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DarkLord
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posted January 31, 2011 10:48 PM |
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Edited by DarkLord at 05:00, 10 Feb 2011.
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HoMM5 vs MMH6 - creatures design
As we are now in the world of Ashan, unfortunately (or fortunately for some of us) we have to face it..
So let's see does the H6 stand the comparsion to H5..
while it is hard-impossible to judge things like gameplay, new magic system, repuation and etc. as the game is not released yet,
we can still compare the creatures artworks and design..
so let's start.. express your opinions and vote...!
HAVEN
Archer VS Marksman
 
Squire VS Praetorian
 
Griffin
 
Inquisitor VS Vestal
 
Paladin VS Sun Rider
 
Angel VS Celestial
 
+ Radiant Glory will be compared to Rakshasa (as both creatures are new to series and they have more similarities in their look then any other creatures)
so
Rakshasa VS Glory
 
NECROPOLIS
Skeleton Archer VS Skeleton
 
Zombie VS Ghoul
 
Spectre
 
Vampire
 
Lich
 
Wight VS Fate Weaver Human Form (they will be compared to each other as both are new to series, i know Wight have similarities to HoMM3 one, but still it can be concidered new. Note that you have to compare only to human form of Weaver with six hands)
 
Spectral Dragon VS Fate Weaver Spider Form (as both being a champion units of Necropolis they have right to be compared. Now the Spider form!)
 
Manticore VS Lamasu (they are similar so compare them..!)
 
INFERNO
Cerberus
 
Succubus
 
Pit Lord
 
Devil VS Juggernaut
 
Demon VS Tormentor
 
Imp VS Maniac
 
Nightmare VS Breeder (as we got Breeder instead of Nightmare let's see if change was for better)
 
STRONGHOLD
Goblin
 
Centaur
 
Orc Mauler
 
Shaman VS Dreamwalker
 
Slayer VS Jaguar Warrior
 
Cyclops
 
Wyvern VS Hapry (we lost Wyverns and got Harpies.. Who is better???)
 
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now let's compare Heroes mounts
STRONGHOLD
 
