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Shares
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posted March 02, 2010 11:06 AM |
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AMD Turion II Ultra Dual Core Mobile processor M620
2.50 GHz, Up to 3.6 GT/s, 2 MB L2 Cache
6 GB MB DDR2 System Memory
640 GB 5400RPM hard drive
DVD LightScribe drive with SuperMulti DVD+R/RW And BlueRay drive with double layer support
Wired Ethernet; Wireless WiFi
Connect to a broadband modem with 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet; connect wirelessly to a WiFi network or hotspot with built-in 802.11a/b/g/n WLAN; High speed 56k modem
17.3 Diagonal HD+ LED HP BrightView Widescreen display
1600x900 resolution; ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 Graphics with 2815 MB Display Cache Memory
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So this is what you're going on(that sounds kinda sarcastic and condesending, doesn't it(it's not supposed to ))? Well, I could go over every product, saying that they're fair, quite good and reliable products, but I wont. I think that rig will do good.
My personal opinion though, is to go for fast memories, rather than big(same with harddrives), but I know that most people diagree with me (I currently have a heavy gaming computer, with only 4 GB memory, and only 250 GB disk space). So just disregard this, will you?
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Elit
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posted March 02, 2010 12:15 PM |
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AMD Turion II Ultra Dual Core Mobile processor M620
2.50 GHz, Up to 3.6 GT/s, 2 MB L2 Cache
6 GB MB DDR2 System Memory
640 GB 5400RPM hard drive
DVD LightScribe drive with SuperMulti DVD+R/RW And BlueRay drive with double layer support
Wired Ethernet; Wireless WiFi
Connect to a broadband modem with 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet; connect wirelessly to a WiFi network or hotspot with built-in 802.11a/b/g/n WLAN; High speed 56k modem
17.3 Diagonal HD+ LED HP BrightView Widescreen display
1600x900 resolution; ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 Graphics with 2815 MB Display Cache Memory
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So this is what you're going on(that sounds kinda sarcastic and condesending, doesn't it(it's not supposed to))? Well, I could go over every product, saying that they're fair, quite good and reliable products, but I wont. I think that rig will do good.
My personal opinion though, is to go for fast memories, rather than big(same with harddrives), but I know that most people diagree with me (I currently have a heavy gaming computer, with only 4 GB memory, and only 250 GB disk space). So just disregard this, will you?
Here have huge difference from pc and laptop. About memory DDR3 is better from DDR2 but not because he is much faster...its because more economic. Performance difference from fastest DDR2 VS "slowest" DDR2
will give in real programs ~3-5% difference. 4gb ram is better from 2gb ram but from 4 to 6-8-12 gb ram here no gains. Most programs are 32bit and cant use over 2gb total ram so 4gb is enough. Its good HDD to be fast but to be bigger is much more important (for laptop). You use hdd when win load and when you start game for load it. Few sec speed cant cover less size. ATM every one use his computer for HD movies and they are big.
What miss in this configuration is ESATA and HDMI. Its important to check your new laptop to have both!
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Jinxer
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posted March 02, 2010 02:27 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 14:54, 02 Mar 2010.
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Hi, Jinxer
I have few question and after it can give you my suggestion.
1. How much money you are ready to spend for new laptop.
2. Do you plan to use him a lot on battery or most from time will be connect to electro.
3. For what you want to use your laptop(movies/new games and more)?
1 = Set my self a budget of $1000
2 = 99.9% of time almost always plugged into electric.
3 = Movies / Games / Internet mainly.. but want to beable to do other stuff if want to.
And here are the 2 computers I have been tossing back and forth.. on min I have my mind made up.. the next I want to go other way..
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AMD Turion II Ultra Dual Core Mobile processor M620
2.50 GHz, Up to 3.6 GT/s, 2 MB L2 Cache
6 GB MB DDR2 System Memory
640 GB 5400RPM hard drive
DVD LightScribe drive with SuperMulti DVD+R/RW And BlueRay drive with double layer support
Wired Ethernet; Wireless WiFi
Connect to a broadband modem with 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet; connect wirelessly to a WiFi network or hotspot with built-in 802.11a/b/g/n WLAN; High speed 56k modem
17.3 Diagonal HD+ LED HP BrightView Widescreen display
1600x900 resolution; ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 Graphics with 2815 MB Display Cache Memory
Windows 7 (64Bit)
Price = $840 + $150 8GBMemUpgrade = $990 Total Price
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Intel Core 2 Duo processor P8700 (2.53GHz/3MB L2 Cache/1066MHz FSB)
4GB DDR2 SDRAM
(500GB) 7200rpm SATA Hard Drive
Lightscribe Super Multi 8X DVD+-RW w/Double Layer
17.3" WXGA BrightView Wide-Screen Infinity LCD- (1600x900)
1GB Dedicated ATI Radeon HD4650 Video Graphic
802.11AGN WLAN
Built-in Camera/Microphone
Windows 7 (64 bit)
Price = $775 + $275 8GBMemUpgrade = $1050 Total Price
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My latest idea was to lean toward option #2... and just purchase an upgrade to 6GB memory.
