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@OhforfSake: techniqually, yes, as long as it fits in with the rules I have posted.
@ Jirika
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6) where would you place your religion?
I repeat my question: What do you mean by this question?
where do you place your religion in the grand scheme of things, how right do you think you're religion is...I think.
Shares came up with it.
I'm sorry I didn't answer you're question, and I hope that's a little better clarification.
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With my question I'm just asking you to brand yourself. Would you call yourself a Christian Protestant, Catholic, Jew, Atheist, Agnostic, whatever etc. It will not add much to the actual discussion, rather the opposite by removing parts of it where people ask questions about your belief. If you can say that you're a christian, then we can skip the simple, but necessary, questions. Like: "Do you believe that Jesus was the son of god?"
me personally, I worship and believe in a great many number of things, so I have always classified myself as agnostical Polytheistic, though this is a very relaxed for of worship, as I only believe in something that I can respect. I worship gods of ideas, really, who didn't make heaven and the earth, but are manifest through our progression as a species, more personifications of ideas. I worship the concept of knowledge as a being that knows alot, but doesn't know all the answers, and is willing to find it out, as well as a jealous and vengeful god against fraudsters and spreaders of ignorance. Likewise, I worship the concept of love as having a bit of bipolar disorder, one minute a gentle and kind soul, the next a crazy and wild sex machine, one being rather weak, the other being extremely treacherous.
by that respect, you could say I believe in the human race as a whole. and as for Jesus being the son of god, I say that his divinity takes away from his message of love and respect. If an all powerful, all loving god, or his incarnation, said that, then that implies that no human would have thought of it, and we need someone else to teach us this, and I can't abide by that. We are a naturally loving and caring species, as well as fantastically curious and intelligent, and to say that we are like that thanks to some sort of sky daddy is a massive disrespect on our species.
I hope that satisfies you're question, Shares.
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posted April 15, 2010 02:29 AM |
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Rule 1: Some questions are too silly to answer. If I get asked 20 questions by 5 different people I don't have time to answer all the silly stuff.
Rule 2: Evidence can be objective or subjective. Not everyone accepts the same things as evidence.
Rule 3: Silly stuff can be simply dismissed. Non-serious questions.
Rule 4: As to what religons are good/evil and if all are equal, that is your personal opinion. I accept that everyone has the right to follow whatever religion they wish, but I don't accetp that all religinos are equally true.
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1) how do you let Religion affect your day to day life. friends, work, family, etc, etc.
Being a Christian affects how I treat others, the activities I engage in, and my relationship with God. I see each person as someone of worth apart from what they can do for me or for society.
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2) How did you choose you're religion, and if you didn't, are there any others that you admire or respect?
My earliest memories are of wondering about God. I realized I was a sinner as a yonug boy and repented of my sins. It wasn't for several years that I asked to be baptized. My parents were Baptists so I was going to a Baptist church.
As a late teen I witnessed a miraculous healing of my sister which shook my theological foundations because I had been taught the gifts of the Spirit had ceased with the death of the last apostle. I prayed and studied the Bible and found that I had been taught wrong. I prayed for the baptism with the Spirit and now I am tongue-talking Pentecostal.
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3) How does religion affect you're oppinions, politics, and social ideals?
A person's "religious views" can't be separated from his "political viewpoints." If you are an atheist you see the world through an atheistic worldview. I see the world from the enlightened viewpoints of Christianity.
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4) How do you think you're religion has contributed towards getting society where it is today?
The West has been profoundly influenced by Christianity for the better though a previous poster said he believes it had an adverse effect. It is a primary reason the West is more advanced and "civilized" than other parts of the world.
The impact of Christianity
NOTE: Bixie, I did not do a backgroung check of the author of the article or his first cousins.  I did not read the entire website to see if their viewpoints match all of mine. I do not necessarily endorce everthing on the page I linked to.
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5) what do you think we did before religion?
You assume there was a time when "religion" did not exist and man did. But God has reached out to man since man came to be.
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6) where would you place your religion?