HAVEN
 
INFERNO
 
NECROPOLIS
 
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted January 31, 2011 10:58 PM |
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Edited by MattII at 22:59, 31 Jan 2011.
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To compare art you have to compare in-game models, trying it any other way is worthless.
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Warlord
Famous Hero
Lord of Image Spam
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posted January 31, 2011 11:43 PM |
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Although I agree with MatII, I'll do it anyway.
Archer VS Marksman
Squire VS Praetorian
H5 Griffin VS H6 Griffin
Inquisitor VS Vestal
Paladin VS Sun Rider
Angel VS Celestial
Rakshasa VS Glory
Skeleton Archer VS Skeleton
Zombie VS Ghoul
H5 Ghost VS H6 Ghost
H5 Vampire VS H6 Vampire
H5 Lich VS H6 Lich
Wight VS Fate Weaver Human Form
Spectral Dragon VS Fate Weaver Spider Form
Manticore VS Lamasu
H5 Cereberus VS H6 Cereberus
H5 Succubus VS H6 Succubus
H5 Pit Lord VS H6 Pit Lord
Devil VS Juggernaut
Demon VS Tormentor
Imp VS Maniac
Nightmare VS Breeder
H5 Goblin VS H6 Goblin
H5 Centaur VS H6 Centaur
H5 Mauler VS H6 Mauler
Shaman VS Dreamwalker
Slayer VS Jaguar Warrior
H5 Cyclops VS H6 Cyclops
Wyvern VS Hapry
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 01, 2011 12:04 AM |
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I think it feels weird to compare creatures from H6 that did not exist in H5 but I will still do it.
Marksman
Praetorian
H5 Griffin
Inquisitor
Paladin (Havent really seen the sun rider in-game yet)
Angel (in-game...)
Rakshasa (without any doubts)
Skeleton
Ghoul
H6 Ghost
H6 Vampire
H6 Lich
Wight (have to wait to see it in-game)
Fate Weaver Spider Form
Lamasu
H6 Cereberus
H5 Succubus
H5 Pit Lord
Juggernaut
Tormentor
Imp!!!
Breeder (have to wait untill they appear in-game, but I love the concept!)
H6 Goblin
H6 Centaur
H6 Mauler
Shaman (will have to see Dreamwalker's animations)
Slayer
H5 Cyclops (H6 cyclops look overdone and just super-exaggerated)
Wyvern (JUST because of the Paokai)
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Over himself, over his own
body and
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Sleeping_Sun
Promising
Famous Hero
Townscreen Architect
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posted February 01, 2011 01:04 PM |
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H6 all the way...
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted February 01, 2011 01:38 PM |
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A number of unfair comparisons, for instance the glory to the rakshasa and not, say the sprite, the juggeranut to the devil istead of horned overseer and so on. There are few H5 units which I'd choose over H6, like lich, pit lord, goblin and shaman. Opinion may change as soon as I see the rest in battle.
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kodial79
Promising
Supreme Hero
How'd Phi's Lov't
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posted February 01, 2011 01:40 PM |
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A number of unfair comparisons, for instance the glory to the rakshasa and not, say the sprite, the juggeranut to the devil istead of horned overseer and so on. There are few H5 units which I'd choose over H6, like lich, pit lord, goblin and shaman. Opinion may change as soon as I see the rest in battle.
Don't you know? It's all about the pretty pictures! 
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B-E-T-A
Promising
Legendary Hero
Guess Who is Back?
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posted February 01, 2011 01:52 PM |
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Edited by B-E-T-A at 14:26, 01 Feb 2011.
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Following Econ's example:
Archer VS Marksman
Squire VS Praetorian
H5 Griffin VS H6 Griffin
Inquisitor VS Vestal
Paladin VS Sun Rider
Angel VS Celestial
Rakshasa VS Glory(UNCOMPERABLE! And I know I will be lynched for this, but I kind of like the Glory. All perversion set aside.)
Skeleton Archer VS Skeleton
Zombie VS Ghoul
H5 Ghost VS H6 Ghost
H5 Vampire VS H6 Vampire
H5 Lich VS H6 Lich
Wight VS Fate Weaver Human Form
Spectral Dragon VS Fate Weaver Spider Form
Manticore VS Lamasu
H5 Cereberus VS H6 Cereberus(H6 look cooler, but can't get past the two heads -.-)
H5 Succubus VS H6 Succubus
H5 Pit Lord VS H6 Pit Lord
Devil VS Juggernaut
Demon VS Tormentor
Imp VS Maniac
Nightmare VS Breeder
H5 Goblin VS H6 Goblin
H5 Centaur VS H6 Centaur
H5 Mauler VS H6 Mauler
Shaman VS Dreamwalker
Slayer VS Jaguar Warrior
H5 Cyclops VS H6 Cyclops
Wyvern VS Hapry
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There is no good or evil, only madness. The question is "Just how mad are you?"
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted February 01, 2011 01:57 PM |
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Graphic evolved from 2006,so units like griffin,marksman etc. are better than h5 ones.
