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posted June 01, 2010 01:34 PM |
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The power of time: Are you past-, present- or future-oriented?
I just stumbled across this really interesting video on WIMP:
The secret powers of time
It's 10 minutes (yeah, I know!), but it really gave me a new perspective on a lot of things from my everyday life, from my lifestyle and my work (I happen to work with teaching, so parts of this also had a specific relevance for me).
I recommend you take out a moment to watch this and give it a thought. Maybe it'll also open your eyes to some things. 
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posted June 01, 2010 03:15 PM |
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Intereristing, it was worth my time.
There are a few minor glips around, but they are completely superficial compared to the message and the studies results.
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posted June 01, 2010 05:21 PM |
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I disagree with the guy but he's a good presenter alright.
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posted June 01, 2010 07:40 PM |
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You disagree?
I think, he's spot on. Brillant analysis.
What do you disagree with?
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posted June 01, 2010 07:52 PM |
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Some of the forms and that people belong to a specific one.
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posted June 01, 2010 07:58 PM |
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In my opinion, not sufficient documentation for his generalizations/conclusions and lack of defined measurements to begin with.
Everyone are to some sense, past, present and future oriented, that's how our environment effects us. It's of no value to be future oriented, if you don't evaluate upon the past of similar situations, that's the whole idea of the scientific reproducibility principe. That under equal conditions equal results emerges. If you don't take the environment into control when planning for the future, you've as much chance of hitting the jack pot as the ancient greeks whose ideas of the physic world were interesting, but even the a naked observation (through senses alone) could tell they're very wrong. So the meaning of being X oriented needs clarification.
Of course it's not of much value to be solely oriented in any direction, future should be pretty obvious now, and past, well, no matter if it's for the positive or negative emotion, I think everyone can see why that's kinda useless. However it does somehow give the assumption that these people only live for the emotion, heck it seems like that's how it goes for everyone in the video, they're just divided into different emotions. That's rather simplistic as well, we all have stuff we want, and it's unlikely that it's emotional based for everyone of us. Yes to some degree of course, inspiration and stuff, but not completely.
Finally, be only present oriented may seem cool and stuff, but even these people are both past and future oriented as well, just to demonstrate, imagine your life if you had no memory.
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posted June 01, 2010 07:59 PM |
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It is quite true, however there is still something about correct with the rest.
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posted June 01, 2010 08:04 PM |
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I kind of assumed it was a generalized. I'm sure the guy is aware that humans are more complex than sitting 100% into a certain category. He's a social psychologist.
That was a really cool presentation, particularly when he got into talking about the effects of technology on a culture. I fall perfectly under the group of video game playing American males he was talking about (though I never came close to dropping out), and I agree wholeheartedly with his conclusion on the effects it will have. It's still a sensitive topic that a lot of young people are in a state of denial over, but I think it's going to become increasingly relevant to study for psychologists and sociologists. Your behaviors and habits will physically alter the structure of the brain. Time management is probably the single most important skill a person can learn. On one hand you have the dangers of being a sloth, but a work-obsessed culture can have its own negative consequences on a person's emotional well-being. As my one professor said "People work hard in order to guarantee their misery".
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posted June 01, 2010 08:20 PM |
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That was a really cool presentation, particularly when he got into talking about the effects of technology on a culture.
Yeah, though I think he needs a lot more justification of those informations to be takes seriously, it was pretty cool, and I agree that an interactive way of learning would probably be a good ressource to have, and yes maybe even more so now in this world of entertainment through games, but I just am not convinced it's a decisive factor.
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I fall perfectly under the group of video game playing American males he was talking about[...], and I agree wholeheartedly with his conclusion on the effects it will have.
I used to think I did so as well. In reality though, after have spend a quite some months away from video games, they really don't give me much. I'm pretty convinced that it doesn't matter much what the media is, we can get used to a huge range of activities and when we get used to something, it's so easy and nice to keep on doing it, unless there's an environment change that puts outside the perspective of easy adjustment.