I would say Christianity came about by divine revelation.
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7)What is your current religion?
Christianity. I am a oneness apostolic Pentecostal.
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8) what is your definition of religion? not using wikipedia or googling it, your own words to decribe it, please.
A person's collective ideas, thoughts, and opinions about spirits, deity, life after death, our obligations to our fellow man and God, morality, ect.
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Until sixth grade, I thought the very idea of God is ridiculous and that it was something that people only believed in the Middle Ages and was now only for uneducated old people. Then I discovered that actual people believed in God. I still think it's ridiculous, though. Somewhere around the same time, my parents forced me to go to church a few times. It was boring and pointless
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I find the idea of atheismto be rediculous. I'll avoid using phrases like "uneducated old peole" though. I find it amazing that you had never met anyone other than an "uneducated old person" who believed in God by the sixth grade.
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posted April 15, 2010 02:40 AM |
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8) what is your definition of religion? not using wikipedia or googling it, your own words to decribe it, please.
A lot of people probably won't agree with me, and I wrote this on FB a little while ago, but I basically think that Religion is comfort for the weak. I think this because most people are afraid of death in some form or another, and if they think that there is an afterlife or some sort of place that you may go when you have died, then it brings a slight bit of relief, to a point. Knowing that there might be "something" after we die on Earth. I don't have a problem with Christians or people of other faiths, nor am I bashing Christians or anybody that belives in Religion, I just don't agree with it and I don't follow it and I am happy with that. 
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posted April 15, 2010 04:57 AM |
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I find the idea of atheismto be rediculous. I'll avoid using phrases like "uneducated old peole" though. I find it amazing that you had never met anyone other than an "uneducated old person" who believed in God by the sixth grade.
That's what I thought then. I obviously don't think that any more. And I'm sure I had met people who believed in God before then, but they were never vocal enough for me to notice.
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posted April 15, 2010 09:06 AM |
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Welcome aboard, Elodin
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Rule 1: Some questions are too silly to answer. If I get asked 20 questions by 5 different people I don't have time to answer all the silly stuff.
then allow yourself time to do so.
I should have probably put a rule in involving no rhetorical questions (because I assume that's the ones you are refering to), but to simply dismiss a question and leave it unanswered means that you leave the questioner disatisfied. as I have said, if you didn't answer it immediately, then if brought up again, you must answer it.
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Rule 2: Evidence can be objective or subjective. Not everyone accepts the same things as evidence.
I agree with you on this. However, if it is subjective, then explain how it affects you're argument.
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Rule 3: Silly stuff can be simply dismissed. Non-serious questions.
If by silly stuff you mean if I posted something to you saying
"codfishes nipples!"
then I can understand if you dismiss it because I was probably off my rocker. I wouldn't approve, as I would expect you to counter with something equally non-sensical, but I would atleast understand.
However, as exampled in the masterpost, intellectual and evidence based arguments cannot be simply dismissed. if a point has evidence to back it up, it's got too much weight to simply be dismissed.
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Rule 4: As to what religons are good/evil and if all are equal, that is your personal opinion. I accept that everyone has the right to follow whatever religion they wish, but I don't accetp that all religinos are equally true.
and I respect you're choice to make that, Elodin, but for the purposes of this thread, all views on religion are equal. Atheism gets no more special treatment than christianity, Or Islam or my personal beliefs.
This is really a point about saying that there is good and evil in all relgions, and the rule is placed there so that people understand that they and their religions and beliefs are not above scrutiny, including myself. you make say that my... worship of concepts is foolish, and I'm not begrudging you that.
As for whether any religions are true, then, again, that is you're personal opinion and I am not denying it. if you believe your branch of christianity is true, then explain why you think so.
Also, a great skill for people who are searching for the truth, is admitting when they are wrong. I trust you have this skill, as you will need it here, as will I, Shares, Corribus, William, Mvass, and everyone else who enters this debating ring.
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1) how do you let Religion affect your day to day life. friends, work, family, etc, etc.
