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Warlord
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posted May 26, 2011 01:37 AM |
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In retrospect, starting a thread on race maybe wasn't the best idea.
I'm sure Frankenstein thought the same way.
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Aculias
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posted May 26, 2011 01:54 AM |
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Dang look at the Duke Go lol.
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gnomes2169
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posted May 26, 2011 02:13 AM |
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@ Duke & Skelly: Really, guys? I'm almost certain that you can find people in every culture from every background and every race that does the exact thing you just described. Most commonly or publicly it might be the gypsies, but I'm willing to bet that there are a few centuries of prejudice built up against these nomadic people in every country (except post WW2 America/ North-Western Europe), and that they are not as bad as many would make out on the whole. I know old hatreds die hard, but like any fire they can die if people stop throwing more fuel on them. That's all I have to say about that.
In America, if I am a wealthy, white male and a black/ other minority female that works in a lower-class job or is unemployed accuses me of making sexual advances on her or racism, I will lose in a "Fair" trial. Why? Because I'm a white male and am therefore "inherently deceitful," and she is a minority, automatically making her word worth more than and witness's and giving everything she says the golden mark of truth.
Have I mentioned that I hate American law and government? 
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Elodin
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posted May 26, 2011 02:56 AM |
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Yes, please, I didn't start this thread as a venue in which to slam specific races.
In retrospect, starting a thread on race maybe wasn't the best idea.
It should be possible to have a civil discussion about perceptions, laws, and judicial decisions regarding race issues here and in society as a whole. It is the slamming of specific races that is the problem, not discussion of race issues. The OSM is for real world discussions and so I see nothing wrong with the topic you started.
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MacMasterMC
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posted May 26, 2011 04:17 AM |
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Stepping aside from your concern about making the thread or not, we need to consider from a yes/no standpoint.
Are white males discriminated against?
Either they are or are not.
The answer?
Sadly, Gnomes has it right. Because of who the supposed majority is (which straight out demographics show that that is a misnomer anymore), its true that there is an assumed guilt in any case of right or wrong, my opinion vs your opinion.
Do white males lose jobs that others would not lose? Not that others who are not can't lose them, but if it is between the white male and someone who is a woman, or any other ethnicity (or even looks like they are), the white male can lose the job, and have absolutely no recourse that really makes a difference, EVEN in legitimate wrongful termination suits, most times those fail.
If it was a woman or anyone of an ethnicity, the moment that they say anything about racism or sexism, if they are still fired, woe be to the company! PR will murder the company/firm/etc.
Very simply, white males are discriminated against. Call it reverse discrimination, call it disallowed racism, whatever you like.
Can a white male be eligible for anything that any other race is not allowed to receive? It is called racist.
If any kind of award, scholarship, etc excludes whites, is it racist?
Not as far as the world is concerned. Not that that makes it right.
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Aculias
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posted May 26, 2011 05:56 AM |
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Of course Gnomes is right. I made a thread specifically for Women power.
A big thx to OJ Pimpson (Simpson) plus another incident which was the cause of a man getting arrested if accused of Assault.
I think it was the late 90's.
A woman called the cops on her BF about him threatening to kill her.
The cops came before more could happen, but they could not do much. Mostly because there was no proof & he said there was nothing he can do.
Before he can even get in his police car, he pulled a gun out 7 shot her dead right in front of the cop.
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Smithey
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posted May 26, 2011 08:42 AM |
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Edited by Smithey at 09:03, 26 May 2011.
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You guys are so unaware of the world you are living in, which just emphasize the correctness of my post on the first page.
Questions for all of those who are claiming such a harsh discrimination
1. Is any of you working for a successful firm that's making loads of money ? Do you have any interactions with such firms ?
Let me hit you with some facts :
Personal facts :
1. My girl is smart, she got her degree in a better university, she had better grades than me, she has worked ten times harder than me, at the end of the day everything I achieve is because I am a charismatic smart guy, everything she achieves, well 80% of the people will always say she reached her goals because of her looks.
2. In our firm there is a 50:50 guys:girls, 90% of the girls work in administrative positions while decision making is 90% white males, making for huge differences in salary.
