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Lesij
Famous Hero
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posted December 09, 2010 07:20 PM |
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Still please - do not leave Vestal. Change it to ANY name possible...
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evinin
Supreme Hero
Servant of Asha
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posted December 09, 2010 07:32 PM |
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Still please - do not leave Vestal. Change it to ANY name possible...
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Jackson
Known Hero
Random Spirit Lover
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posted December 10, 2010 01:37 AM |
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Sister:
–noun
1. a female offspring having both parents in common with another offspring; female sibling.
2. Also called half sister. a female offspring having only one parent in common with another offspring.
3. stepsister.
4. a female friend or protector regarded as a sister.
5. a thing regarded as feminine and associated as if by kinship with something else: The ships are sisters.
6. a female fellow member, as of a church.
7. a female member of a religious community that observes the simple vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience.
8. British . a nurse in charge of a hospital ward; head nurse.
9. a fellow black woman.
10. a woman who supports, promotes, or participates in feminism.
11. Informal . a form of address used to a woman or girl, esp. jocularly or contemptuously: Listen, sister, you've had enough.
Vestal:
–adjective
1. of or pertaining to the goddess Vesta.
2. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of a vestal virgin; chaste; pure.
–noun
3. vestal virgin.
4. a chaste unmarried woman; virgin.
5. a nun.
As you can see the words "Sister" and "Vestal" have multiple meanings. All the arguments and complaints that say "Oh now that they've named a creature Sister they might as well name another one Brother, and Father, and Aunt and Grandmother," all those arguments are invalid. "Sister" in the way they're using it is supposed to convey religion and order. And as you can see, Vestal can be used unrelated to the goddess Vesta and still be proper. I just hope these creatures don't attack, dealing any damage seems against their nature so I hope they're used purely for healing and support.
If I had to change one name it would be the Skeletal Spearman.
If I could change two names it would be the Skeletal Spearman and the Lacerator.
I admit that coming up with a really good name for a skeleton is really difficult. We've never seen a great one. I thought of Animated Dead -> Skeleton, and so far it's the best idea I can think of. I would choose it over Skeleton -> Skeletal Spearman anyday. Both names are factually what it is, but at least Animated Dead gives a sense of anonymity and when it's upgraded it's as if they're given a proper name. They work a hundred times better than Skeletal Spearman in my opinion.
I would change Tormentor -> Lacerator to Tormented -> Excruciated for this reason:
"As far as I know, "The Tormented" actually was the creature's original name but it was changed for some reason. The meaning is diluted because it now implies that the creature is doing the tormenting rather than suffering from the torment itself. I'm still "campaigning" to have the old name restored"
If I could change more I would change Demented into Lunatic because in my opinion it sounds better and also:
"Lunatic had a double entendre since the Ashan Demons are slaves to their "moon-powered prison" - Lunatic is derived from "Luna"/Moon."
The name changes I just re-proposed for the Tormentor -> Lacerator and the Demented seem obvious to me...
The skeleton one just pisses me off so much.
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Aatos
Adventuring Hero
Heroic Adventurer
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posted December 10, 2010 04:03 AM |
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Edited by Aatos at 04:07, 10 Dec 2010.
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No matter how much the name corresponds to the creature it should not be used if it doesn't sound good. The names Sister, Vestal, Lilim, Breeder, and Mother Breeder should be changed.
Edit: I think that if the demons' prison is powered by the moon and if they only get out during a moon eclipse then the name should not be Lunatic.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted December 10, 2010 08:19 AM |
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I'm all for changing Sister and Vestal. Vestal can stay, but Sister should be changed, I would go with Healer for simplicity, at least if that goes with the general properties of this unit.
And I despise the Lilim name, you may argue as much as you like that it's fitting, it won't make me like it. I'd go with Seducer, but almost any other name would work.
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 10, 2010 08:26 AM |
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My probably with Lilim is many people, including myself, had no idea what exactly a Lilim was (I had to go to wikipedia and look).