Being a Christian affects how I treat others, the activities I engage in, and my relationship with God. I see each person as someone of worth apart from what they can do for me or for society.
and by a person of worth, what do you mean exactly? a possible convert? a naturally good person?
and how does god affect you're the activities you engage in? How does it affect your relationships with your family? or your relationships with your friends?
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2) How did you choose you're religion, and if you didn't, are there any others that you admire or respect?
My earliest memories are of wondering about God. I realized I was a sinner as a yonug boy and repented of my sins. It wasn't for several years that I asked to be baptized. My parents were Baptists so I was going to a Baptist church.
fair enough. everyone wonders about god.
I went to a christian school when I was 8, and we were made to sing hymns and prayer (might not sound particularly christian to you, but in the UK, that's the christian school norm). I wondered about god there, wondering how, with all the suffering, god just sat up there. I went to the priest and asked him about god (nice man). He said that I was of too inquistive mind, and I was asking the wrong questions. I asked him what were the right ones?
"what can you do for god?"
I remember my counterargument quite clearly, it's what got me suspended for a week.
"But god is an all powerful being, isn't he? so what we do for him is pointless, as he could do all that in an a few minutes. If he is all powerful, then why does he need people helping him, or people to defend the faith?"
After that experience, Mainstream religions just didn't do it for me, so I looked around. that's how I came to my worship of concepts.
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As a late teen I witnessed a miraculous healing of my sister which shook my theological foundations because I had been taught the gifts of the Spirit had ceased with the death of the last apostle. I prayed and studied the Bible and found that I had been taught wrong. I prayed for the baptism with the Spirit and now I am tongue-talking Pentecostal.
I can't really comment on that, having really only a few dominiations of christianity in england I can name (quakers, Anglicans, Catholics and protestants).
Also I note you say "I had been taught wrong", placing the blaim on you're teachers rather than "I was wrong". It's ok to be wrong sometimes. "To err is to human"
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3) How does religion affect you're oppinions, politics, and social ideals?
A person's "religious views" can't be separated from his "political viewpoints." If you are an atheist you see the world through an atheistic worldview. I see the world from the enlightened viewpoints of Christianity.
"Enlightened viewpoints": this is a warning, no religious view point has any higher authority spiritually, socially or politically in this thread.
what I meant by that question is does it affect how you vote, what social ideals you follow, you're oppinions on certian issues.
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4) How do you think you're religion has contributed towards getting society where it is today?
The West has been profoundly influenced by Christianity for the better though a previous poster said he believes it had an adverse effect. It is a primary reason the West is more advanced and "civilized" than other parts of the world.
The impact of Christianity
NOTE: Bixie, I did not do a backgroung check of the author of the article or his first cousins. I did not read the entire website to see if their viewpoints match all of mine. I do not necessarily endorce everthing on the page I linked to.
It's ok, Elodin, we've had this conversation in the old thread, and I proved you wrong there. 
and I say to that what I say in the other. Plato's republic, founding of the enlightenment, the french revolution, your country, and all the ideals about equal rights to every citizen involved. When you think of western Ideals, It mainly owes it to greek thinking, not christian.
this is also help that alot of the wealthier classes, the ones who could actually make a difference, recieved Classical education. kids as young as 8 in this class were expected to read Aristotle, Plato, and Euripides, as well as be accomplished in horse-riding, falconry, local politics, and economics.
They were not expected to be accomplished in the bible unless they were to go into the church (it was always the second son who did that), though it was recommended. if they went there, they could never engage in politics or areas that weilded power, as in england, america, france, germany and all the other superpowers of the time had seperated the church from the state.
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5) what do you think we did before religion?
You assume there was a time when "religion" did not exist and man did. But God has reached out to man since man came to be.
well, I don't know.
What of Cave men, the very earliest period in Homosapiens history. the earliest of hunter gatherers. so far, in these societies at least, we've found very little record in terms of a religious practice. probably because they were too busy hunting and gathering.
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6) where would you place your religion?
