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DomFontana
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posted May 19, 2010 03:36 PM |
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Hi, LOL. You're right. Some of the posts are getting long. 
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Dark_Violinist
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posted May 19, 2010 03:49 PM |
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Okay, here's a thought, since both cutting off penises and killing people unmercifully don't really stop criminals from multiplying, why the heck argue about it?
All we could do is grieve over an impending doom.
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posted May 19, 2010 03:52 PM |
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I see that irony or sarcasm is somewhat wasted.
So let's precisely state again what I am for:
I'm all for chemical castration for pedophiles, that is, people who are ok, except that they are attracted to nono persons. That is, the aim is still sex, but with children or young juveniles.
If someone has been guilty of rape in ONE case, that might be bad circumstances, bad luck, bad booze, bad company, bad mojo, a bad day, or a combination of all. ONCE may just, you know, HAPPEN.
If someone has been guilty of more than one rape, that person is guilty of VIOLENCE. That person just didn't go too far and suddenly was stone deaf in terms of "no". That person likes it that way, and the main thing here obviously isn't the sex, but the violence/domination hormonal treatment would of course lessen the aggression potential, but I don't think it would solve the problem, since the aim isn't sex - the sex is only the means, the end is another.
So, no, castration isn't actually helping there in my opinion.
Would ACTUAL castration, as in cutting off the complete equipment like thieves lost their hands in earlier times, be a fitting PUNISHMENT for rapers/pedos? You gotta be kidding.
I admit, that the idea of raped women hacking it off of a serial offender has something charming - but that's not thinking it through. If you really find that idea attractive - please, that's crude and not very subtle.
You know, in the early wars in the Near East, when a coalition of Arab countries attacked Israel, the Israelites had female units - and it didn't take long until they were feared by the Arabs.
I'm VERY sure, that putting repeat rape offenders into a female high security prison with exclusively female guards and female prisoners would do a lot more in terms of punishment and deterrence than castration...
I suppose, imagining that will make all people giggling at the idea of men being raped by women hiccup. 
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Dark_Violinist
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posted May 19, 2010 03:58 PM |
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I see that irony or sarcasm is somewhat wasted.
Okay, how could you say my opinion's wasted? Do you have any proof that by turning to chemical castration, crime rates would actually go down?
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JollyJoker
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posted May 19, 2010 04:05 PM |
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you might check posting times of your and my post, that might tell you something.
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veco
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posted May 19, 2010 04:22 PM |
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I'm VERY sure, that putting repeat rape offenders into a female high security prison with exclusively female guards and female prisoners would do a lot more in terms of punishment and deterrence than castration...
I want to see that happen, it sounds oh so very amusing for several different matters  Scientific of course.
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DomFontana
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posted May 19, 2010 04:30 PM |
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@JollyJoker: Okay, let's see if I understand you. You said that chemical castration wouldn't wotk in the case of a repeat offender, right? Then what do you think should be done with them? What should their sentence or punishment be for the crime?
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JollyJoker
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posted May 19, 2010 04:30 PM |
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Yes, yes. STRICTLY scientific, of course.
@ DoomFontana
Right, castration won't work in the case of a repeat rape offender.
Well, obviously, there is no reason whatsoever to let repeat rape offenders ever again run free - they would just do it again, right?
The question is, what can they do to make up for their deeds on one hand and to become "normal" (as in non-dangerous) on the other to maybe run free in future times again.
Since I'm no expert in that field, I can't go into detail here.
On the other hand you might put them for a certain time into said high sec prison with exclusively female prisoners and guards - let's say 3 months for each rape - and hope that it was deterrence enough - but I wouldn't bet on it.
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DomFontana
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posted May 19, 2010 04:45 PM |
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Okay, JollyJoker. I understand your position now. Thanks.
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ohforfsake
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posted May 19, 2010 05:02 PM |
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I'm not sure if I follow. This is how I understand what have been written:
If someone does something once, it might not mean they'd any bad intentions, but if they do it more than once, then there is no doubt?
A claim like that is not logical to me. This is because it doesn't include if the reason that can create these unintenional actions have been removed or are still present. As long as such reasons are present, I've little doubt that it's just a matter of time (statistical truth) before it happens again, still unintended. Since reasons differ between people it's not surprisingly that it'd then be the same people over and over again it happens for.
