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posted May 07, 2013 04:13 AM |
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3D printed gun
The Liberator model is a 3D-printed gun made almost entirely of non-metal materials, and the metal part is strictly to make it legal and could be replaced with the same heat-resistant plastic material. 3D printers are still in their beta stage, but we can safely assume that they're eventually going to plow their way to becoming more mainstream. Once you download the file, the printer can proceed to create the product, and minimal/no assembly may be required, as beta 3D printers are capable of creating molds into objects with movable parts.
For those fanciful of the regulation route, the difficulties may be multiplying probably within no more than 1 or 2 decades. A million different objects will be able to be downloaded and printed remotely, firearms not excluded. Zero shipping (aka smuggling) required. This will put you in a position where you either need to accept alternative methods of minimizing crime, or you'll have no choice but to immensely expand regulatory bodies, which will need to go beyond 3D printing but also to the internet in general. The big rub with 3D printing is that unlike with conventional firearm smuggling, all you need is a single person to leak the wrong file, and then as long as you've got the equipment and the raw materials, the device can be replicated to your heart's content.
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Salamandre
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posted May 07, 2013 01:19 PM |
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Gun industry is NOT any industry. So you would be ok with alcohol industry creating kids whiskey? Or tobacco? It is clearly something destinate to only adults, but unfortunately is not the age which defines an adult.
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posted May 07, 2013 03:19 PM |
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he couldn't properly train his boy the proper use and safety regarding firearms.
I don't think you can teach a 5 yo kid such responsibility. Most mums don't even allow 5 yos to light a match.
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posted May 07, 2013 03:26 PM |
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Edited by artu at 15:28, 07 May 2013.
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@fred
So, you think the proper age to start to learn about shooting is FIVE? Do you even remember when you were five? There is no way to teach a five year old to act properly, they are always unpredictable at some level, some more than others. This may not have been an accident, he may have shot her on purpose believing she is bullet-proof because he saw something like that on TV. He may even have thought of killing as a game because at that age you can not comprehend the reality of death. It's like "why don't my fish won't move anymore"
I understand people in the country hunt, but if you can learn to drive at fifteen, you can learn to shoot at fifteen. Besides, if it's about learning how to hold the gun and aim etc etc, there are always marble guns and stuff, guns that won't harm humans (at least fatally). And to give a functional gun to someone that little as a birthday present, kids will want to play with their birthday presents all the time. This is wrong on all levels Fred, there was no way it could have been properly done.
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posted May 07, 2013 03:39 PM |
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Edited by Elodin at 15:40, 07 May 2013.
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The issue is proper supervision of and proper training of the child, not "guns are eviiiiil, eeeeeeevil!!!!" I was taught to shoot at a young age and I taught my children to shoot at a young age. My father took me hunting when I was that age. I was properly supervised and trained with a gun.
The parents obviously did not properly supervise or train the child. Why was the gun not in a safe place and why was ammunition readily available for the kid?
There are also cases of very young kids who wind up driving an automobile and causing wrecks. Those same people complaining about the "evils of guns" should be attributing the same "evil" to automobiles.
Oh, and as long as there are imperfect human beings there will be accidents. That is a fact of life.
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Left alone in a running vehicle, a 2 1/2-year-old girl maneuvered its gears into drive and took a short but bumpy ride Thursday afternoon in Ephrata, police said.
Investigators said the vehicle, moving at a low speed, traveled across a sidewalk and a road, hitting a light pole and a parked car along the way, before coming to rest.
The child was not injured, according to police.
The incident happened around noon in the parking lot of Highland Elementary School, 99 Highland Ave.
Investigators said that Wendy Jo Lasher, 27, of Clay Township, had left her daughter unattended in the running vehicle while she went inside the school to pick up a student.
Ephrata police Sgt. Philip Snavely said it was unclear whether the child had been secured in a car seat or otherwise restrained.
Police said two children walking in the area had to run from the vehicle as it traveled across the street.
"This is a reminder to parents that, not only is it illegal to leave a child in a car unattended, it's also extremely dangerous," Snavely said. "This could have been dramatically worse."
Police said that Lasher is facing charges of endangering the welfare of children and leaving an unattended child in a motor vehicle.
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posted May 07, 2013 03:44 PM |
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You don't buy a five y-o a car, do you? And you can teach him to shoot when he's, at least a little bit older? What's wrong with that, better safe than sorry.
This is not about us demonizing guns, this is about you loving them too much. You just can't realize it because it seems normal to you.
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posted May 07, 2013 04:16 PM |
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Elodin is living on another planet, unknown to me. To suppose that you CAN train a 5 yo kid and give him responsibility about REAL guns, that he understands exactly what are the consequences and dangers, you dude must have been some Einstein at that age. A kid is unpredictable, is a matter of brain development.
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posted May 07, 2013 04:20 PM |
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Elodin is living on another planet, unknown to me. To suppose that you CAN train a 5 yo kid and give him responsibility about REAL guns, that he understands exactly what are the consequences and dangers, you dude must have been some Einstein at that age. A kid is unpredictable, is a matter of brain development.
Yes, I live on planet Earth. Some of you folks seem to live on planet Loony-Tunes, the homeworld of liberalism.  Yes, I admit I have always been mature for my age. Perhaps I am the next step in human evolution? 
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posted May 07, 2013 04:22 PM |
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No man, there is nowhere in the civilized world such high criminality as in US. Think at this fact before parading.