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TheDeath
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posted March 02, 2010 03:22 PM |
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Just a question, what do you need 6GB or 8GB of RAM for??? 4GB should be plenty for what you plan to do with it (3GB for apps actually) -- unless you do some heavy 3D modelling or audio processing or video/image editing or stuff with it.
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Jinxer
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posted March 02, 2010 03:39 PM |
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Can someone tell me about this??
512MB DDR3 NVIDIA SLI Dual GeForce 8700MGT
Dual NVIDIA SLI graphics-capability with DirectX 10, so two graphics processing units can run in parallel for up to twice the performance of a single card.
1028 MB (1GB) of dedicated video RAM can ensure fast graphics.
But then it says 1 Gig.. so the dual cards work together? To give me 1 Gig? Does this work as good as it sounds?
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TheDeath
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posted March 02, 2010 03:43 PM |
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Edited by TheDeath at 15:44, 02 Mar 2010.
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Don't be fooled, they probably already added up the two cards in the marketing, so you have only 1GB not 2GB... also performance is not twice, I've seen benchmarks with only ~30% increase or so.
(one of the problems is that each card has its own 512MB RAM, so it can't access the other one's memory if it wanted to fast)
EDIT: also why go for 8xxx series?
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Elit
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posted March 02, 2010 03:53 PM |
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Both are similar good but better get 1st because he have BlueRay drive,For laptop HDD 5400RPM is standard and for PC 7200rpm. Getting laptop with hdd 7200 mean he will be more hot and you can have problems in summer, for this get bigerr size on 5400RPM. Both processors are new 45 micron and very good. You don't need over 4GB ram so if laptop have 6 don't give money for more.
Its important manufacture for laptop. DELL/HP/Asus are good brand and have good support. When you choice model make sure he have eSATA! Its very important and most laptop don't have it. Second Make sure your laptop have HDMI so you can connect it to big monitor/TV. Make sure its support WIFI -->N-its new high speed standard. Need to have Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR or 3.0<--so you can send pic from your phone to laptop for example. You need 4GB ram no more if you don't plan to use Photo shop or other professional programs for design. If you plan to use get 8GB ram and Intel processor.
Best post link with different models so we can comment them. Will be more easy for you and us.
P.S. Its crap how CHEAP are all laptops in USA 
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Elit
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posted March 02, 2010 03:56 PM |
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Can someone tell me about this??
512MB DDR3 NVIDIA SLI Dual GeForce 8700MGT
Dual NVIDIA SLI graphics-capability with DirectX 10, so two graphics processing units can run in parallel for up to twice the performance of a single card.
1028 MB (1GB) of dedicated video RAM can ensure fast graphics.
But then it says 1 Gig.. so the dual cards work together? To give me 1 Gig? Does this work as good as it sounds?
If you want good video card its expensive and you need to get from new AMD 5000 series (DX11). Don't go after NVIDIA they don't have any new card from over 1 years...just give new names on his old card and sell them again.
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Jinxer
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posted March 02, 2010 04:02 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 16:04, 02 Mar 2010.
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EDIT: also why go for 8xxx series?
I honestly have NO idea what I am doing.. I am trying to be and get as informed as possible.. and get the very best that I can for a decent price. I realize I can spend $1200 $2000 $5000 on laptops.. but based on what I will be doing with it.. A $1000 machine will likely be more then enough.. But still I want to make sure before I buy.
I have looked at hundreds of brands and setups of laptops.. and it is MIND NUMBING. SO far every Single one of them has had ALL but 1 feature that I am looking for.
One person tells me that 6GB or 8GB ram is a must and that I will for sure notice a much better performace.. then the next person tells me that 4GB is more then enough and that most of the games and applications wont see the memory above 4 much anyways, so its a waste.. lol..
To be honest here is what I really do on my laptop as a rule.. I play Heroes 5, Internet Poker, Watch Movies and surf the internet. Every now and then, my boys will load and play BattleField 2 which is my most graphically demanding game that I currently have. My Current Machine with 2GB ram and 256 Dedicated Video, runs that game pretty decent, but I am sure it could get better, but I have nothing to compare it to.
