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Salamandre
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posted January 24, 2013 12:51 AM |
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Doomforge
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posted January 24, 2013 12:54 AM |
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Honestly, preparing for some sort of head-on assault on your home or a downright siege seems paranoid to me. What are the odds?
And for every other situation of robbery or assault, the gun is as useful as a toothpick - and that is whenever you get surprised (or when you're unaware).
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posted January 24, 2013 01:06 AM |
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Ok! Is the 1933 coins, Picasso paintings, Russian eggs or what do you have? Hiring security guards, security guard monitoring your Homm. Italians are very clever. Better salary guards.
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posted January 24, 2013 01:59 AM |
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Edited by Fauch at 02:02, 24 Jan 2013.
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For the rest of the arguments - I mean, what the hell are you discussing? I mean, sure TEXAS is a border state, but, err, Wisconsin? New York? Alaska?
it doesn't have to necessarily be about usa
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Honestly, preparing for some sort of head-on assault on your home or a downright siege seems paranoid to me. What are the odds?
according to the news, quite high. 
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posted January 24, 2013 08:23 AM |
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Edited by artu at 08:24, 24 Jan 2013.
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I've read the study linked in Elodin's clicky.(I don't know if he did or gave the link for the internal pdf link. It's this one). I must say it is a scientific study with proper references and it is well-written work. So it did make me reconsider and re-evaluate my opinions on the matter. Although I still see the gun culture of US very problematic and like most of the people, feel awkward when it comes in the form of "Burgler shot in the brain  , yippiee", I must admit the correlation between firearms and murder rates are much less than what I've read elsewhere. Yet, the study is very comprehensive and trustworthy so it surpasses earlier readings. It basically says that murder rates go up and down according to economic socio-cultural change, guns being banned or not is not a key factor. We already knew that part but the important thing is it proves with statistics that the ordinary citizen, the law abiding one, getting angry and shooting his wife kind of stuff is very unlikely. Earlier studies report domestic gun violence in a twisted way, because those domestic crimes are also from people with prior records of other crimes.
PS: Elodin, you may be disappointed to know that the study shows one of the reasons that murder rates drastically go down is legalized abortion. It prevents unwanted, born-to-become-a-criminal children in the first place.Damn, loony liberals strike again!
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posted January 24, 2013 01:10 PM |
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Edited by angelito at 13:12, 24 Jan 2013.
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If I have a gun and break into your house and you have no gun you are at my mercy. That is a FACT. Denying people the right to properly defend themselves is immoral....
The bolded part is already the main problem in your country. Maybe instead of talking about gun control, you should talk about reducing the reasons WHY someone needs to use a gun?
There are millions of house owners in Germany too (not in the time of Hitler, but nowadays...just to make this point clear!), but still we do not have any similar numbers of burglaries as the USA have.
Of course we have burglaries here too, but close to zero end up in shootings. Why?
Because it seems the burglars in Germany are that smart, they break into the hosue when it is EMPTY, so there is no need of using guns. And the burglars break into the hosue to STEAL something, not to KILL someone. So they don't expect to get caught or shot, so they do not have guns with them either...as simple as that.
And the argument "tha bad guys will alwaya get their guns" is also not valid in my eyes. Why?
Most of the burglars are not professional mafia-like criminals who belong to the organized crime, but are lone perpetrators. And those will also have difficutlies to get their hands on guns.
So if someone comes into your house to KILL you, be sure he is especially prepared to not get killed BY YOU. So I hardly believe you will have any chance to get your hands on your laser gun with atomic grenades included and protect yourself or your family.
Instead....
..do something against social unfairness, against poverty, against racism, and you will see how easy criminal rates will decrease. If your life status is acceptable, there are few to none reasons to become a criminal...
One good step is affordable health care for EVERYONE...
...next good step would be FREE EDUCATION for EVERYONE...
Believe it or not...even the USA can learn something from others...
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posted January 24, 2013 05:53 PM |
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One good step is affordable health care for EVERYONE...
...next good step would be FREE EDUCATION for EVERYONE...
Enough with the obnoxious Marxism! Want health care and education? You got to WORK HARD for it! easy!
@artu: the ironic part is that Elodin's arguments go right around to hit him in the back. Isn't he trying to prove that guns DO help against high crime rate? Why is he wasting his time then trying to prove that there is no correlation between those two?
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posted January 26, 2013 05:04 PM |
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Soccer must be banned NOW. It results in too much violence. Or at the very least we need strict soccer control. The players must all undergo psychological screening, background checks and obtain a license to play the game. The fans must undergo psychological screening and background checks in order to enter the stadium or to watch the game on TV or to read about it or to talk about it. Anyone buying a soccer ball should have an extensive background check and psychological tests.
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The director of hospitals in Egypt's Mediterranean city of Port Said says two soccer players are among the 27 people killed in riots there.
Violence erupted in Port Said after a judge sentenced 21 people to death in connection with a Feb. 1 soccer melee that killed 74 fans of the Cairo-based Al-Ahly team.
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posted January 26, 2013 05:11 PM |
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How many times have we had the argument about how things made for killing are slightly different than things that simply can result in death?
