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Consis
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posted October 30, 2009 01:24 PM |
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Suicide
In my book the greatest sin is suicide. When a person commits suicide they give no less than 10 years of suffering to everyone who loved them, like sentencing them all to prison or worse for atleast 10 years.
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ihor
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posted October 30, 2009 01:30 PM |
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Edited by ihor at 13:30, 30 Oct 2009.
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And when there are no those who love him then it is OK???
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ohforfsake
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posted October 30, 2009 01:52 PM |
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I think everyone is entitled to do with their life as they please (also ending it). Suicide is however still always the "wrong" choice, for reasons I don't think I need to type in every topic. 
So my opinion is like this:
You may do whatever you want with yourself, but if you decide to do the "wrong" thing, then you've probably not thought it through, but it doesn't mean anyone will be stopping you, because it's your decision superiorly.
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Fauch
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posted October 30, 2009 06:03 PM |
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maybe wrong but not worst.
for example, it's probably better to be dead than a slave (of course, it seems even better to be free, but sometimes death is an easier and quicker solution)
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ohforfsake
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posted October 30, 2009 06:09 PM |
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Well let's compare the scenarios.
First of all, we don't really know anything about death, so assuming the worst case possible here (which is the way to go, if it's something you don't want to happen):
Death:
Soul/Consciousness - No
Free Will - No
Freedom - No
Slave:
Soul/Consciousness - Yes
Free Will - Yes
Freedom - No
As you can see, in the slave scenario there's still hope, and that's what it really is about, as long as there's hope, as long as you've something to hold on to, even if that something is the most basic of your existance, your soul, then it does always make any given situation in life better than death, because in life, there's still hope for the reversible process, how extreme it may ever be. What you can do is to find out how (proper technology) and get the energy (ressources) required to do it.
Edit: But I do realise however, that it can get very easy to make up the unjustified conclusion of past=future, especially when the past gets long enough (and the conclusion becomes more and more justified), but as long as it can never be 100% (infinite time), then one should never accept such a decision, whereby it can never be justified.
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DagothGares
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posted October 30, 2009 06:16 PM |
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Ohforf, you're always free to do as you please. Always. just, when slaves do it, they die
They still got freedom, though.
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Darkshadow
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posted October 30, 2009 06:19 PM |
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In my book the greatest sin is suicide. When a person commits suicide they give no less than 10 years of suffering to everyone who loved them, like sentencing them all to prison or worse for atleast 10 years.
And if all those who loved him are dead?!
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Fauch
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posted October 30, 2009 07:15 PM |
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not even sure that a slave has free will.
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TheDeath
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posted October 30, 2009 07:20 PM |
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What you can do is to find out how (proper technology) and get the energy (ressources) required to do it.
By "proper technology" do you mean a big fat gun to overtake who's holding you captive?
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Edit: But I do realise however, that it can get very easy to make up the unjustified conclusion of past=future, especially when the past gets long enough (and the conclusion becomes more and more justified), but as long as it can never be 100% (infinite time), then one should never accept such a decision, whereby it can never be justified.
You succumb to much to your illusions, see what Einstein thought of past and future.  (he had reason, because of relativity obviously)
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ohforfsake
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posted October 31, 2009 06:56 AM |
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And if all those who loved him are dead?!
Then he does all in his power to resurrect them.
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not even sure that a slave has free will.
I understand free will as the possibility to choose your own action, and then your body will obey, if you don't have that, then you're more of a robot in my book, and it would also mean that someone should be controlling your actions (making the decisions, eventhough you make other decisions).
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Ohforf, you're always free to do as you please. Always. just, when slaves do it, they die
They still got freedom, though.
I'd rather call that free will (they can decide their own actions), because to have freedom, the actions they decide (depending on the level of freedom) should not have consequences.
As an example, just disobeing the orders and go for a nap, would probably make them torture you, so you don't do it again (also they'll stop you from your nap pretty soon, when realising it).
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By "proper technology" do you mean a big fat gun to overtake who's holding you captive?
It depends on the person, and the situation. I'd not be pleased with killing anyone so a gun would be too "low tech" for me, or at least not the proper (right) tech for my situation. However, let's assume you didn't care about those who held you captive, then a gun would most likely solve your problem.
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You succumb to much to your illusions, see what Einstein thought of past and future. (he had reason, because of relativity obviously)
For me to see it, you must link to it.
Also Einsteins name alone does not make impressive, nor right, you've to explain why you call (what exactly?) illusions for me to be convinced.
Btw. what I wrote was based on the way of the scientific method.
You don't prove anything, you make it sufficient likely to be accepted as knowledge or "truth", if you want.
That means taking numerous of tests, making the given statement (past=future, for the given person) more and more likely, because the longer you're in the same situation, the more probable would you expect to stay in the same situation.
What I'm then saying is, that since this method never (requires infinite long time) can produce 100% certainity, then there's always hope, and as long as there's hope, it does not make any sense to do suicide.
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TheDeath
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posted October 31, 2009 05:12 PM |
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It depends on the person, and the situation. I'd not be pleased with killing anyone so a gun would be too "low tech" for me, or at least not the proper (right) tech for my situation. However, let's assume you didn't care about those who held you captive, then a gun would most likely solve your problem.
I don't think it really depends on the person as long as someone keeps you captive. What possible technology could you think of? Remember for every "defensive" technology there's also "offensive" technology that can be used against you.
To you, "proper technology" would be let's say a wall. To the captors, "proper technology" would be a cannon...
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For me to see it, you must link to it.
Also Einsteins name alone does not make impressive, nor right, you've to explain why you call (what exactly?) illusions for me to be convinced.
I meant due to relativity.
I think the quote went like this (off the top of my head): The distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion
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That means taking numerous of tests, making the given statement (past=future, for the given person) more and more likely, because the longer you're in the same situation, the more probable would you expect to stay in the same situation.
What I'm then saying is, that since this method never (requires infinite long time) can produce 100% certainity, then there's always hope, and as long as there's hope, it does not make any sense to do suicide.
I'm talking about theoretical physics here.
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Fauch
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posted October 31, 2009 06:36 PM |
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It depends on the person, and the situation. I'd not be pleased with killing anyone so a gun would be too "low tech" for me, or at least not the proper (right) tech for my situation. However, let's assume you didn't care about those who held you captive, then a gun would most likely solve your problem.
and if their guns are bigger than yours?
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posted November 02, 2009 02:07 PM |
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Azagal
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posted November 02, 2009 02:09 PM |
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Worst comeback post ever.
Still fun to have you back xD.
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