Sure video games still interests me, but they interest me in relation to what I want, not what I feel like(which was the case earlier, and as it goes, feelings often adjust to behaviour as much as behaviour adjusts to feelings[For those who don't really know what they want]).
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posted June 01, 2010 08:32 PM |
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@Oh:
The presentation is an appetizer for what the book talks about; it's not a stand-alone presentation. He's not going to talk about the primary sources used for 10 minutes. That's what the book is for.
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posted June 02, 2010 08:14 AM |
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Everyone are to some sense, past, present and future oriented, that's how our environment effects us. It's of no value to be future oriented, if you don't evaluate upon the past of similar situations, that's the whole idea of the scientific reproducibility principe. That under equal conditions equal results emerges.
I don't quite agree with you here. Sure, the whole picture is complex, but I think he hits the nail when he points out, that cultural - and religious - factors will influence your time perspective.
As an example, try to compare the American mentality to, say, the Danish. The Americans are MUCH more competitive and future oriented than the Danes. Why is that? Probably because differences between rich and poor are much bigger in America, and also probably because of the whole religious punishment scheme (if you don't behave according to the rules, you'll end up in eternal punishment, etc.).
Is that a good thing for the Americans? Yes, in some cases, because like he mentions, it might improve your decisions with regard to things like health and education. On the bad side, I think it makes you take less time to relax and enjoy the present, which will result in higher stress level and as he also mentions, cardiac diseases.
I think the issue about the youth and their time priorities is also very real, I know that also from myself, and I can see that for a lot of the youths I encounted through my work.
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posted June 02, 2010 02:05 PM |
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I've never seen someone draw that well on a white board 
here in france it looks like we have a quite fast pace of life, people always complain about not having enough time.
it's mostly a problem with work here, you are supposed to sacrifice your life for your work. especially poor people, who spend their whole days working and are sometimes still living under the poverty toll.
I guess it's a problem with consumerism, to make money they need to make us consume as much as they can, and of course you have to produce all those things, which means some people have to work a lot.
that's kind of a vicious circle, since you work so much that you sacrifice your social / family life, you compensate by consuming. and now that consuming is known as THE WAY to reach happiness (  ) people always want more of course. so they work more to buy more things, they get even more frustrated and need even more compensations, so they work even more...
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posted June 02, 2010 02:30 PM |
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And here we go again, trying to simplify the world into nice chunks we can all chew on. 
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posted June 02, 2010 02:40 PM |
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it seems they talk more about present and future orientated people.
here it seems we are mostly future orientated, as people seem to always fear the consequences of their acts in the future. they are afraid sometimes to change even a little bit of their routine because their fear the consequences in the future might be disastrous.
that leads to a society where people can hardly take any risks, which means of course improvements are hardly possible. If it (barely) works (or even if it doesn't work at all), don't fix it. Sure, you may make it better, but imagine if you make it worse. better to not try at all.
you just have to look at poor people. usually they don't do much to improve their situation because they think it can only be worse.
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posted June 02, 2010 03:41 PM |
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@ Ohfor
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Everyone are to some sense, past, present and future oriented, that's how our environment effects us.
I agree. People just stress the "tenses" to a differing degree. We must rememer and learn from our past but not dwell on it too much. There are many things we need to address in the present. We should prepare for the future but not so much that we neglect the present. Take time to smell the roses.
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posted June 02, 2010 03:45 PM |
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Good find Alc, loved the presentation and found the idea interesting. Many of us are a lot less impatient than previous generations used to be, I know I am not as patient anymore since the pc entered my life. But of course I do not assume that is the whole reason. When the pace of life is accelerated and you deal with a many things everyday you simply cannot stand waiting without good reason. It feels exactly a waste.