You should not need to Google a creature to know what it is.
But names should not get to simple either such as the horrible Skeleton -> Skeletal Spearmen. Yes, I KNOW it is a skeleton because thats kind of obvious to see. I do not need a huge name that tells me its a skeleton. Those two are very uninteresting and not-so-creative names.
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Over himself, over his own
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Jackson
Known Hero
Random Spirit Lover
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posted December 10, 2010 09:04 AM |
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My probably with Lilim is many people, including myself, had no idea what exactly a Lilim was (I had to go to wikipedia and look).
You should not need to Google a creature to know what it is.
I disagree. I don't mind coming across a creature I don't know and needing to look it up... it's called learning. I really liked the suggestion Succubus Concubine -> Succubus Mistress but Succubus -> Lilim makes me happy too. I guess it's just a difference of taste here, as it is with most disputes regarding names.
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But names should not get to simple either such as the horrible Skeleton -> Skeletal Spearmen. Yes, I KNOW it is a skeleton because thats kind of obvious to see. I do not need a huge name that tells me its a skeleton. Those two are very uninteresting and not-so-creative names.
I definitely agree with you on this one. Down with Skeletal Spearman! Long live a more creative name! 
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Lesij
Famous Hero
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posted December 10, 2010 09:36 AM |
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Edited by Lesij at 10:36, 10 Dec 2010.
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Vestal:
–adjective
1. of or pertaining to the goddess Vesta.
2. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of a vestal virgin; chaste; pure.
–noun
3. vestal virgin.
4. a chaste unmarried woman; virgin.
5. a nun.
Bah... This argument is just... just... rawr...
Must... Not... Use... Abusive... Words... :< Nooooo! :<
So: This argument pretends to be full of knowledge, clear, readable, reasonable, edible, thoughtfull and kind of wise, but it isn't.
Sage, ftw...
Do you know the word ETHYMOLOGY?
I don't care about other meanings. But I do care about where did the name come from. WITHOUT GODESS VESTA this name WOULD NOT EXIST!!!
Find me an Ashan ethymology to call anybody Vestal and I will shut my mouth up (or tie my fingers so as not to write anymore about this).
EDIT:
And to lose all this emotional load that is now burning my soul from inside:
It's nothing personal :< Just a duck :<
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Astromidas
Hired Hero
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posted December 10, 2010 09:44 AM |
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This is how I would like to name them:
Sentinel - Legionary
I like the Praetorian but it was more of a bodyguard unit I think in ancient Rome and Legionary is more suitable for larger armies.
Marksman - Arcubalister
A arcubalister is a crossbowman and it has a more elaborated name.
Priestess - Cleric (Saint)
Vestal is a good name but I don't think it's suited for a warrior on the battlefield. Cleric would suit better I think. Saint might work but it sounds a little to powerful for a Core Unit.
Griffin - Imperial Griffin
No change...
Radiant Glory - Blazing Glory (Light Elemental - Divine Elemental)
I like the name of Glory or Glories but could also work with the plain Light Elemental.
Sun Rider - Sun Crusader
No change...
Angel - Archangel
Why not use the Angel as Champion Unit? Seraph and Celestial is fine but I would rather have the Angels.
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Hellhound - Cerberus (three heads)/ Orthrus (two heads)
I think it have been said that it's going to have three heads - so Cerberus it is then. Even though the two headed would be fine to vary a bit.
Succubus - Lilim
No change...
Maniac - Raving Maniac
Didn't quite like the name Demented so I think that Raving Maniac is better.
Juggernaut - Ravager/ Dreadnaught
I like the name Dreadnaught that have been suggested but Ravager works as well.
Tormentor - Lacerator
No change... Couldn't think of something better.
Breeder - Doom Breeder
Mother Breeder sounds kinda stupid - does it breed mothers or what's the deal there?
Pit Fiend - Pit Lord
No change... A classical name for a classical creature.