Marksman
Praetorian
H6 Griffin
Inquisitor
Paladin
Angel
Rakshasa
H6 Skeleton
Ghoul
H5 Ghost
H5 Vampire
H5 Lich
Wight
Spectral Dragon
Manticore
H5 Cereberus
H6 Succubus
H6 Pit Lord
Devil
Tormentor
Imp
Nightmare
H6 Goblin
H5 Centaur
H6 Mauler
Shaman
Jaguar Warrior
H5 Cyclops
Wyvern
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Nightmus
Tavern Dweller
the wizard
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posted February 01, 2011 04:07 PM |
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Edited by Nightmus at 16:21, 01 Feb 2011.
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I mostly like both versions of creatures, so I'll list only those that don't have a tie.
Inquisitor VS Vestal
Though I find her cross-shaped decoration kind of odd. Does that mean she's a dedicated virgin? Then why the decollete?
Angel VS Celestial
I think H5 Angels are better looking. While their sword is bulky and awkward, at least they're not dual-wielding. Angels aren't berserks, it just doesn't fit.
Rakshasa VS Glory
It's hard to compare these two. Generally I like both of them, but Rakshasa is THE BEST H5 creature imo, thus he (and not-upgraded-she) wins. The glory is nice and all, but Haven gives me the impression of a faction with very strict sexual views, so the Glory is kind of a misfit here with her open-minded approach. Yeah, I know she's an elemental.
Skeleton Archer VS Skeleton
H6 skeletons don't look stupid and goofy, so they win hands down. The undead are supposed to scare the sh*t out of people, not make them laugh.
Zombie VS Ghoul
Same here, zombies don't look threatening. Being fat doesn't help either.
H5 Vampire VS H6 Vampire
I like the more classic version of Vampires. This new venom-based type is meh.
H5 Lich VS H6 Lich
H5 lich is MUCH better. He has a skull for a face and lots of details - the spellbook, the dagger, the staff, the robe with amulets and whatnot! He looks like a serious caster who can destroy armies of enemies. H6 Lich looks like a grumpy old man.
Wight VS Fate Weaver Human Form
Spectral Dragon VS Fate Weaver Spider Form
Manticore VS Lamasu
H5 Succubus VS H6 Succubus
Succubus is meant to seduce and H6 version looks more capable of it. I mean look at the H5 version - she hasn't got any skin! Bleh..
Devil VS Juggernaut
They look quite similar, but the first one is actually a devil, while the latter is just your average overgrown demon.
Nightmare VS Breeder
Nightmare by far! The Breeder is a creature from Silent Hill or Diablo or Splatterhouse, not from HoMM... It's creative, it's disgusting, but too carried away imo.
Wyvern VS Harpy
I like new harpies. Vivid colors and all.. =)
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Be careful with destruction spells!
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B-E-T-A
Promising
Legendary Hero
Guess Who is Back?
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posted February 01, 2011 04:36 PM |
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Though I find her cross-shaped decoration kind of odd. Does that mean she's a dedicated virgin? Then why the decollete?
Then why the hell is she on the battlefield?! She does not even have weapons! What is she suppose to do? Pray them to death? But hen again, this is not a "practicality contest" but an "art/concept contest" so I shall just shut up now.
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Angel VS Celestial
I think H5 Angels are better looking. While their sword is bulky and awkward, at least they're not dual-wielding. Angels aren't berserks, it just doesn't fit.
Honestly I must say I like the art style of H5 better than H6, but I like the angel of H6 better, I don't know why. But I got a question, "What does wielding two blades have ANYTHING to do with being a BERSERKER?" I mean if you pick up a sword and a dirk that does not automatically place you in the Berserker class. Personally I must say that I assosiacte Berserkers with mad warriors wielding huge weapons with almost no armor, who plungs into the rows of his enemies cuttingmowing them down with little effort, and even if he loses his arm or his leg he/she will still keep on fighting!
Do not take this as a criticsm on what you liked more or anything I would just like to know why you would associate dual-wielding with Berserkers.
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There is no good or evil, only madness. The question is "Just how mad are you?"
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evinin
Supreme Hero
Servant of Asha
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posted February 01, 2011 04:56 PM |
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HAVEN
Archer VS Marksman
Here I'm not that sure because the upgraded archer is also good-looking just like the Marksman.
Squire VS Praetorian
No comment here...
Griffin V VS Griffin VI
It looks more "realistic".
Inquisitor VS Vestal
Though I also like the Vestal (except the extremely stupid name). And let me remind all of you that the Monks from HOMM3 and HOMM4 also didn't have weapons but that didn't make them less cool and useful.
