own character defects.
This is of course profoundly apparent when dealing with teenagers and young adults. Maybe it's not their fault. Maybe they're biologically hard-wired to be selfish. It pains me when mods take this childish foolishness to heart. Unfortunately, squeaky wheels get the grease. Or in the case of some of you bozos, squeaky voices get a response.
Instead of whining and complaining and keeping scoresheets about who has gotten what when they clearly didn't earn it, mind your own effin' business and think about ways you can be helpful, productive, interesting, or at the very least entertaining.
And for the record, I don't care about qps. Maybe it's because I've got a few. Who cares? Does someone who has a boatload of qps impress me? Not on your life. Case in point, RSF. Should it impress you? I don't think so, but hey, to each their own.
I read some of The_Hydra's tracts and while I can see how thorough and organized he is, that kind of technical babble doesn't interest me. Bort, on the other hand, was so good he should've gotten a hundred qps. And if I were a mod I would've still awarded them qps because that's the system that's in place for rewarding helpful, interesting, and entertaining works. And if I were a mod I would welcome the complaints from every other member and based on their venom, I would gladly give back to them 15, 30, or 45 seconds of abuse based on, well, my mood.
Here's another phrase we used at my last serious job.
"If marines ain't snowing, they ain't happy."
Sounds like things are pretty good here. Glad you checked in with us.
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mvassilev
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted March 31, 2009 01:44 AM |
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I'd care about QPs if I had that 20-posts-a-day limit. Now that I don't, though, I don't really care.
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phoenixreborn
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Unicorn
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posted March 31, 2009 01:49 AM |
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Quote:
UAre some of you operating under the delusion that what you're saying has never been said before and you have a fresh perspective on the issue?
Trust me, you don't.
Or don't trust me. You still don't.
That's it folks we can cancel the I stopped believing in God thread.
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kookastar
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Legendary Hero
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posted March 31, 2009 01:56 AM |
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kill them
they seem to have too much affect on people's self esteem. really people, tis sad 
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RedSoxFan3
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Legendary Hero
Fan of Red Sox
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posted March 31, 2009 08:41 AM |
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Most of the moderators don't use them effectively anymore anyway. Back in 2004, when I modded Glade, I feel that QPs played a big role in encouraging members to continue their strong efforts towards the RPs. They just aren't used often enough anymore.
Originally it was meant to be top 1% of all posts. Unfortunately, that is not the case by any means. If you look at the number of posts in this forum and then at the number of QPs its hardly balanced. QPs are far too exclusive.
I personally think that they should remove the QP system entirely. Most of the issues between moderators and members revolves around QPs. Everyone has a different point of view on quality, so no one will ever be happy with a QP system, especially when they are given out so rarely and exclusively.
Also the penalty system seems to be a bit unrelated to quality posting. The two things seem unrelated. Making a really good thread, doesn't seem to be related to breaking the COC by any means.
What do I think should replace the current penalty system? Custom floodprotection settings and silencing is more than enough.
What do I think should replace the current bonus system? There should be no system at all. This community is too small and everyone knows each other too well to have something this elitest. It will only create drama.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted March 31, 2009 10:19 AM |
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This drama has been on for yrs.
If the mods would stick to the correct % of QP's deserved, then it should be fine.
I do agree that QP's have been going around alot easier these days.
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Valeriy
Mage of the Land
Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
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posted March 31, 2009 01:09 PM |
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As some members have pointed out this debate comes up over and over again over the years. My original intent when creating the QP system has been to encourage positivity and discourage negativity, making HC a more pleasant place to be. But looking at it all now, in reality what we seem to have is more negativity then positivity coming out of this system. Some members are encouraged to become better posters, and have indeed become such over the years. But the amount of QP begging, QP questioning, power abuse accusations and discrimination this system produces seems to be far greater.
QP system also puts much more extra load on moderators - firstly because of how much energy it takes to select and then "defend" the handing out of QPs, secondly, because they never could live up to giving QPs to top 1-2 % of the posts. Then also dealing with endless stream of requests and accusations.
So following some similar discussion we've had in the mod squad I've decided to scrap the QP system and will be doing so gradually over the next week or so. I hope that once QPs are gone we can get on with what makes HC what it is in the first place - posting and sharing good company.
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DarkCrystal
Promising
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Staright out of line
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posted March 31, 2009 01:21 PM |
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So what would be with floodprotect and post limit now?
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Valeriy
Mage of the Land
Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
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posted March 31, 2009 01:30 PM |
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QPs are now removed.
My plan with floodprotect and daily post limit is to allow moderators to change these settings for each individual member.
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william
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LummoxLewis
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posted March 31, 2009 01:33 PM |
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Edited by william at 13:35, 31 Mar 2009.
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Lol, is this an April Fools joke or something?
Must be a joke. If you really took the QP system away then every bonus point would have gone (for the posts), but since this must be a joke and since putting up all qp's again (every qp that's been given) would be tedious as all hell, then yeah.
If this is real then I think it was a bad decision.
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Mytical
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Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted March 31, 2009 01:34 PM |
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Yes. I tried to have a different approach, but Val had made up his mind. I doubt my 20 posts a day for everybody would have been popular anyhow.
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Message received.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted March 31, 2009 01:34 PM |
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no, you got what you asked for. xD
The QPs are still in the base, they are just "not counted" now.
It feels... weird without the red stars.
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DarkCrystal
Promising
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Staright out of line
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posted March 31, 2009 01:38 PM |
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Suggestion: maybe make post limit removed when member reach certain status? (For example adventuring hero) It will make mods less worry about members and prevent new dramas like: "Why he doesn't have limit and I have?"
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted March 31, 2009 01:38 PM |
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How ironic, people wish the qps out and when their wish is fulfilled they question Val's decision.
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william
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LummoxLewis
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posted March 31, 2009 01:42 PM |
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Edited by william at 14:10, 31 Mar 2009.
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Doomforge
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Retired Hero
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posted March 31, 2009 01:44 PM |
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Hey, why don't you just play along william 
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william
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LummoxLewis
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posted March 31, 2009 01:45 PM |
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Gotta have some people that would be like that and some that would play along lol. Can't have everyone just suddenly go "oh, great one Valeriy  "
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted March 31, 2009 01:48 PM |
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I am totally out of my mind! I hope this reply doesn't show that I am when I'm not. 
If it was you'd be our official party pooper. Believe what you wish, we'll see what you have to say when you see that the system is here to stay. Apparently you can't even have a serious discussion here, one would expect you would be glad to see your wishes implemented.
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