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Skeleton - Archaic Skeleton (Javelin Skeleton/ Skeleton Guard)
Skeletal Spearman works but I would prefer Skeleton Guard, Javelin Skeleton (as it throw spears) and my favorite Archaic Skeleton (as it's very very old) or perhaps Skeletal Impaler
Ghoul - Ravenous Ghoul
No change...
Ghost - Spectre
No change...
Lich - Arch Lich
No change...
Vampire - Vampire Lord
No change... As with the Pit Lord and the Arch Lich: classical names for classical creatures.
Foul Sphinx - Corrupt Sphinx
Don't like the name Lamasu (Lamassu) and this is the name I would like to change the most. Sphinx is much better.
Fate Spinner - Fate Weaver
No change... It's good as it is, with the relation with the threads of fate/life from Greek and Norse mythology.
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Lexxan
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Unimpressed by your logic
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posted December 10, 2010 11:12 AM |
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Edited by Lexxan at 11:13, 10 Dec 2010.
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And I despise the Lilim name, you may argue as much as you like that it's fitting, it won't make me like it. I'd go with Seducer, but almost any other name would work.
Oh, please Alci, Seducer is a terrible name for a feminine being imo. Seductress would be better in the creature's context. Imo tho, I'd prefer they hadn't changed it at all. Temptress was an *excellent* name for her. Excellent. I just don't get it.
I *do* absolutely LOATHE the "Lilim" though, I agree with that. I just wonder why they simply didn't name it LILITH. It's basically the same creature mythologically-wise, but with a more common and well-known name.
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Coincidence? I think not!!!!
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Orfinn
Supreme Hero
Werewolf Duke
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posted December 10, 2010 03:40 PM |
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Edited by Orfinn at 15:48, 10 Dec 2010.
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First off. Lamasu isnt the SAME as Sphinx! Dosent make any sense that either are an upg of the other. Different creatures, read on
Lamasu
Lammasu
The Sphinx was a creature with a head and chest of a woman, body and legs of lion and wings of an eagle. The Sphinx was an offspring of Echidna and either Orthus or Typhon.
The Sphinx lived on the road west of Thebes. It was custom of the Sphinx to tell the riddle to travelling heading towards Thebes. If the traveller answers the riddle correctly, the traveller would be allowed to pass her. Giving the wrong answer, the Sphinx would kill and devour the traveller.
When Creon became regent at the death of King Laius, he offered the kingdom of Thebes and his beautiful sister, Jocasta (newly widowed) in marriage. When Oedipus correctly answered the riddle, the Sphinx killed itself by jumping off the cliff.
Oedipus became king, and unwittingly married his mother (Jocasta) and became father of their children.
See the House of Thebes for the entire tale of Oedipus.
Mythical Creatures and Monsters
HAVEN CREATURES
Sentinel - Templar
Crossbowman - Marksman
Sister - Cleric
Griffin - Imperial Griffin
Divine Glory - Eternal Glory
Sun Crusader - Sun Paladin
Seraph - Celestial
NECROPOLIS CREATURES
Skeleton Spearman - Skeleton Guard
Ghoul - Ravenous Ghoul -
Ghost - Spectre
Vampire - Vampire Lord
Lich - Archlich
Lamasu - Putrid Lamasu
Fate Spinner - Fate Weaver
INFERNO CREATURES
Maniac - Demented
Hellhound - Cerberus
Seducer - Succubus
Breeder - Infernal Breeder
Tormentor - Lacerator
Juggernaut - Ravager
Pit Fiend - Pit Lord
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted December 10, 2010 04:39 PM |
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And I despise the Lilim name, you may argue as much as you like that it's fitting, it won't make me like it. I'd go with Seducer, but almost any other name would work.
Oh, please Alci, Seducer is a terrible name for a feminine being imo. Seductress would be better in the creature's context. Imo tho, I'd prefer they hadn't changed it at all. Temptress was an *excellent* name for her. Excellent. I just don't get it.
