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bixie
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posted June 04, 2009 10:55 AM |
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the Vote- I has it
the Vote is something that everyone has a right to have. the Human rights act stated that everyone, be they black, white, muslim, christian, atheist, gay, straight, man, woman, whatever or whoever they are have the right to a vote. It's a staple of our western society, and one of the great freedoms that we have.
but how many people take the vote for granted and don't vote? having just voted in the european and local elections for my council, I had a chat to several friends. Their responses were shocking, to say the least:
"Whats the point in voting? No-ones going to listen to you."
"I don't do politics."
"Bloody hell, I can't be bothered."
"I wouldn't know the first thing about voting and politics."
"All the governments ever done is step on the working man, what's the point in voting for a government whose just as bad as the last one?"
I was a little taken aback. The Vote is now taken for Granted, and people don't vote simply because they can, it seems. I feel that if we are to progress as a democracy, we need to take the vote more seriously. enough people have died for it, already.
what do people think?
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Celfious
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posted June 04, 2009 11:10 AM |
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Edited by Celfious at 11:22, 04 Jun 2009.
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The following post is a prime example of what 4 level progressive seriousness should be followed by a serious yet deceptively looking unseriousness that is actually serious.
the internetz has been voted.. (edit) DANG IT THIS IS OSM
[start serious]yes yes votes are important /end serioius
[continuation and more seriousness.]
I dont vote either.. I dont feel adequately informed to make a decision, this decision to not vote is also backed up by votes dont do a thing unless you are among the perhaps 30% or so of people who vote, but even then .. I guess I am not explaining that right. Basically, I can assure you if I voted against obama, he would still have won. Any chance I ever get to vote, I can assure you, that my vote would not make a difference unless by some freak thing happens and I strike enough odd's to win little lotto
Super serious now!! !
We should ALL have like up to 100 votes or something. there should be 100 or so things to vote on. What we actually vote on, is first voted on. Abortion prochoice or not. Stem cell research or not. Legalize drugs? (If yes then they vote on specifics) then as always, which president do you vote on to carry out the fricking WILL OF THE PEOPLE The things that we do not vote to vote on are left to the people we voted on to vote on those things we dont vote to vote on.
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Aculias
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posted June 04, 2009 12:17 PM |
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Anyone should be able to vote.
It all adds up.
People Fight for our rights to vote for yrs.
Even back since the civil war, people have told us who was allowed to vote & who was not.
The Ku Klux Klan the democratic white people of the southern states in those times made sure only white republicans can vote.Even the recent KKK made sure certain people could vote with the power of alot of powerful people & thier sons.
Women have fought for their rights to vote & I support womens rights & equality.
Even though alot of women want more power.
Our leaders have given women too much power to run things if they wanted to.
Point is that voting is a privledge for any person.
Black,white,green,red,or any race or ethnic.
Voting wont hurt you either, everyone has thier reasons.
Hey at least we got our 11 states back from the Emancipation 
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bixie
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posted June 04, 2009 12:28 PM |
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I'm not saying people shouldn't vote, I'm saying that it's being taken for granted, and people now don't vote out of laziness.
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Celfious
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posted June 04, 2009 12:29 PM |
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Edited by Celfious at 12:29, 04 Jun 2009.
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Acu I see you have a valid point but what do you think on the common mentality that I share with a large portion of the population that says my one vote wont do a thing?
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Cepheus
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posted June 04, 2009 12:35 PM |
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Edited by Cepheus at 14:26, 04 Jun 2009.
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a large portion of the population that says my one vote wont do a thing?
"Ah, but when a few billion people start thinking like that, then we have a problem."
- Baklava?
@Bixie, how can you vote if you're only 16?
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Aculias
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posted June 04, 2009 02:21 PM |
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There will always be a good population of people in every state that votes.
If I remember it is optional.
Out of laziness is not really correct.
People have a reason for voting or not voting.
To me I dont think it really matters.
Both candidates are shady in their own rights.
Celfious personally I dont even think it matters.
The majority goes to electrol votes anyways.
Popular votes is rounded to the nearest %
Sometimes I wonder if our votes actually matter.
It's not like we had cheating valets before.
It's a choice of every individual who wants to vote or not.
Jake & I had a big fight about questioning your president if you vote or not.
To me it dont matter if you vote or not. Your an American & he is still your president.
So yea you have a right to talk even if you dont vote.
Personally I despise Jakes way of thinking & his political mind which is mostly arrogant & self centered.
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del_diablo
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posted June 04, 2009 03:01 PM |
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I think the range from worst to best(kinda) in voting is:
*Nobody knows anything and votes
*Only a minority is voting
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*Rigged election
*Nobody votes
*No choices when voting
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*People know what they are voting for
*People know what they are voting for and there is enogh choices
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posted June 04, 2009 03:16 PM |
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Actually in America there is a long history of not voting. The last presidential vote actually had a decent turn out, but besides that it typically is less then 30% (ish) that turns up at the voting polls. Of course 30% is a guess and it could be lower (or higher but I doubt it). Not being able to get to the voting booth is not an excuse, you can always ask for an absentee ballot if you can not make it to the polling place. Then you can have weeks to mail it in.