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posted January 26, 2013 05:12 PM |
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The fans must undergo psychological screening and background checks in order to enter the stadium
Actually that would be great. So called "Hooligans" are nothing but scum.
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posted January 26, 2013 05:17 PM |
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The fans must undergo psychological screening and background checks in order to enter the stadium
Actually that would be great. So called "Hooligans" are nothing but scum.
So true. Football hooligans really a pathetic and irrational creatures. Football is still less gay than american football though despite its much too often intelligence liberated fans.
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posted January 26, 2013 06:40 PM |
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How many times have we had the argument about how things made for killing are slightly different than things that simply can result in death?
How many times do we have to go over the difference between killing and murder? Guns were not made for murder. Criminals and lunatics will always use things for other than their intended purpose.
The thing is bleeding heart liberals who blame society instead of blaming criminals never want to keep the criminals locked up or to allow them to be put to death. Instead they want the "poor wittle mistreated victim" who has already raped and killed 5 victims to roam the street and condemn those folks who wish to be able to defend themselves.
A rational person would say that if a criminal breaks into someone's house and gets his head blown clean off his shoulders he has only himself to blame. Liberals should never be accused of being rational.
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posted January 26, 2013 06:44 PM |
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Guns were not made for murder.
roflmao
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posted January 26, 2013 06:49 PM |
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What is it with you and liberals?
No, but seriously, if you don't see the difference between soccer and a gun...
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posted January 26, 2013 07:27 PM |
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Guns were not made for murder.
You're right. They were made for war. There was no other purpose for them, why would you need a gun in the medieval ages? They were too inaccurate on their own to be used for self defense or hunting, were designed to punch holes in armor (thus rendering knights completely useless) and were even designed so that you could attach something pointy to the end of it when an advancing army came too close. There was no other reason for guns to exist.
The only purpose of a gun is to make killing, mass killings and warfare easier. That's it. So is it any wonder why they are used so effectively as weapons of murder? It's just a different application of their original purpose, after all.
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posted January 26, 2013 07:44 PM |
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Instead they want the "poor wittle mistreated victim" who has already raped and killed 5 victims to roam the street and condemn those folks who wish to be able to defend themselves.
Have you actually EVER seen anyone on this forum writing this? Because I honestly never saw a person who thinks so. Here, on other boards, in real life... nowhere.
Maybe it's time to admit that "Loony Liberals" are just a byproduct of your imagination?
Want to prove me otherwise? Quote someone that says criminals should go around unpunished on HC, go ahead.
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posted January 26, 2013 07:54 PM |
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Soccer must be banned NOW. It results in too much violence. Or at the very least we need strict soccer control. The players must all undergo psychological screening, background checks and obtain a license to play the game.
The fans must undergo psychological screening and background checks in order to enter the stadium or to watch the game on TV or to read about it or to talk about it.
Anyone buying a soccer ball should have an extensive background check and psychological tests.
Poland vs Russia Hooligans Best Fighting Footage Euro 2012+
You still think hooligans are not a threat? Change your rhetoric elodin, nobody here likes your attitude of calling obama obnoxious names, calling liberals all sorts of things and so on. But whatever, do as you please.
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posted January 26, 2013 08:29 PM |
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Edited by Corribus at 08:08, 27 Jan 2013.
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How many times do we have to go over the difference between killing and murder?
There is a difference between killing in self-defense and murder. And a normal, sane person tries to avoid both of them. There are way too many precautions to take before it comes to that. Yet the way you write, it as if you almost want to get burglarized to be able to justify shooting someone. Who knows, maybe underneath all that religious mmumbo jumbo, that is what you actually want. Maybe that is why you need all the religious stuff in the first place.
And we are really all tired of your mentally 5 year-old logic that compares guns and football, robots, knives, gremlins, whatever... It doesn't convince anyone, you are just making a fool of yourself and people pity you. Do you actually understand that? When your reasoning goes beyond a level, a level so primitive, people only feel a little sad about it and then go on with their lives. So stop the trolling unless you are an attention snow who likes this kind of answer.You had enough of them.
MOD EDIT: artu pls do not bypass the language filters. Moreover, try to attack the argument rather than the person making it. Your post is pushing the limits of what I'll tolerate. -C
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posted January 26, 2013 08:40 PM |
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Oh, Elodin is certainly not dumb. He's just refusing to give up his way of discussing, which involves a truckload of ad absurdum.
@artu: good advice, don't try to bypass the language filter, Corribus doesn't like that.
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posted January 27, 2013 03:47 AM |
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Instead they want the "poor wittle mistreated victim" who has already raped and killed 5 victims to roam the street and condemn those folks who wish to be able to defend themselves.
Have you actually EVER seen anyone on this forum writing this? Because I honestly never saw a person who thinks so. Here, on other boards, in real life... nowhere.
Maybe it's time to admit that "Loony Liberals" are just a byproduct of your imagination?
Want to prove me otherwise? Quote someone that says criminals should go around unpunished on HC, go ahead.
But it's a lot more gratifying to erect a strawman and then tear it to pieces. You make yourself an unwitting agent in pulling people away from your own viewpoint, but it sure does feel good.
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