I would say Christianity came about by divine revelation.
agian, fair enough, but in here, Yahweh has no more power than Allah or the flying spaghetti monster.
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7)What is your current religion?
Christianity. I am a oneness apostolic Pentecostal.
cool, cool.
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8) what is your definition of religion? not using wikipedia or googling it, your own words to decribe it, please.
A person's collective ideas, thoughts, and opinions about spirits, deity, life after death, our obligations to our fellow man and God, morality, ect.
so you don't count paganism as a religion, or shinto, or Hinduism, (the last is the third largest religion in the world) as they worship multiple gods.
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posted April 15, 2010 09:58 AM |
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With my question I'm just asking you to brand yourself. Would you call yourself a Christian Protestant, Catholic, Jew, Atheist, Agnostic, whatever etc. It will not add much to the actual discussion, rather the opposite by removing parts of it where people ask questions about your belief. If you can say that you're a christian, then we can skip the simple, but necessary, questions. Like: "Do you believe that Jesus was the son of god?"
I don'T see myself in any of such groups. I have a bit of agnostic, but, as I see agnosticism, it's not truly my religion. I'm far from being atheistic, today, imo. I can tell you my belief, and my belief is something developing through my life, a changing thing, not a constant one, I fear. I once was more scientific oriented in my belief, so mroe atheistic, but I realized, slowly, that I wasn't really atheistic. An atheist says: there's no god. How could I say that. I heard of agnosticism and thought: Oh, doesn't it fit me good? ... Now I'm just not sure bout it anymore. If, you could probably best put me as a 'weak' agnostic, meaning I say: "I don't know!" when you ask me: "Is there a god, or higher being." or "Do you believe that Jesus was the son of god?" or similar things. Yet I belief there are things beyond the current, scientific, rational understanding of the world, as I feel many people have (which can be terribly wrong, I'm not too good in udnerstanding others, also I can only speak for my country). I think there are things, powers maybe?, that the "public opinion" and science, mostly do not accept as real. Maybe I am wrong and they Do, but I think they not. It's a lot about 'feeling', indeed.
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8) what is your definition of religion? not using wikipedia or googling it, your own words to decribe it, please.
hmmm, religion is an abstract construct of men. You could say it is for belief, what states are for laws and "genres" are for music or such things: the sum of people who share certain (many) aspects of belief. It is, I guess, usual and useful, but not necessary that they practice their religion together. A hermit living lonely on a mountain can have the same religion as a big community 1000 miles away (unless the religion prohibits either such big communities or being a hermit, of course).
This all can get very complex, imho.
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4. I'm an atheist, so N/A.
So atheism has NOT contributed on society? -.- I think this is simply untrue, atheism has had and still has a lot of influence.
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For the sam etopic, a question to all: Do you see atheism as a religion? Why or Why not? (is probably half-implemented in question 8 in the first post.
And Elodin has brought an interesting question, imo:
Do you claim absolute truth for your religion?
And how tolerant, accepting, or even respectful are you to other religions and their members, rites of worshipping, holy places, etc.? ...tolerance, acceptance and respect are highly important, at least for me.
And another question: What is more important for you: The details of certain worshipping in your religion, or the truth, and goodness, of their rules. (f.e. it is more important to worship Jesus as son of god, or to worship him exactly as proclaimed in your religion, or that Jesus said things like "turn the other cheek" ... and I don't know whether he SAID that directly, but he is supposed to have had this attitude, as far as I know)
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posted April 15, 2010 10:02 AM |
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"Enlightened viewpoints": this is a warning, no religious view point has any higher authority spiritually, socially or politically in this thread.
I see that you have either not read other posts or are not impartial. You give me a "warning" for calling Christianity "enlightened" yet said nothing when other said negative things about religion/Christianity.
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By that comparison I think that christianity did more harm than good
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Then I discovered that actual people believed in God. I still think it's ridiculous, though.
"It" refered to belief in God.
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A lot of people probably won't agree with me, and I wrote this on FB a little while ago, but I basically think that Religion is comfort for the weak.