I'm not sure how to classify myself. I don't live in the past but I do care to learn from my mistakes and avoid new ones. However past is past so they don't burden my conscience, if anything I like to remember the good times. My actions are to a good extent focused on the future but I don't exactly map out everything, I leave many of things unscheduled and see what happens. I do have some guidelines of things to be done - which I don't usually overlook for too long - but that's about it. I certainly am not as present focused as others but I know I am more than I used to. Well besides the matter of pain, I don't care much if it's temporary since it won't matter in the future.
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posted June 02, 2010 05:29 PM |
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Edited by Fauch at 17:31, 02 Jun 2010.
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Many of us are a lot less impatient than previous generations used to be, I know I am not as patient anymore since the pc entered my life
didn't you mean the contrary?
PC has something to do with being impatient? he was talking about people getting angry when PCs are too long to boot or it is too long to download. but you can do something else during that time. are you waiting like idiots while your PC is downloading something?
btw, it is interesting that something which makes things easier and faster (the PC) makes you feel like you waste more time.
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posted June 02, 2010 07:34 PM |
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I don't quite get it. Does he say that people who walk fast experience time fast, or reverse?
My thoughts on the matter are as follows:
The processes of the world happens through time, but the observed time by us, is independent of actual time used. Unless we decide to, we often won't focus on time at all (dreaded tasks [something you don't want and can't control] can us make us do it though, and I think that's why they seem long. Though one should remember that we won't be remembering all our dreaded tasks, the current perception of the world you have may change over the next couple of months and so may your opinion dramatically without you ever knowing. Next month, Fauch may very well be advocating for slavery, and Mvass may think that we should all just go around and pick flowers. The point is, it's the current moment where we recall it, that we evaluate something of the past, to have a certain emotional value, so what's a dreaded task and a long and boring day, of today, is in one month not only completely forgotten, but you've the sensation that time have went by really fast).
However, what we do focus on, is the stuff we want. The more stuff you want that you get done, then when taking the 3rd viewers perspective, looking at time, you realise you've done a lot in quite a little time, in return, to you, it seems like time goes slow, as long as you do what you want and you do it to your own expectations.
So, I'd guess, unless we start to use the variable of deadlines, which really makes a lot of what I wrote not very useable (because I think that deadlines removes the focus on what you want, and creates a focus on getting something done or there's a negative consequence, in short you may do what you want, but it's a negative emotional focus and in return the tasks are divided longer and it's harder to make a good habit of it, so it'll also be more dreaded, meaning you won't remember the details well, and it'd seem like time just flies), then the people who generally walks faster, also in general are those who feel time as going slower, though it's a very flawed generalization, like saying that all black people are good athletes.
As a kid, times goes a lot slower, at least that's ones impression, but let me ask you this, how much do you remember from your child hood and compared to the recent months or years? My guess is that we remember in general more, yet wierder, things from back then, because due to lack of knowledge, everything seemed important, in turn making it into something we wanted to do, and in turn meaning that no matter what we did, time would feel like it went in a nice and slow pace.
So I guess that if one lives up their own expectation, do what they want, and can do it not only fast, but effectively, then you'd remember these stuff and in general, time will go by really slow.
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posted June 02, 2010 09:56 PM |
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Sorry Fauch, I meant less patient. And that's not quite the point, when you learn to process information at fast rates and are used to multitasking the less tolerant you become to delays. A delay of course can happen at any point in your daily life, it's not like it's limited to the pc.
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posted June 03, 2010 02:33 AM |
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Edited by Fauch at 02:36, 03 Jun 2010.
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Fauch may very well be advocating for slavery,
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and Mvass may think that we should all just go around and pick flowers
so he can sell them and make a profit.
According to a book of Jean-Louis Servan-Schreiber, our time brings much kinds of distractions, and since we try to do a lot more things than people did in the past, we feel like we don't have enough time.
(more or less what Elvin said it seems)
He also thinks that because of multitasking, we get less good at concentrating on one task.
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