3. My firm has the same workplace demographics as any other international firm I have worked with in Europe or USA.
Universal facts about salary gaps : (not bothering with looking up for links as it is a widely known fact, if you don't believe me, feel free to research it and you'll see that I'm right)
1. White female gets payed 72% of what white male gets paid
2. Black male gets paid 70% of what white male gets paid
Those are huge gaps btw !
List of top 100 CEO's this year as published by forbes
Forbes top 100
Girls on a list ? 1.
Non-whites maybe 1 as well, I haven't noticed any...
What is referred to as an "Institutional racism", denies access to the goods, services, and opportunities of society to non-whites, it's a well known fact, it is alive and kicking in many of the countries in the western world.
I work with international firms, decision making is all white males, check any of the top firms in your country, successful lawyer firms, wall street, anything that makes top bucks and I promise you that you will find out that over 85% of the decision making is in the hands of white males, top salaries belong to white males, top jobs belong to white males.
Women and non-whites get just a small percentage of quality jobs, we call it the "token" position, that is when big firms give a certain position to a woman or a non-white male, Why is it done ? Simply, in order to be perceived as the firm which doesn't discriminate based on gender and race.
All those are pure facts of the world you live in, are there many specific stories you can dig up about racism towards whites, of course they are, because only bad is worthy of our attention (if a plane crashes we will all hear about it, the fact that the same plane landed 30000 times before is irrelevant and unheard of) so yes, if you get discriminated against once that is what you will remember however you will completely disregard the discrimination towards others... that is how human psyche works.
All your examples pale in comparison with the examples of the actual minorities, majority of your examples are focused on bottom feeders.
Racism is alive and kicking and I promise you that thus far we have the upper hand (if that can be claimed when it comes to racism) when it comes to discriminating others. So yes there is discrimination towards whites but on a scale of 1-10 it's a 2 at worst, as opposed to minorities.
Basically, rant away and vent all you want but it won't change the fact that us white males are indeed those who are running the show, if you can't seem to grasp that it just means you're suffering from a pure subjective blindness....
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angelito
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posted May 26, 2011 09:45 AM |
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We have mainly problems with gypsies. They are racist to us and are suprised that we hate them. They only destroy, destroy, destroy, steal and take the benefits from the country because they are too lazy to work. Gypsies beat up lot of people. Media - nothing. But once white people beat up a gypsie that provoked them, the media was full of Czech racism against gypsies.
Absolutely the same here in Hungary. Those lazy snows do nothing just breed like vermin and steal and beat up others. But if you punch them right in their dirty faces they cry as laud as hell that there are brutal racism against poor them...
Here in Hungary people hate them strongly. And they deserved it as much more punishment they must get soon. They are the kind of humanoid(?) whom have no intentions at all to integrate into society.
Into the hell or into the sun with them...
Those kind of posts are not welcomed here on HC. I will take care of them and take action later.
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Duke_Falcon
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posted May 26, 2011 11:16 AM |
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Those kind of posts are not welcomed here on HC. I will take care of them and take action later.
I have edit my original post and apologise, but they are really annoying. Sorry for the offensive post but after someone seen what are they doing in all of their life it is hard to be patient and do not dislike them.
I'm not racist but they sometimes make me think that racism may have some inner truth...
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foxxxer
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posted May 26, 2011 02:32 PM |
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Edited by foxxxer at 14:36, 26 May 2011.
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The gypsy's problem isn't only in Czech Rep. and Hungary. Whole south-east Europe has the same problem. In my country the gypsies receive social subsidy from the tax of the working people. They don’t work, don’t pay for bus tickets, their children don’t go to school though the education is free (books and everything). They prefer to steal or beg for money on the streets. The country gives them more rights because the EU policy and the people are affected. Last year Bulgarian gypsies were expulsed (expelled) from France because their crimes. France gave them 500 euros per person if they sign a document that they’ll never come back.
