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posted March 29, 2009 10:28 PM |
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The dilemma is human nature and competitiveness. We can't please everyone but we must try anyway.
Exactly my point. I haven't really read throug the thread (or I have, but very quickly) and I don't know if this has been posted on here before but my suggestion is that we do like this:
I suggest we take away the QP system and instead add a reward system. for an instance. at first all members have the 20-limit and the floodprotect set at 90 seconds (or how much it is) and then if a mod feels that they have contributed and/or made a very good post, they can give a "silent" reward. which is basicly like the QP system just people don't really know if a member have been rewarded or not. and if they have been punished or not. the reward can be different things. like: +10 posts per day, - 20 seconds floodprotect etc. the level of the reward depends on how much the mod think the member have contributed. Does this sound like a good idea? then, the only noise we will get will be from a few members who lost their priviliges. but this will only be for a few months. and there wont be any complaints about it cause people don't know if others got rewarded or not. does this sound like a good idea?
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mvassilev
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posted March 29, 2009 11:12 PM |
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Consider, though. At the moment, our mod squad is generally good, and they try hard to be objective. But these mods won't stay forever. And if we get a bunch of bad mods in the future (it could happen) - and they'd be able to have this kind of discretion, the favoritism and rancor that it would spawn would certainly damage HC, and some members who should have floodprotect would end up without it, and members who shouldn't have floodprotect would end up with it.
On the other hand, just because a member has a lot of QPs doesn't mean that he/she doesn't post stupid, angry, spammy, or otherwise disagreeable stuff. And yet he/she would still have no floodprotect/post limit if the QP count is high enough.
So either way, some members are going to slip through the cracks. It's an age-old dilemma that's not limited to this particular problem: should policy be made by rule or by discretion?
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posted March 29, 2009 11:13 PM |
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I do not think we have to whine about the present ModSquad. I think they rock, to be honest 
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mvassilev
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posted March 29, 2009 11:15 PM |
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For the most part, yes. But, and I'm speaking from experience, "mod" doesn't necessarily mean "good".
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posted March 29, 2009 11:17 PM |
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Where have I written something different, Mvass? I'm fully aware of that, you know (as I told you already)
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posted March 29, 2009 11:19 PM |
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If you get bad mods they'll get the boot soon enough  As if Val would stand for that.
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mvassilev
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posted March 29, 2009 11:28 PM |
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Val isn't as active as he once was. Plus, we've had bad mods in the past, and it took them a while to get the boot.
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Lexxan
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posted March 29, 2009 11:28 PM |
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Then the others will compensate them, I hope.
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posted March 30, 2009 07:37 AM |
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besides, if they would become mods they can'tbe that bad. cause (I think) that it is discussed in the HQ first.
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posted March 30, 2009 11:35 AM |
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-QP shouldnt be allowed to give as some kind of "revenge" thing like angelito did to me.
How about you show ONE example for this accusation? I'm sure you won't find any non-deserved penalty in your history (given by me that is!)
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Plus -QP shouldnt be given for eternity, like "we are the moderators, we show no mercy". This is kind of childish.
If you have been in jail, even if only for a week, and turn into a priest afterwards, at the age of 80, your vita will still say: Was in jail for 1 week"..
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QP are taken away (for given reasons of course), but -QP will stay forever (for no reason).
When did you ever see a +QP taken away? I only can remember one specific case where a single member turned Troelsen and deleted/edited all of his +QP posts so the quality was gone 
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posted March 30, 2009 11:35 AM |
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Plus, we've had bad mods in the past, and it took them a while to get the boot.
Examples?
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posted March 30, 2009 11:58 AM |
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Actually we mods are normally very reasonable. We like to treat people with the respect given us. So if we come accross somebody who doesn't respect us, well we tend to give back what we get. I consider myself a nice person, even if stubborn.
It honestly just seems that somepeople think not only do we do horrible jobs, but that they can do better. I am half tempted to try to get Val to do so, then sit back, do nothing and watch what happens. You can not please everybody, no matter how hard you try. But hey, they know everything right? I mean they know our jobs better then we do, and how the board should be ran, and .. well everything.
Pan you are much stronger then me. Heck I only got a few "Your a Nazi" HCM's. You get that and worse every day. I probably would have already walked away in your shoes. We are lucky to have you. I only hope that seeing all this .. junk in the open gets people to back off and respect your more.
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posted March 30, 2009 12:01 PM |
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We like to treat people with the respect given us. So if we come accross somebody who doesn't respect us, well we tend to give back what we get.
That doesn't sound like a very good moderator action to me. If someone doesn't treat you with respect, then you should try to be neutral and not show lack of respect back to them, right? I mean, if you worked at a supermarket and a customer came up to you with a serious lack of respect, started abusing you and calling you names, would you do the same thing? I doubt it.
As for keeping the QP system or taking it away...I say leave it but try to improve on it more. There are too many flaws in it at the moment.
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posted March 30, 2009 12:06 PM |
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Heh, you don't know me very well do you William. I have worked in a supermarket before. A customer was rude to me, I walked away or directed them to management. I was not paid to take abuse. Nor am I paid to do so here. In fact, I am not paid at all here. I do what I do because I ENJOY HC. Also, I never said I abuse those who don't show me respect, for respect is earned, but I will be dang if I will let somebody walk over me either.
