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Fauch
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posted December 19, 2012 03:09 PM |
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There's what? 98,817 public schools in the USA, a few getting attacked hardly instigates a nationwide multi-billion programme of teacher military training, or a pay raise, or bloody turrets. (that figure doesn't include high-schools or colleges)
money, money, money. yes, it's probably not good for the economy, but it's not the only thing in the world. maybe it was only 20 children out of, I dunno, 10 millions. does that mean it is unsignificant?
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posted December 19, 2012 10:37 PM |
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and explain why legal guns are good for society
...it has also the potential to make kiddies go to heaven sooner than without guns, personally I see this as a double win.
And you really think anyone takes you serious anymore after such a comment in such a thread?
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted December 19, 2012 11:06 PM |
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And why not? I did put it into a comical format, mainly to avoid upsetting the intolerant atheists here, but I meant it in all seriousness.
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posted December 28, 2012 10:01 AM |
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Another homeowner saved by his gun. 
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HARRIS COUNTY - From KHOU TV and www.khou.com - A burglary suspect died late Thursday morning after he was shot by a homeowner who said he was defending his property.
The shooting occurred in northwest Harris County on Place Rebecca Lane just off Kuykendahl Road, according to the sheriff’s office.
Harris County Sgt. Robert Spurgeon said it was around 2 a.m. when the homeowner, 51, heard glass breaking in his condo. He went to investigate and found a man entering through a window.
The homeowner told deputies he warned the suspect to leave, but the man allegedly continued to enter the condo. That’s when the homeowner opened fire, striking the suspect in the head. The suspect was sent to Ben Taub Hospital in critical condition.
Deputies noted that the homeowner was defending his property and even has a Concealed Handgun License, but as per protocol, the case would be sent to a grand jury.
The suspect’s identity was not released, but deputies said the man was 22 years old.
The condos where the shooting occurred is the same location as a fire on Wednesday morning. The fire destroyed several units and forced crews to cut power to part of the complex. The male homeowner who opened fire said he decided to stay in his unit overnight to protect his belongings during the power outage.
Texas is not the only state letting teachers arm.
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Utah is among few states that let people carry licensed concealed weapons into public schools without exception, the National Conference of State Legislatures says in a 2012 compendium of state gun laws.
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posted December 28, 2012 02:05 PM |
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I wonder how many innocent people were killed by guns somewhere else in USA while this guy defended his home.
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Elodin
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posted December 28, 2012 04:34 PM |
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I wonder how many innocent people were killed by guns somewhere else in USA while this guy defended his home.
Innocent people have been deliberately killed by hands, fists, feet, stones, bottles, garden tools, and pretty much everything else wielded by those up to no good.
Sadly the criminally minded don't really pay attention to laws against killing or gun ownership or anything else they don't want to. A fact that seems to escape the liberal mind. 
With a gun a person has a good chance of protecting his life and the lives of his family. Without a gun he is at the mercy of the unmerciful perverted hardened mind of those who would do him and hi loved ones harm.
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Salamandre
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posted December 28, 2012 04:43 PM |
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IMO the problem is not how many people have guns, but how the guns are accessible. I have nothing against a well trained person having a gun, which implies also passing psychological advanced tests, then being periodically controlled mentally and physically by those in charge. The limits will come naturally then.
If not, where is stops? Why not having a tank? A scud? What about a nuclear bomb in your coop?
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Fauch
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posted December 28, 2012 05:05 PM |
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we created the problem when we made the 1st weapon. or maybe when the 1st man killed another man. we mass produced tools of destruction and probably didn't think much about the consequence. as long as they exist, someone is gonna possess them and that makes that someone potentially dangerous. what makes you think that the people who control access to weapons aren't gonna abuse this power?
they say power corrupts. weapons give power.
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angelito
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posted December 28, 2012 07:10 PM |
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With a gun a person has a good chance of protecting his life and the lives of his family. Without a gun he is at the mercy of the unmerciful perverted hardened mind of those who would do him and hi loved ones harm.
Yep...that's why we have millions of gun shots in germany with half a million death victims every year
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posted December 28, 2012 07:12 PM |
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With a gun a person has a good chance of protecting his life and the lives of his family. Without a gun he is at the mercy of the unmerciful perverted hardened mind of those who would do him and hi loved ones harm.
not this nonsense again...
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Salamandre
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posted December 28, 2012 07:29 PM |
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You can't compare with Germany or whatever outside US. Criminals are already armed in US and banning now weapons will play their game. When it went so far, there is no way to go back without harm.
In France is extremely rare to see some armed robbery. But if all robbers had a gun, I would feel very unfair that I can't buy one to answer.
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posted December 28, 2012 07:35 PM |
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This debate is completely pointless; there's no "right" answer. People die whether you have guns; people die because they don't have guns, people die because they do have guns. It's a lose-lose situation; people will die anyway, no matter what.
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posted December 28, 2012 08:08 PM |
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Maybe that's the answer actually - arm them all and let them shoot each other at will. Meanwhile the Iranians will laugh their asses off and the rest of the world will just tsk-tsk.