But the point is.. even tho I dont do much more then that... who knows what I might be into 6 months from now.. Maybe I decide to buy the latest Graphically intense game... I would like to beable to play it.. I realize that I may not have the TOP notch system that could always run it perfect.. but I still wanna beable to run it decent enough to enjoy it right..
So with that idea in mind.. If I get the Machine with Intel P8700 2.53 Ghz and 4GB ram and 1 Gig dedicated Memory accomplish all of this? As I said.. even tho this is 4X better then my current machine in almost every aspect, it sounds like from most that it still is an inferior machine.
On the same note.. I have seen machines with very similar processors and ram etc.. but maybe the more expensive one has DDR3 ram and a Fancier Nvidia GH590GT.999XXI Sli Multi Ultra Better then GOD graphics card.. that also has 1gig Dedicated.. But unless I am competeing in the WORLD Gamers League where I need that split sec response time where noticing that NANO Sec of lag that isnt visible to the naked eye is required.. will I really notice the differnce enough to justify spending an extra 300-400 BUCKS?
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TheDeath
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posted March 02, 2010 04:06 PM |
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Edited by TheDeath at 16:08, 02 Mar 2010.
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Elit, why do you insist on eSATA??? It just offers faster speed than USB, and only few devices (e.g: external HDDs) use it. I doubt it should be a priority at all.
It's not even much faster if the external hard-drive is slow (like a laptop HDD, for instance).
Jinxer: for gaming, 4GB is enough atm. Even if the OS uses 1GB for its own purposes (like the bloated Vista/7 OSes).
You can always upgrade later on anyway, if you'll need it -- later means cheaper. 
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posted March 02, 2010 04:18 PM |
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Thanks Death.. good point on being able to upgrade later...
@ Elit....
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Both processors are new 45 micron and very good.
So your saying these will both perform the same since they are both 2.5Ghz? I wont notice any difference? Never any compatibility issues? Or any issues? Intel just sounds safer.. cause its much better name.. but maybe I am just tainted with Intels better marketing.. maybe AMD is a hidden Giant that just doesnt get the exposure.. So Elit.. can you shed some raw facts on these 2 processors performance comparing to each other.
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TheDeath
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posted March 02, 2010 04:27 PM |
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No he meant that both are in the same generation, built on 45nm (nanometers btw, not micrometers, Elit wrong ). Obviously smaller is better, it means more transistors per chip usually.
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posted March 02, 2010 04:44 PM |
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EDIT: also why go for 8xxx series?
One person tells me that 6GB or 8GB ram is a must and that I will for sure notice a much better performace.. then the next person tells me that 4GB is more then enough and that most of the games and applications wont see the memory above 4 much anyways, so its a waste.. lol..
To be honest here is what I really do on my laptop as a rule.. I play Heroes 5, Internet Poker, Watch Movies and surf the internet. Every now and then, my boys will load and play BattleField 2 which is my most graphically demanding game that I currently have. My Current Machine with 2GB ram and 256 Dedicated Video, runs that game pretty decent, but I am sure it could get better, but I have nothing to compare it to.
Winxp/vista/7/32 have limit to 3.2GB ram winxp/vista/7/x64 don't have this limit and can use much more ram. Problem is 99.9% from all programs are 32bit and they have limit from 2gb ram for his personal use. If your computer have 4GB ram its will be much more from enough for any 1 program+for all windows system programs. Only if you use 64bit programs they can use more from 2gb ram. For this 4GB is enough for home/gamer users. If you want to pay extra 150$ use them for better video card not for 2-4GB extra ram. Its much more effective.
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Elit, why do you insist on eSATA??? It just offers faster speed than USB, and only few devices (e.g: external HDDs) use it. I doubt it should be a priority at all.
It's not even much faster if the external hard-drive is slow (like a laptop HDD, for instance).
Its don't matter how big HDD you have its will end 1 day and you need external for store your data. If you try to copy 30GB moves with USB2 and eSATA you can see difference
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Thanks Death.. good point on being able to upgrade later...
@ Elit....
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Both processors are new 45 micron and very good.
So your saying these will both perform the same since they are both 2.5Ghz? I wont notice any difference? Never any compatibility issues? Or any issues? Intel just sounds safer.. cause its much better name.. but maybe I am just tainted with Intels better marketing.. maybe AMD is a hidden Giant that just doesnt get the exposure.. So Elit.. can you shed some raw facts on these 2 processors performance comparing to each other.