Anyways, that's all I have time to comment on today. Maybe you can reflect on your own attitude towards Christianity/religion and try to see things more objectively.
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posted April 15, 2010 10:19 AM |
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"Enlightened viewpoints": this is a warning, no religious view point has any higher authority spiritually, socially or politically in this thread.
I see that you have either not read other posts or are not impartial. You give me a "warning" for calling Christianity "enlightened" yet said nothing when other said negative things about religion/Christianity.
I guess bixie feels you didn't clarify enough that "Enlightened View" is your opinion, no objective thing. As the others said, they "think" christianity did more harm, or THINK it's ridiculous. Add an imo, and he'll hopefully be fine with it.
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Anyways, that's all I have time to comment on today. Maybe you can reflect on your own attitude towards Christianity/religion and try to see things more objectively.
We try, I think. In this thread, as bixie said, everyone can post their opinion, however the tohers might like it or not. And if someone comes and says "I have the OPINION western civilizations are sinful and most be destroyed", they can argue against that, but not neglect it. The attitude of this thread (and bixie as it's creator, at least partially) towards any religion including atheism, is, as far as I see it, neutral. I think He just wants to ensure this thread doesn't become like this:
A: "Oh, I am in the TRUE religion"
B: "no you can'T, cause I AM allready in the one TRUE religion. your's is baaad!"
C: "Fools, religions are dumb and not true and you are stupid to believe in them!"
B: "Infidel, you will suffer in Hell/next Life/whatever"
A: "Yes he is, but YOU are, too, you believe wrong things. I have the true opinion."
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posted April 15, 2010 10:30 AM |
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@ Jirika: thanks bro
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I see that you have either not read other posts or are not impartial. You give me a "warning" for calling Christianity "enlightened" yet said nothing when other said negative things about religion/Christianity.
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By that comparison I think that christianity did more harm than good
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Then I discovered that actual people believed in God. I still think it's ridiculous, though.
Got me there...
I will state that arguments based on a personal belief of enlightenment and personal experience will not be held in the same regard as stuff back up by objective evidence.
and I will also state that if you want to refer to Christianity as an "enlightened" view, I must insist that you put the words "I think" before hand. all the examples you have given of people saying negative things about christianity have demonstrated as thus.
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posted April 15, 2010 12:07 PM |
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I will state that arguments based on a personal belief of enlightenment and personal experience will not be held in the same regard as stuff back up by objective evidence.
As long as you allow us to talk about such stuff. 'Cause religion IS a lot about belief and, as I stated, belief without personal opinion and experience.
@bixie: Have you seen my questions in the post before Elodin's?
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posted April 15, 2010 12:49 PM |
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the one about atheism?
It's a non-religion, though it has a view on religion. It is not a religion as it has none of the ceremonies, dogma, practicies, gods, beliefs and so on that Religion holds, it has a rejection of all that. It's kind of like saying that veganism is a form of meat eating, or peace talks is an act of war.
and about oppinion, yeah, sure, talk about it, as long as you have evidence and a justification for it. it doesn't need to be pariticularly long, the bit on atheism I wrote above is an example of the minimum of what I'm expecting.
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posted April 15, 2010 01:14 PM |
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Uh uh ... wasn't there a reason for the other thread being closed? It seems to me that this is going down the exact same path.
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posted April 15, 2010 01:51 PM |
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I hope not.
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posted April 15, 2010 01:53 PM |
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I don't see any problems currently either, but you (all) should try to not quote and re-quoute and re...., so the posts become too long.
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Not only the one about atheism:
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Do you claim absolute truth for your religion?
And how tolerant, accepting, or even respectful are you to other religions and their members, rites of worshipping, holy places, etc.? ...tolerance, acceptance and respect are highly important, at least for me.