Paladin VS Sun Rider
I like both but the glowing horse is a little bit too much.
Angel VS Celestial
Androgenic forever!
Rakshasa VS Glory
Just for the haters... Also I never thought of the Rakshasa as a very awesome creature or so.
NECROPOLIS
Skeleton Archer VS Skeleton
I'm kind of use to the old guy and I don't like the new model much, too hard core for a skeleton. 
Zombie VS Ghoul
The Zombie was a joke...
Spectre V VS Spectre VI
The creature divided in three was really stupid.
Vampire V VS Vampire Vi
The new one is way more evil-looking.
Lich V VS Lich VI
I just love the way that he used his weapons. The new model is also good.
Wight VS Fate Weaver Human Form
I really like the Fate Weaver but the Wight is also awesome.
Spectral Dragon VS Fate Weaver Spider Form
No comment here...
Manticore VS Lamasu
No comment here...
INFERNO
Cerberus V VS Cerberus VI
There was something more charming in the old model... Oh, right, it had three heads...
Succubus V VS Succubus VI
Close call here but after seeing the in-game model I think that I prefer the old one.
Pit Lord V VS Pit Lord VI
No comment here...
Devil VS Juggernaut
No coment here...
Demon VS Tormentor
I don't like both but still.
Imp VS Maniac
No comment here...
Nightmare VS Breeder
No comment here...
STRONGHOLD
Goblin V VS Goblin VI
They both look very alike.
Centaur V VS Centaur VI
I never liked the old version.
Orc VS Mauler
Though both are not very interesting.
Shaman VS Dreamwalker
Shaman of course...
Slayer VS Jaguar Warrior
He looks very, very good...
Cyclops V VS Cyclops VI
No comment here...
Wyvern VS Hapry
Mutated parrot...
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TroggyMan
Adventuring Hero
Ragin' Tard
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posted February 01, 2011 05:55 PM |
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I might be one of the few who say that the h6 designs are vastly inferior, and that for one simple reason:
They are overdone.
There is just way too much detail put into them, they don't even feel remotely like anything you could expect a real army to produce, and no, I realize this is "fantasy" and all that crap, and that has nothing to do with it- the designs are just way off the charts when it comes to the suspension of disbelief, I honestly don't even think an army would use them under ceremonies. To me, it looks like a Brazilian carnival gone wrong.
Sure, h5 wasn't completely innocent either (a good example of this are the Squires, who seem to wear impractical ceremonial helmets) but they looked realistic, and fit the setting. This time around, every little footsoldier dresses like a late medieval king, demons look like the graphics that made Unreal Tournament 3 unplayable, and the orcs cover themselves in trinkets. The undead are okay I guess, but they still look unappealing, I prefer bones over corpses any day.
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MrDragon
Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
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posted February 01, 2011 07:44 PM |
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Also think it's a bit unfair but here's a stab at it anyway.
Archer VS Marksman
Squire VS Praetorian (Close)
H5 Griffin VS H6 Griffin
Inquisitor VS Vestal
Paladin VS Sun Rider
Angel VS Celestial
Rakshasa VS Glory (Feels arbitrary, don't feel they're comparable at all.)
Skeleton Archer VS Skeleton
Zombie VS Ghoul
H5 Ghost VS H6 Ghost
H5 Vampire VS H6 Vampire
H5 Lich VS H6 Lich
Wight VS Fate Weaver Human Form
Spectral Dragon VS Fate Weaver Spider Form
Manticore VS Lamasu
H5 Cereberus VS H6 Cereberus
H5 Succubus VS H6 Succubus
H5 Pit Lord VS H6 Pit Lord (Close)
Devil VS Juggernaut
Demon VS Tormentor (Close)
Imp VS Maniac (close cus I don't really like either of them)
Nightmare VS Breeder (Close)
H5 Goblin VS H6 Goblin
H5 Centaur VS H6 Centaur
H5 Mauler VS H6 Mauler
Shaman VS Dreamwalker
Slayer VS Jaguar Warrior
H5 Cyclops VS H6 Cyclops
Wyvern VS Harpy (Very Close)
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Nightmus
Tavern Dweller
the wizard
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posted February 01, 2011 11:16 PM |
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Edited by Nightmus at 23:33, 01 Feb 2011.
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Then why the hell is she on the battlefield?! She does not even have weapons! What is she suppose to do?
I guess she's a healer. It's possible that with it's playstyle Haven would have a unit with no attack, but with healing capabilities. Maybe she can protect herself with light magic (like discipline priests in wow) or is just supposed to stand in rear and be protected by others.