The very definition, I use, of rehab, means that for someone to have gone through rehab, they'd have changed into the better. People who are repeat offenders are people whom the attempt of rehabilitation have failed, without realising this before it is too late.
Though how big is the focus on rehab in modern society actually? All in all I do actually agree with JJ on many of his points, I just have the impression that jail aren't used for a method of isolation and rehab, rather for revenge and protection against the angry mob, i.e. a way to maintain power over the citizens of society, not to help them.
The stuff about female prisons, it reminds me, recently, though some time ago it was last reported, gangs of girls at the age of 12-17 went around trying to cause a menace. The funny thing, in Denmark it's trendy for girls to be really skinny and these girls are no different. It's like if really really skinny boys goes up to you with girly voices and tries to beat you. In short all they ever attacked were other girls, though I just can't get the mental picture out of my head of a regular guy getting sorrounded by small girls trying to beat him up.
@Dark_Violinist
I don't get your point, would you care to explain?
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JollyJoker
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posted May 19, 2010 05:34 PM |
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Ohfor, believe me if a notorious raper would be in a high security prison alone with 50 female prisoners and 5 female guards, all of them obviously knowing why he was doing his time there - I don't think it would be all that funny for the raper, and I doubt he'd have a lot to laugh.
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posted May 19, 2010 06:14 PM |
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I agree. I to don't think it's funny to be raped. Now I suddenly understand what Elvin must have felt. I am sorry Elvin, I blame you!
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posted May 19, 2010 06:14 PM |
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not only cut off their nards but cut off their butts too
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posted May 19, 2010 07:50 PM |
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Ohfrof:
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Doing what others did makes you just as bad no matter how much power you've.
Someone has to do it. So it's better that the state does it, because, ideally, the citizenry as a whole can monitor it to make sure it doesn't go into excess.
And, unfortunately, people do have to be coerced into paying taxes. Suppose I pay taxes and you don't. I pay for the police that catches criminals and thus makes you safer, even though you didn't pay for it. You benefit from something I pay for. Thus, it's more efficient to make us both pay for it.
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ohforfsake
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posted May 19, 2010 07:55 PM |
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Someone has to do it.
Really? I don't see it that obviously black & white to be honest.
For anything that must be done, it must so in regard to a given purpose that deems a given action to need to have some artificial consequences.
However anykind of purpose we decide, all we can do is use our power to change the world, hopefully into something better. If nothing is done at all, it'll just be like it was before man started to increase their own well being, not that it'd mean extinsion, rather it'd mean that we'd be back to the same degree of evolution as before we got the abilities of today.
About taxes, my suggestion was that you get the rewards when you pay. Like a membership to the chess club, you get the reward or participating in their tournaments, in return you pay them.
No pay, no reward.
Now what's your opinion about that?
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mvassilev
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posted May 19, 2010 08:20 PM |
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Because with government, there are many cases in which you don't pay and still get a reward. If the government captures a mass murderer, you benefit regardless of whether you paid for it or not. Same with national defence, vaccinations, education...
Make no mistake, I think the government currently does too much. But it definitely has legitimate functions that everyone has to pay for.
As for criminals, there are two options.
1. Do nothing.
2. Do something.
1 is not a very attractive option, for obvious reasons. As for 2, in order for something to be done, someone has to do it. For it to be effective, it has to stop them from doing whatever they're doing, and at least have some kind of restitution for the victim. The only way to accomplish this is through force. Thus, there are two ways this can be done - through vigilante justice or through government. Obviously, the latter is better.
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posted May 19, 2010 10:08 PM |
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I'm just gonna throw this out there....
It seems that both sides are now arguing the same points to their respected sides over and over. However, the difference is now that we simply are stating those same things in different ways. Man, it's like a police interigation on TBS or something 
No, but is there another aspect we can debate about this issue or should we wrap this up sometime soon here? I think all and all it has been a healthy debate with negligable insults and/or emotions. Just seems like it is at a point where a conclusion or end or both must come.
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del_diablo
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posted May 19, 2010 10:26 PM |
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Father: You are breaking the unspoken rule of OSM, i support you in this decision.
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posted May 19, 2010 10:46 PM |
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There is an unspoken rule!? -LOL- well somebody should have told me that well over a year ago. Especially in the OSM
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DomFontana
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posted May 20, 2010 03:28 AM |
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I second Father's motion. I think we're beating a dead horse now.
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