And another question: What is more important for you: The details of certain worshipping in your religion, or the truth, and goodness, of their rules. (f.e. it is more important to worship Jesus as son of god, or to worship him exactly as proclaimed in your religion, or that Jesus said things like "turn the other cheek" ... and I don't know whether he SAID that directly, but he is supposed to have had this attitude, as far as I know)
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It's a non-religion, though it has a view on religion. It is not a religion as it has none of the ceremonies, dogma, practicies, gods, beliefs and so on that Religion holds, it has a rejection of all that. It's kind of like saying that veganism is a form of meat eating, or peace talks is an act of war.
What?! So.
1st: So religion NEEDS dogma, needs ceremonies, practices and GODS? I disagree very strongly here. But that probably matters on definition of religion. If we want to use your definition of religion, I in this moment find no arguments to PROOVE you wrong (yet I REALLY dislike your comparisons, since they are rathe implicing...I mean they, to me, seem to imply religion is bad, (felt like you directly compared it to war))
As I see religion (as described above), since believing there is no GOD and neglecting religions is allready a belief, and this belief is shared by a lot of people. You could even say, they have their gods, too: They call them rules, principles and such. Just an opinion, again, I cannot quote an atheist here. I am, anyway, not in a good debting mood since I had an argument last night that ate up much of my energy for such things 
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posted April 15, 2010 02:24 PM |
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sorry, I thought those questions were directed at Elodin. (it said something to that degree I think, but I could be wrong.)
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Do you claim absolute truth for your religion?
And how tolerant, accepting, or even respectful are you to other religions and their members, rites of worshipping, holy places, etc.? ...tolerance, acceptance and respect are highly important, at least for me.
And another question: What is more important for you: The details of certain worshipping in your religion, or the truth, and goodness, of their rules. (f.e. it is more important to worship Jesus as son of god, or to worship him exactly as proclaimed in your religion, or that Jesus said things like "turn the other cheek" ... and I don't know whether he SAID that directly, but he is supposed to have had this attitude, as far as I know)
Personally, I have a great respect of other poeples religions. I have been in various mosques and marveled at the structure, the design and the atmosphere, and at the same time respecting the need to remove my shoes. I've been into churches and done much the same thing, being silent during prayer. I've meet hindu's, shintoists, buddhists and baptists, and have gotten along very nicely with them.
I also don't claim absolute truth, as the concepts I worship are reflections of human nature. We can't know everything yet, just like we can't perfect the art of love, or completely and utterly control our rage. I worship aspects of humanity, so I don't claim absolute truth. If there were absolute truth, then we wouldn't progress as a society, and as is often said "the journey is sometimes much better than the objective."
as for the question of tradition over message, I have a facsination with one, but I think the other should come first. the message of christ, of love and kindess towards you're enemies and friends, should be upheld more than the fact he died for our sins, in my oppinion.
again, this are what I think, and they are no more true than the next guy.
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It's a non-religion, though it has a view on religion. It is not a religion as it has none of the ceremonies, dogma, practicies, gods, beliefs and so on that Religion holds, it has a rejection of all that. It's kind of like saying that veganism is a form of meat eating, or peace talks is an act of war.
What?! So.
1st: So religion NEEDS dogma, needs ceremonies, practices and GODS? I disagree very strongly here. But that probably matters on definition of religion. If we want to use your definition of religion, I in this moment find no arguments to PROOVE you wrong (yet I REALLY dislike your comparisons, since they are rathe implicing...I mean they, to me, seem to imply religion is bad, (felt like you directly compared it to war))
1) religion doesn't need dogman, ceremonies etc. Atheism is a rejection of religion and... I think if I sum it up in this quote.
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Atheism is simply saying "I don't see the reasons for the existence of god" and thus it is no more a religion than, say, custard.
-Aronra, online atheist counciller, PHD in palentology from Texas University, and badass.
if you want a less negative comparison, then Atheism is not a religion in the same way a ant is not a mammal, or desk lamp is not a fruit, though this is slightly slipping into the realm of the surreal.
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As I see religion (as described above), since believing there is no GOD and neglecting religions is allready a belief, and this belief is shared by a lot of people. You could even say, they have their gods, too: They call them rules, principles and such. Just an opinion, again, I cannot quote an atheist here. I am, anyway, not in a good debting mood since I had an argument last night that ate up much of my energy for such things
that's a fair point. I can see how someone could argue that Atheism is a religion. but to be brutally honest, it does seem a little... circular.