Cant give atm, this AMD procesor is very new. Here wont be huge difference from both processors. They will do all what you need for sure.
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Jinxer
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posted March 02, 2010 07:29 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 19:47, 02 Mar 2010.
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OKay... after all this I might go the safe route.. I found the following laptop at the local Best Buy...
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OPTION #1
ASUS Brand
Intel® Core™2 Duo mobile processor P8700
Features 2 processing cores, 1066MHz system bus, 3MB L2 cache and 2.53GHz processor speed per core.
6GB DDR2 memory
Multiformat DVD±RW/CD-RW drive with double-layer support
17.3" LED-backlit LCD high-definition plus widescreen display
With 1600 x 900 resolution
500GB Serial ATA hard drive (5400 rpm) 1 E-SATA connection for added convenience.
Built-in facial recognition
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260M graphics
Features 1GB GDDR3 video memory for lush images. HDMI output for connecting to an HDTV. 2 built-in speakers with DSP and Dolby Home Theater support.
Built-in 1.3MP webcam
8-in-1 media reader
Built-in wireless LAN (802.11b/g/n)
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64-bit
Total $1,065
And I can see it first hand before I buy and its brand new not refurbished like my other candidates. Anyone every used ASUS or heard of them? How do they rate?
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OPTION #2
Toshiba-Qosmio Laptop
Intel® Core™ i5-430M processor
Features a 3MB L3 cache and 2.53GHz processor speed.
Features smart 4-way processing performance with a speed boost.
Intel® Turbo Boost Technology
4GB DDR3 memory
Multiformat DVD±RW/CD-RW drive with double-layer support
18.4" TFT-LCD high-definition plus widescreen display
With TruBrite technology and 1680 x 945 resolution
500GB Serial ATA hard drive (7200 rpm)
NVIDIA GeForce GTS 360M graphics
With 1GB GDDR5 discrete graphics memory and up to 1274MB dynamically allocated shared memory (2298MB total) using NVIDIA TurboCache technology. HDMI-CEC port.
Harman/Kardon stereo speakers
With Dolby Home Theater support.
Built-in webcam and microphone
Multiformat media reader
Supports Secure Digital, Secure Digital High Capacity, Memory Stick,
1 eSATA/USB combo port.
Built-in wireless LAN (802.11b/g/n)
Built-in Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR (Enhanced Data Rate) interface
Easily link with other Bluetooth-enabled devices, such as mobile phones or MP3 players.
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64-bit
Price = $1,171
So $100 more I get 18.4 inch display and better Graphics Card.. Better Processor I guess.. even tho its same Ghz.. But I lose from 6GB DDR2 down to 4GB DDR3.. but is the gains outweigh the one loss? ANd will the DDR3 kinda make up for it also?
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samiekl
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posted March 02, 2010 07:30 PM |
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Here' my laptop. Windows Xp and 4 GB RAM upgraded. Works flawless. You can play heroes 5, watch movies, browse, etc. 1000 $. Want it?  Or I can trade it with a mac book pro.
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Elit
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posted March 02, 2010 08:01 PM |
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OKay... after all this I might go the safe route.. I found the following laptop at the local Best Buy...
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OPTION #1
ASUS Brand
Intel® Core™2 Duo mobile processor P8700
Features 2 processing cores, 1066MHz system bus, 3MB L2 cache and 2.53GHz processor speed per core.
6GB DDR2 memory
Multiformat DVD±RW/CD-RW drive with double-layer support
17.3" LED-backlit LCD high-definition plus widescreen display
With 1600 x 900 resolution
500GB Serial ATA hard drive (5400 rpm) 1 E-SATA connection for added convenience.
Built-in facial recognition
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260M graphics
Features 1GB GDDR3 video memory for lush images. HDMI output for connecting to an HDTV. 2 built-in speakers with DSP and Dolby Home Theater support.
Built-in 1.3MP webcam
8-in-1 media reader
Built-in wireless LAN (802.11b/g/n)
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64-bit
Total $1,065
And I can see it first hand before I buy and its brand new not refurbished like my other candidates. Anyone every used ASUS or heard of them? How do they rate?
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OPTION #2
Toshiba-Qosmio Laptop
Intel® Core™ i5-430M processor
Features a 3MB L3 cache and 2.53GHz processor speed.
Features smart 4-way processing performance with a speed boost.