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posted December 28, 2012 08:27 PM |
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I wonder how many innocent people were killed by guns somewhere else in USA while this guy defended his home.
Innocent people have been deliberately killed by hands, fists, feet, stones, bottles, garden tools, and pretty much everything else wielded by those up to no good.
Sadly the criminally minded don't really pay attention to laws against killing or gun ownership or anything else they don't want to. A fact that seems to escape the liberal mind.
With a gun a person has a good chance of protecting his life and the lives of his family. Without a gun he is at the mercy of the unmerciful perverted hardened mind of those who would do him and hi loved ones harm.
If only Breivik had a garden tool instead of a gun... Thank god we do not have easy access to guns in Scandinavia because then we would lose so many more innocent people.
Sadly the criminally minded do much more harm with guns than with other weapons/objects. A fact that seems to escape the [insert ideology here] mind.
With a gun a person has a good chance of taking a life and the lives of innocents. Without a gun he is unable to kill almost 30 women and children.
Salamandre is right though. Taking all the guns overnight will only allow the heavily armed criminals to do whatever they want. Slow and steady wins the race.
And Fauch above is right too. People have ALWAYS tried to get the advantage against other people which is why we make new technology so fast. Wether it be weapons or wealth, we will always try or wish to be better than our neighbour.
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posted December 29, 2012 11:11 AM |
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Thing most Americans miss is that homicidal maniacs are almost always your "regular neighbor" type of guys.
To buy weapons in Poorland, you need to have access to organized crime.
You think they'd make deals with a spotty, 20yo nerd who wants to kill his school?
The answer is no, and that's why we don't have that kind of school shootouts here.
It's not easy to buy a gun illegally, contrary to what most Americans think. And gangsters don't deal with homicide, by the way. Mostly (at least here) they shoot each other. never heard of a mafia member shooting at kids in a random school.
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Zenofex
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posted December 29, 2012 03:33 PM |
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Thing most Americans regular Bible Belters suffering from pathological, atavistic fear of all things non-protestant miss is that homicidal maniacs are almost always your "regular neighbor" type of guys.
I think it's a bit more accurate that way.
On the other hand, I'm not sure who you're trying to convince.
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posted December 29, 2012 04:12 PM |
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Honestly, I don't know myself 
but most people, in defense of free guns, point how easy it is to obtain one illegaly.
Well, thing is, it's not easy, not for a typical guy who enters a college and shoots his former mates, at least.
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Fauch
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posted December 29, 2012 06:25 PM |
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how do you know? have you ever tried buying one?
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Doomforge
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posted December 29, 2012 07:04 PM |
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how do you know? have you ever tried buying one?
I've been sneaking around a bit over the internet.
An interesting fact: The guy who stormed one of our politicians' bureau in attempt to kill him used a 22LR ammo and a gun which was... a homebrew modification of a piece of old rusted garbage. Guess he couldn't get an illegal 9mm easily, huh? And that was a murder attempt, not some "home defense" joke.
How do you get a gun in Poorland? from an illegal importer? And where does he get it? All countries around have it banned. Stealing from legal owners draws too much unwanted attention (least you want is a documented piece of hardware), not to mention that buying from mere thieves carries too much risk for the smugglers. No kidding, it's not easy to get a gun here. Only organized gangs have an easier way around, but again: they don't enter school to shoot kids.
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posted December 29, 2012 09:07 PM |
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Acquiring handguns in places where it's illegal is only "easy" for the minority of serious, intelligent criminals that have knowledge, money, and connections. For the more common casual lawbreaker or mentally unstable lunatic, a ban on a certain grade of guns (or guns in general) will be fairly effective in keeping handguns away from them. They simply don't have the will or the know-how, or both.
I also don't think you can get very far with the argument that because there's already a ton of guns in the US, it would be pointless to put a ban up on a certain grade of firearms. That may be true, but the consequences of that would decline annually as more and more illicit guns are confiscated. There's a finite # of guns out there. The landscape of the US is a bit more problematic though. There's a heavily connected and capable network of drug cartels in the States+Mexico/Latin America, and where they transfer drugs around, they'll be bound to transfer weapons as well, although I suspect the #1 spot where they'd acquire weapons in the first place would be the US (weapons flow from the US to Latin America, and drugs flow from Latin America to the US). Either way, these cartels would probably be able to keep themselves well-armed for a long time. I don't think you can rightly separate gun violence and drug cartels into two separate contexts. They are highly interlinked with one another. A large portion of the homicides in the W. Hemisphere are directly or indirectly related to illicit trade. Stories about people that go into schools and shopping malls and shoot the **** out of people are what make the headlines and stir the nation up into a state of shallow sympathy, but in actuality, such instances are fairly irrelevant in the big picture (In before, "OMG YOU'RE SO COLD".) There are some people saying that there should be an on-duty cop in every school in the US, and it just makes me roll my eyes at the absurdity of doing that. That's like approximately a bagillion cops sitting around in school buildings 8 hours a day.
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