Seducer/Seductress ... whatever you prefer. Temptress was fine also.
My main problem with Sister is that it sounds silly. If I was told that "a pack of Sisters attack", my main reaction would be WTF? Of course, being a little brother I know that the wrath of a sister can be terrifying, but still ...
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evinin
Supreme Hero
Servant of Asha
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posted December 10, 2010 05:10 PM |
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My main problem with Sister is that it sounds silly. If I was told that "a pack of Sisters attack", my main reaction would be WTF?
Well, if you try really hard to look at them as nuns, it's not that bad if they are named Sisters. The main problem with the creature name is the upgraded one. I said it so many times but I'll say it again - Vestal doesn't suit the Heroes universe. Vestal is an ancient priestess of the Roman goddess Vesta and as you can see, it has nothing to do with the Dragon of Light Elrath (Vesta is the goddess of home and so on). Messing around with Greek and Roman mythological creatures is one thing. I study in a classical school and I learn a lot of Ancient history, Latin, Ancient Greek and so on. Messing with stuff and names like that is so not right.
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted December 10, 2010 05:20 PM |
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Edited by Azagal at 17:21, 10 Dec 2010.
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I like the Lilim change... just feel like the poor thing needed some appreciation in here. I still think I have divine support though.
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"All I can see is what's in front of me. And all I can do is keep moving forward" - The Heir Wielder of Names, Seeker of Thrones, King of Swords, Breaker of Infinities, Wheel Smashing Lord
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Lexxan
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Unimpressed by your logic
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posted December 10, 2010 11:58 PM |
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My main problem with Sister is that it sounds silly. If I was told that "a pack of Sisters attack", my main reaction would be WTF? Of course, being a little brother I know that the wrath of a sister can be terrifying, but still ...
The "Sister" thing would work if it were part of a name, not the whole name itself. Sister is just so... plain and vanilla. It adds nothing of substance. "Sister of the Light", "Silent Sister" or anything else with an adjective or a description would work. Like for instance a "Blind Brother". If you incorporate it into the game, you wouldn't call it a "Brother" would you? How stupid is that?
So seriously, developers, if you read this, please reconsider some of these name changes. ALL of them (with the exception of Lamassus and the Lacerator) are absolutely *atrocious*
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SwampLord
Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
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posted December 11, 2010 12:00 AM |
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To be fair, "Sister" is pretty much as generic as "Priest" or "Monk", and both of those have been unit names in the past.
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They can take my swamp, they can take my town, but they will never take my FREEDOM!
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Meskyn
Adventuring Hero
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posted December 11, 2010 01:13 AM |
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Haven:
imperial nurse>head nurse; however, less important
creature without a sword in core or elite nobody says
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FuntimeManchop
Adventuring Hero
Adventure!
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posted December 11, 2010 10:12 PM |
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HAVEN CREATURES
Sentinel - Pikeman
Priestess - Cleric
Deva - Divinity [the glories]
NECROPOLIS CREATURES
Ghoul - Grave Ghoul [Grave Ghoul sounds better to me. Grave = more horrible + connection with the eating of dead bodies]
Vampire - Vampire Count
Fate Spinner - Doom Weaver
INFERNO CREATURES
Maniac - Demention
Lilim - Succubus
Broodspawn - Hellspawn
Juggernaut - Dreadnaut / Juggernaut Destroyer [who cares about Forge?]
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e-lysander
Known Hero
Lysander
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posted January 27, 2011 04:42 PM |
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Does it matter what the names are?
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 27, 2011 06:35 PM |
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I think there's like 0.01% chance something will change now
but ugh, I hate the namn Sister and Lacerator
there was nothing wrong with priestess though I know there was a special reason they had to change it and tormentor was much better than lacerator
everytime I look at a lacerator, I think "Tormentor"
I also still have quite a hard time thinking that the angels will be called Seraphs in the game
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Over himself, over his own
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