Intel® Turbo Boost Technology
4GB DDR3 memory
Multiformat DVD±RW/CD-RW drive with double-layer support
18.4" TFT-LCD high-definition plus widescreen display
With TruBrite technology and 1680 x 945 resolution
500GB Serial ATA hard drive (7200 rpm)
NVIDIA GeForce GTS 360M graphics
With 1GB GDDR5 discrete graphics memory and up to 1274MB dynamically allocated shared memory (2298MB total) using NVIDIA TurboCache technology. HDMI-CEC port.
Harman/Kardon stereo speakers
With Dolby Home Theater support.
Built-in webcam and microphone
Multiformat media reader
Supports Secure Digital, Secure Digital High Capacity, Memory Stick,
1 eSATA/USB combo port.
Built-in wireless LAN (802.11b/g/n)
Built-in Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR (Enhanced Data Rate) interface
Easily link with other Bluetooth-enabled devices, such as mobile phones or MP3 players.
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64-bit
Price = $1,171
So $100 more I get 18.4 inch display and better Graphics Card.. Better Processor I guess.. even tho its same Ghz.. But I lose from 6GB DDR2 down to 4GB DDR3.. but is the gains outweigh the one loss? ANd will the DDR3 kinda make up for it also?
For this money first one its very good. Asus is very good brand, so far my favorite. DON'T get Toshiba (my last job i sell a lot from them and know how good they are)! Video card 360M is slowest from GTX260M. Just get Asus and you wont have problems for home use next 5 years. If you want much better Video from this got: Mobility Radeon HD 5870 DX11. All other video cards are DX10,1 or DX10.
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samiekl
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posted March 02, 2010 08:32 PM |
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DON'T get Toshiba (my last job i sell a lot from them and know how good they are)!
Bull... As long as it's Intel, Toshiba (Satellite or Satellite Pro) kicks ass on its price segment. But I'm curious though, what are their issues? Because, I use it for programming, recordings and audio editing (external soundcard, but doh...), gaming (well, when i used to play heroes), sometimes video/audio conferences and I had no problem in 2 years, used on daily basis. Add to that the fact that I've been carrying it on public transportation, car, airplane almost daily... So... issues? Or am I just lucky?
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Jinxer
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posted March 02, 2010 08:37 PM |
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Yea I am curious also... and ALSO could you be more specific on how and why you say the 360M card is slower and worse card?
DDR3 vs. GDDR5 sounds like the GDDR5 is newer and better? Or is there a basis for your statement?
I make my decision tomorrow morning.. so hoping to get this all ironed out
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Towerlord
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posted March 02, 2010 09:26 PM |
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Jinxer, pure names like DDR5 vs DDR3( or numbers 260 , 360) don't tell the whole story... Elit is right, the GTX 260M is better than the GTS 360M.
Check out this link from nvidia, perhaps you'll understand better how they rank their cards.
GTX is Enthusiast level of an older generation with 112 processor cores vs GTS is only high performance with only 96 processor cores.
And in the end Elit is right again, if Radeon 5870M is out(not sure about it), you should get it, cause it's much better than all the other options here, and it will be much more future proof being DX11.
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Jinxer
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posted March 02, 2010 09:51 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 23:29, 02 Mar 2010.
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OKAY OKAY... I just had a BRAIN FADE!! Check this out... ONe of my Previous contenders.. is option #1
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Option #1
HP Pavilion DV7T 17.3" NOTEBOOK PC (INTEL CORE 2 DUO P8700 2.53GHz
4GB RAM
500GB 7200rpm DUAL HDD
17.3" WXGA HIGH-DEFINITION 1600x900 LCD
Lightscribe SuperMulti DVD+/-R/RW
1GB ATI Radeon HD4650
Windows 7...64bit
Total Price $775.00 - Refurbished - 90 Day Warrenty
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Option #2
ASUS Brand (INTEL CORE 2 DUO P8700 2.53GHz processor)
6GB DDR2 memory
Multiformat DVD±RW/CD-RW drive with double-layer support
17.3" LED-backlit LCD high-definition plus widescreen display
With 1600 x 900 resolution
500GB Serial ATA hard drive (5400 rpm) 1 E-SATA connection
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260M graphics-Features 1GB GDDR3 video memory
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64-bit
Total $1,065 -Brand New - 1 Year Warrenty!!
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So these are Virtually Identical.. except for the Memory... and the video card.. which I have found or been told are pretty much about the same thing and will perform the same.. So there is $300 difference in price..( actually $362 since I will get $62 BING cash back.. so even if I spend $150 to make it 6GB Ram I still am couple hundred bucks cheaper.. Seems obvious which one!>!>!>! UNLESS I AM missing something.. feel free to point it out.. I am brain numb after all the stuff I been researching.
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