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Honestly I must say I like the art style of H5 better than H6, but I like the angel of H6 better, I don't know why. But I got a question, "What does wielding two blades have ANYTHING to do with being a BERSERKER?" I mean if you pick up a sword and a dirk that does not automatically place you in the Berserker class. Personally I must say that I assosiacte Berserkers with mad warriors wielding huge weapons with almost no armor, who plungs into the rows of his enemies cuttingmowing them down with little effort, and even if he loses his arm or his leg he/she will still keep on fighting!
Do not take this as a criticsm on what you liked more or anything I would just like to know why you would associate dual-wielding with Berserkers.
As I see it, a dual-wielding warrior is either an agile close combat expert focused on highly technique combat style with light or small weapons or a reckless, not caring about his/her defenses berserk, who slashes two enormous blades or whatever to inflict maximum damage while also frighten the enemies with his/her fearlessness. Well, I may have exaggerated a bit about Celestials being berserk, but their weapons look nowhere near light one-handed blades. I don't know, maybe they possess some divine powers, which let them overcome limitations of mere mortals and fight with grace, but that can be evaluated only by seeing videos.
Also, I'd like to point out something else. I like H6 Celestials overall, but there's one thing that bothers me. Why do they have such a [url=http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/kaspergm/Heroes6%20creatures/Hav71.jpg]suggestive armor[/url]? Why is there such an accent on their breasts and even a "bull's eye" pointer buckle in the perineal area? Aren't they angels, creatures that are fierce in righteous battle, but modest and sacrificing in behaviour?
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted February 02, 2011 01:09 AM |
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Aren't they angels, creatures that are fierce in righteous battle, but modest and sacrificing in behaviour?
Nope, they are Living Saints, on vacation from the gritty world of Warhammer.
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Momo
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted February 02, 2011 02:06 AM |
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I might be one of the few who say that the h6 designs are vastly inferior, and that for one simple reason:
They are overdone.
There is just way too much detail put into them, they don't even feel remotely like anything you could expect a real army to produce, and no, I realize this is "fantasy" and all that crap, and that has nothing to do with it- the designs are just way off the charts when it comes to the suspension of disbelief, I honestly don't even think an army would use them under ceremonies. To me, it looks like a Brazilian carnival gone wrong.
Sure, h5 wasn't completely innocent either (a good example of this are the Squires, who seem to wear impractical ceremonial helmets) but they looked realistic, and fit the setting. This time around, every little footsoldier dresses like a late medieval king, demons look like the graphics that made Unreal Tournament 3 unplayable, and the orcs cover themselves in trinkets. The undead are okay I guess, but they still look unappealing, I prefer bones over corpses any day.
While I appreciate overall the art style of Heroes 6, I stumbled on these very thoughts more than once. It's quite an interesting outlook on the matter, I'd say.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted February 02, 2011 09:20 AM |
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Inquisitor VS Vestal
I like more Vestal. No armour on Vestal because armour reduce movement freedom needed to cast spells. Maybe her clothes are magic and give some protection vs physic damage, maybe she rely on other haven units.
Centaur
I like more H6 Centaur, this is not zebra, this is warpaint on body.
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 02, 2011 04:17 PM |
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Yeah, I hope the Vestal atleast has some kind of magical shield of light around her as it looks like she would be one-shooted by every single creature in the entire game.
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Over himself, over his own
body and
mind, the individual is
sovereign.
- John Stuart Mill
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TroggyMan
Adventuring Hero
Ragin' Tard
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posted February 02, 2011 06:06 PM |
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Inquisitor VS Vestal
I like more Vestal. No armour on Vestal because armour reduce movement freedom needed to cast spells.
You need movement to cast spells? How does that work? Only yoga masters can cast armageddon? Why? I though spells needed just waving around a staff or an incantation, not acrobatics.
In medieval times, priests who went to war did, if they could afford it or had the military training, wear armor. Their weapons were limited to maces and hammers as these weapons were considered "bloodless" (though spikes were still okay for some reason).
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