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posted May 07, 2013 04:59 PM |
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Edited by fauch at 17:24, 07 May 2013.
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aren't there smoke for kids?
we had guns too when we were kids. except they were plastic and fired rubber darts.
also, offering a gun for a birthday for example, kinda defeats the point of a background check.
in skyfall, there is that gun that only Bond can use. does it really exist? so you can make sure that only the guy who was allowed to buy a gun after a background check is allowed to use it. and not his kids for example.
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posted May 07, 2013 06:14 PM |
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The issue is proper supervision of and proper training of the child, not "guns are eviiiiil, eeeeeeevil!!!!" I was taught to shoot at a young age and I taught my children to shoot at a young age. My father took me hunting when I was that age. I was properly supervised and trained with a gun.
Many fathers teach their kids to drive a car in young age.
But you don't see them buying a car for their 5 yo kid, do you?
I guess that subtle difference evaded you...
if we have killing tools for children, armed with real ammunition, I demand small cars for kids that can go up to 200 km/h. Why not? if you can give your kid a shotgun and expect him to be mature, why can't you buy him a car and expect him to drive reasonably?
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posted May 08, 2013 01:08 AM |
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Yes, death happens, accidents happen but you don't jump into a pool of sharks. It's actually amazing how you think buying a 5 year-old a shotgun as long as you are not stupid (and who'll decide that, nobody think of themselves as stupid) is the normal thing and it is the rest of world that is abnormal to you. This gun thing is like a fetish with you guys.
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posted May 08, 2013 01:27 AM |
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nobody think of themselves as stupid
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posted May 08, 2013 01:35 AM |
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Edited by Seraphim at 01:50, 08 May 2013.
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artu
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posted May 08, 2013 02:00 AM |
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Are you saying a 5 year-old wont be able do these by himself (if so, then why not buy him a toy gun instead) or are you saying he can and WILL SURELY do these things. Because from what I remember safety isn't your first concern when you're five. If you're going to hide the gun when you're not around, then what kind of a birthday gift is that?
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posted May 08, 2013 02:39 AM |
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MOD EDIT: If you have nothing constructive to write, fred, then please don't write anything at all. Posts that contain nothing but vitriol and personal attacks against HC members are not tolerated here. You have been warned a few times now. Consider this your last warning.
you don't get any more warnings, corribus. i have seen people on here post that they wanted to kill each other, dismember each other, but THOSE posts go un-"mod"ified. but, you threaten me yet AGAIN over something I said. i am tired of you singling me out.
Fred, that is done in the "Joke" section of HC. AKA, the place where all the trolls gather and the heathens go to be a smote. The "Death threats" you've seen are people just joking around or blowing off steam from their job, and are in no way meant to be taken seriously. The OSM, on the other hand, has a very, very serious "0 tolerance" policy on this crap, and this is the section that Corribus moderates.
Oh, and for the record the post in question did not relate to the topic, was derogatory towards many members on this board and honestly deserved to be singled out. 
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posted May 08, 2013 02:48 AM |
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Are you saying a 5 year-old wont be able do these by himself (if so, then why not buy him a toy gun instead) or are you saying he can and WILL SURELY do these things. Because from what I remember safety isn't your first concern when you're five. If you're going to hide the gun when you're not around, then what kind of a birthday gift is that?
i really don't understand why you can't get what i am trying to say, artu. the parent(s) are responsible for this. the parent(s) are who are to blame, because they did not teach their kid the BASICS OF FIREARM SAFETY, and because they obviously weren't SUPERVISING their child, who had ACCESS to firearms??? 
Everybody agrees that the parents are responsible. We just don't agree on what they should have done. You claim there is an actual responsible way to buy your 5 year old a shotgun and we say no way, the thing itself is absurd. I also say that in some places this gun culture, not freedom culture, is so deeply rooted, you can't see the absurdity of the situation.
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posted May 08, 2013 02:59 AM |
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and what do americans think of children soldiers?
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posted May 08, 2013 03:00 AM |
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and what do americans think of children soldiers?
Child soldiers = A war crime/ crime against humanity. Kind of funny, right?
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posted May 08, 2013 04:11 AM |
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5 seems like an extremely young age to teach a kid a firearm, but honestly, I wouldn't at all have a problem with a parent doing it if they were directly supervising them and holding the gun with them. I wouldn't even have a problem if there was a 10-year-old handling the gun on their own (with an adult around). To a certain extent, children are only as immature as you treat them. If you give them low expectations, then expect little in return. Guns are not complicated; in fact they're actually pretty ***ing simple, and they're certainly far less complicated than driving a vehicle, and you can teach a kid to responsibly drive a vehicle younger than the age of 16.
The more you pointlessly treat something like a bigger deal than it actually is, the more susceptible young audiences are going to be to mistreat it. Just compare the attitude of alcohol for an Italian kid versus an American kid. The Italian kid sees their parents drinking a glass of wine for supper and thinks "Whatever". They might even have a small glass themselves on occasion. If you don't go through all sorts of unnecessary, overreactive antics to treat something like it's some kind of mysterious forbidden fruit, they are far more likely to approach it in a stable, safe manner. Young kids that are familiarized with guns among families that do hunting & sporting are safer than those that have guns around and yet aren't familiarized with them. Wisdom is a virtue, ignorance is a vice.
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