It is more apathy and disillusionment about the current government that drives a lot of people away. They think it doesn't matter who they vote for, it is going to be the same old same old. Corruption, broken promises, and questionable morals of the people running for office is a major reason why a lot of people do not want to vote. Regardless if the person will be that way or not is beside the point in their mind.
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Celfious
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posted June 04, 2009 03:30 PM |
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ya like i was saying though, if we could vote on 100 things we wanted to have a voice in, that would be a lot better than our voice going only for a guy who has a lot of control over everything.
This is government for the people by the people, yet all we can "say" is left or right, which is including everything being left up to which ever guy wins, left or right
(or lady )
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bixie
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posted June 04, 2009 04:50 PM |
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@Bixie, how can you vote if you're only 16?
I was 16 two years ago.
I haven't bothered to change it yet.
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Celfious
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posted June 04, 2009 05:20 PM |
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what I forgot to remind everyone is we dont have much say in the candidates. The rich *****s make the initial selections of candidates. Right? i know I am at least right about the start of the whole process.
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posted June 04, 2009 05:32 PM |
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I think you're looking at this the wrong way. Instead of viewing this as a negative phenomenon, think about this. First, would you rather the uninformed would vote? I don't think you'd want that. Second, the fewer people vote, the more your vote counts. 
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xerdux
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posted June 05, 2009 12:45 AM |
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To vote you want information about what the whole thing is about...
So right now there are some stuff with the European Union going on and you need to vote. And I know that many swedes, including my mum, wont vote in that election because its 1. Most boring election ever 2. lack of information, big time
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Rarensu
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posted June 05, 2009 06:12 AM |
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Democracy used to mean a warm fuzzy feeling that happened when a nation of people got together and decided their own fate. It was a huge improvement over the stagnant aristocracies of the past. I'm an American, and we are famous for making a huge deal out of this.
But that was long ago. Now it has changed. Democracy has a new definition. The most ignorant lowlife scum who breed the fastest take over the country. American Blacks and Mexicans are taking over the US, Muslims are taking over Europe and Asia.
These people have no gratitude. We give them billions of dollars and jobs and voting rights - but they never thank us. Instead they complain that we still have more than them and there should be laws to punish us for this.
Light-skinned people everywhere are slowly waking up to this fact. The world population is increasing - but world population of light skinned people is dropping. It is only a matter of time before we are minority in our own nations. Do we really want uneducated masses of the angry and envious to choose our fate for us? Can we accept the fate that they will inevitably choose?
There is another option. Is may be that it is time for democracy to die, and a new form of government to take its place.
(Please note that I have no problem with actual Mexicans in Mexico - there are plenty of Mexicans with intelligence, skill, and culture. It's the underscrape of Mexico that couldn't make it in their own country and had to move to America that I have a problem with. Similarly, I also have no problem with Africans in Africa - they don't have those deep cultural prejudices against whites that American blacks do.)
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baklava
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posted June 05, 2009 09:00 AM |
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they don't have those deep cultural prejudices against whites
What, you're supposed to hold a monopoly on cultural prejudices?
On topic.
I though the idea with voting is that people should be ABLE to vote, not FORCED to.
If people feel that all candidates are the same corrupted mutually-backstabbing crap elected over and over and over again, it's not THEIR fault, it's the fault of the candidates.
There's no reason to treat people who aren't going to vote in the next elections as criminals.
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bixie
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posted June 05, 2009 09:13 AM |
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I though the idea with voting is that people should be ABLE to vote, not FORCED to.
If people feel that all candidates are the same corrupted mutually-backstabbing crap elected over and over and over again, it's not THEIR fault, it's the fault of the candidates.
There's no reason to treat people who aren't going to vote in the next elections as criminals.
I really see it as a huge waste in potential. we have this wonderful thing, the vote, and people aren't bothering to use it. it seems absolutely moronic not to. this is meant to be a chance when the people of Britain have a say in how things are run, but people aren't using it.
BTW, Gordon brown isn't happy with the results, his party lost out so much.
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Cepheus
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posted June 05, 2009 09:21 AM |
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So who's likely to take over from him? David Cameron?
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baklava
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posted June 05, 2009 09:22 AM |
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But do you realize the imbecility of voting for people you don't like, just to, what, honour the Gods of Democracy?
Sometimes, people decide they're going to vote as soon as someone who actually deserves their vote shows up. That's hardly moronic. That's what voting should be about. You vote for the guy you like; you don't like anyone, you don't vote.
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bixie
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posted June 05, 2009 09:44 AM |
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So who's likely to take over from him? David Cameron?
possibly, it's only the council and european elections, but next year brown is going down.
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