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posted March 30, 2009 12:09 PM |
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I know you haven't abused anyone, since it was just an example. Sure you may not be paid to take abuse but part of being in a supermarket is being able to work with the team and with the customers. If a customer is shouting at you, then there are proper steps to take in order to rectify the situation. Shouting back at them won't solve anything. Neither would walking away. That just makes things worse. You may not be paid to do your job here but you do have a job to do and I'm sure as hell that what I said in my above post is right.
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posted March 30, 2009 12:17 PM |
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Edited by Azagal at 12:18, 30 Mar 2009.
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We like to treat people with the respect given us. So if we come accross somebody who doesn't respect us, well we tend to give back what we get.
That doesn't sound like a very good moderator action to me. If someone doesn't treat you with respect, then you should try to be neutral and not show lack of respect back to them, right? I mean, if you worked at a supermarket and a customer came up to you with a serious lack of respect, started abusing you and calling you names, would you do the same thing? I doubt it.
Thank you will that was top notch .
This is exactly the problem I've had during discussion with mods in the past. In some cases we manged in others we didn't. But you're perfectly right about the code of behaviour mods should maintain.
EDIT: Just read your second post. And yeah things don't much truer than what you're saying.
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Mytical
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posted March 30, 2009 12:21 PM |
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Edited by Mytical at 12:29, 30 Mar 2009.
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Part of that job is to do things that people may not like also. Heck it is to do things I don't like. Let me turn your example on you.
You are working at a supermarket. 10 people come up to you. 9 tell you how great a job you are doing, 1 tells you how horrible of a job you are doing. Now do you change how you do your job to make the 1 person happy (thereby upsetting the other 9) or do you realize that hey you can't please everybody and do your job the same (keeping the 9 happy)?
Edit : Double Standards is it? Perhaps it is forgotten that we are only human.
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posted March 30, 2009 12:41 PM |
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Edited by william at 12:43, 30 Mar 2009.
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If it was up to me then I'd try to find a balance between the two. Even then, people may still be unhappy. Face of the matter is, you agreed to the CoC when you signed up as a moderator. you knew the rules. If someone walks over you, treats you like crap or whatever, then don't give them the satisfaction of retaliating back at them. It solves nothing and it's not what a moderator should be doing. At least in my experience anyway. If you are gonna do things that are not what a moderator should be doing then maybe you could try to change that. Just my opinion anyway.
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posted March 30, 2009 12:52 PM |
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Edited by Mytical at 12:57, 30 Mar 2009.
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I think I know where the confusion is coming from. My statement "So if we come accross somebody who doesn't respect us, well we tend to give back what we get." does not mean I will disrespect them, but that I will not respect them. A huge difference. I won't go after them, or attack them, or anything.
How many times have we disagreed William, or me with you Azagal? Have I ever done anything to make your life miserable?  (Don't answer that lol).
Edit : HOWEVER...there is a line that should not be crossed. Nobody has really ever gotten too bad with me. I will not take abuse, even from Val. Also, those with plenty of stars, like William and Azagal, should also set examples for the rest. Don't you think?
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posted March 30, 2009 01:01 PM |
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Edited by Azagal at 13:03, 30 Mar 2009.
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Mytical there is no need to be dramatic about this.
Wills example was neither about:
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Part of that job is to do things that people may not like also.
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Now do you change how you do your job to make the 1 person happy
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Double Standards is it? Perhaps it is forgotten that we are only human
(the we're only human part is what I mean by being dramatic. Nobody doubts that you're being human. You should however be professionals.)
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Face of the matter is, you agreed to the CoC when you signed up as a moderator. you knew the rules. If someone walks over you, treats you like crap or whatever, then don't give them the satisfaction of retaliating back at them. It solves nothing and it's not what a moderator should be doing.
Whenever I've had a problem with a mod this was the reason. When you're a moderator and you want to be correct then you have to follow the rules. That's one of your responsabilites. Can anyone say it isn't? You have to be professionals that's why you're mods. Therefore you have to deal with problems in the apropriate manner. And that includes standing above people behaving badly and answer apropriatly and pefectly correct.
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My statement does not mean I will disrespect them, but that I will not respect them.
Yes there's a huge difference. But I wasn't participating in this because you said it but because it's something I see often enough on the boards (just look at the recent RSF story).
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Not sure this was the main reason...maybe it was coz of lack of needed maturity. Who knows?
But of course everybody is free telling his own story to a specific issue...
Perfect example. Ash's comment that got penalized is a freakin JOKE compared to that one.
See I like to think of HC as one big community where we all get along. Some may not exactly love each other but they manage to keep it cool. So of course it isn't neccesary for the mods to be picture perfect examples of zeal and correctness (as you say you're human etc.) since the mods here are more what I consider a "senior" (senpai if you want) than the big scary teacher cracking the penalty whip. But when it counts the leisure should drop for some professionalism (.... I hope it's not neccesary for me to mention that I'm not accusing anyone with that one...)
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That is so evil...
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Also, those with plenty of stars, like William and Azagal, should also set examples for the rest. Don't you think?
way to shut us both up now. BUT EGO MASSAGE WON'T WORK ON ME!!(but yeah of course you're right everybody should be doing their best to behave good and be an example to everyone else).
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