I'm very sorry to hear about the fact you're not is a good debting mood. how much, by the way?
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Shares
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posted April 15, 2010 02:27 PM |
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Edited by Shares at 14:27, 15 Apr 2010.
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The West has been profoundly influenced by Christianity for the better though a previous poster said he believes it had an adverse effect. It is a primary reason the West is more advanced and "civilized" than other parts of the world.
I do disagree with a lot of the stuff their, and agree with a lot of it. Christianity has led us to our culture. Our technology and our "superiority". I do agree with that. I do not agree that this is a good thing. It is what led us to a culture whos riches lies in conquest and slaughter. A culture where some people are worth more than others. A culture where belief is not subjective and personal. It is a feat that is of matter of life and death. It gave people closeness, cooperation and organisation. Enough to turn us into an effective murder machine. Going on murdering, slaughtering and conquering. You want some proof?
Continents:
Europe We come from there
Asia Partly conquered and enslaved
North America Conquered through (near) extincion of inhabitants
South America Conquered through (near) extincion of inhabitants
Australia Conquered through (near) extincion of inhabitants
Africa Conquered and enslaved through war
Antarctica Uninhabitable and useless
That is the way we have kept our superiority. As long as we've been invading places, burning and stealing, we've kept being rich and superior. Now that we have finally conquered (nearly) all the world we can see that it took just a couple of hundred years for Asia to just pass by. We are not superior any more and the economic crisises are proof of that. Our economy rely on slavery and death!
We have christianity (as an organisation) to thank for all that we are! For all that we have! Maybe you think that's a good thing, but I don't!
Disclaimer!
Now I just want to point out that I am not accusing christianity as a religion of anything. I am accusing the people in the organisation behind it. It is not an arguement against christianity, and I am sorry that I got a little carried away. This is how I see it, and I now that most people have a mor positive view on it, and I don't know what would have happened without an organized religion. It is not to be taken personally.
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Doomforge
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posted April 15, 2010 03:17 PM |
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What would happen without? Not possible. Organized religion is something extremely natural for people.
And, Shares, you should thank God ( ) it's not Islam that's "ours". Seriously.
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Elodin
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posted April 15, 2010 03:45 PM |
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and I will also state that if you want to refer to Christianity as an "enlightened" view, I must insist that you put the words "I think" before hand. all the examples you have given of people saying negative things about christianity have demonstrated as thus.
So you think everyone should write
"I think" in every statement you disagree with?
Strike two on objective "moderation."
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How does religion affect you're oppinions, politics, and social ideals?
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A person's "religious views" can't be separated from his "political viewpoints." If you are an atheist you see the world through an atheistic worldview. I see the world from the enlightened viewpoints of Christianity.
First, your question was about how religino affects our opinions.
Second, I talked about worldviews. Viewpoints.
Third, there is nothing wrong with saying "I see the world from the enlightened wiewpoints of Christianity" even according to your "thread rules." I said "I see" which means that it is my opinion.
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since no-one else intends to make this thread, I suppose I will have to.
and Yes, it is necessary to discuss religion
Now, I don't see a "I think" there and it is not a fact accepted by all that it is necessary to discuss religion. I could give more examples of opinions stated without "I think" in front of them.
Sorry, I don't think i will participating in this thread. You have set rules in addition to the COC and it seems to me that you have no interest in followig the rules yourself or applying the rules to everyone else. This thread with what appears to be selective enforcement of your own rules and questionable interpretation of said rules makes it appear this thread is for religion bashing.
If I have something to say about religion I will open another thread where only the forum moderators are the moderators an no additional rules other than the COC.
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bixie
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my common sense is tingling!
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posted April 15, 2010 04:33 PM |
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Fine, if you feel that way, then I'm sorry that appears it. No-ones stopping you from making you're own thread.
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