But the source of the problem is the communists IMO. In 20th century the communists pushed them in the ghettos, gave ‘em awful jobs. In many cities and towns they have been enclosed with walls around the ghettos. So, they have been concentrated and never had had a chance for prosperity. This concentration has established a morbid environment. For them the education is something shameful. Now they make a lot children because the social subsidies. These children are poor and forced from their parents to steal, prostitute or beg for money. The social services don’t care about that. The government only cares to looks like we’re social country and we care for the poor as gives these subsidies. The only way out is to educate them – they must see that there is another path.
The bloody truth is that our ancestors trampled them and now they revenge to us. And my country still is wrong about gypsies. There is no will to integrate them. Only clips on the TV for integration which are dust in the eyes.
Many people here probably won’t understand but in south-east Europe we’re discriminated by our countries. The government must obligate ‘em to go school and gives ‘em municipal jobs instead more rights. This isn’t racialism or ethnic discrimination. This is the f****** truth.
So, I can understand Duke_Falcon and HappySkeleton but they must realize that the source of the problem is elsewhere not only the gypsies themselves. It’s not a fool who eats the cake but this one that gives the cake.
P.S. I apologize about my English skills.
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mvassilev
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posted May 26, 2011 05:26 PM |
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smithey:
It's only racism/sexism if it's caused by race/sex. How do you know the people are equally qualified? If blacks tend to be poorer in general, it makes sense there'd be fewer of them in high positions. Doesn't mean they're being discriminated against.
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HappySkeleton
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posted May 26, 2011 05:29 PM |
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Those kind of posts are not welcomed here on HC. I will take care of them and take action later.
I´m sorry for what I wrote. I edited the post. I just remembered one bad thing that happened to me some time ago.
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wog_edn
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posted May 26, 2011 05:54 PM |
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Well I actually have to agree with Duke and Happy though, they are annoying and rude as hell. They mutter some strange words as you pass by them sitting on every corner, if you don't give them money then they mutter some strange words in an "angry" fashion which can only be an insult. Also they are (among other "tourists) the ones behind a huge part of the crime in Norway. They are a pest, it's as simple as that. It's not racism, it's truth. Most of the Norwegian wish for them to be gone as well, so it's a public opinion...
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Clay_Man
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posted May 26, 2011 06:20 PM |
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Smithey
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posted May 26, 2011 07:16 PM |
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smithey:
It's only racism/sexism if it's caused by race/sex. How do you know the people are equally qualified? If blacks tend to be poorer in general, it makes sense there'd be fewer of them in high positions. Doesn't mean they're being discriminated against.
1. Institutional racism is in fact what keeps the poorer down by denying opportunities that's the definition of it.
2. While I was in university I had to do a study on racism, part of my research was sending 3000 CV's to top firms trying to get a job, we created the same CV's with the only difference being the name of the person, 1000 were names of women, 1000 African American names and the last 1000 of white males .... The results screamed racism and sexism as the numbers of the applicants who were summoned for an interview was something along the lines of almost 300 white males, less than 50 females and just a bit above 50 black males..... Reminding you that the only difference in the CV was the name of the person....
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Vlaad
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posted May 26, 2011 07:44 PM |
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I can elaborate more on the gipsy issue if anyone's interested, however it might require a new thread
Here's a good topic about Roma. Please read it before replying.
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Corribus
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posted May 26, 2011 07:51 PM |
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@Smithey
I'd like to see that study. If it wasn't published, though, it's hard to trust your alleged conclusions.
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Smithey
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posted May 26, 2011 08:23 PM |
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Edited by Smithey at 20:25, 26 May 2011.
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@Corribus
Alleged conclusions... Gee, thanks for callin me a liar/dumbass, I don't know how it was in your university but we did a bunch of papers, I didn't really care for the publishing part as grades and chasing girls is what I was more concerned with in my college days, so yeah asking me to give you any of the papers I've done back then is hilarious to me (did you really keep yours?)
but I ran a fast google search for you and here you go, this is the first one that popped out, haven't really read it but it looks like the one we did back then as we hardly invented the wheel (meaning it's a well know research technique, so if you really want to know more you will find it in a sec)
Fake CV
But seriously, of my three previous posts on this topic this is the only thing you have a problem with ? Can you really bring anything to the table that will prove me wrong and claim there is no racism in the states or all over Europe ? As stated before this whole thread is ridiculous at best....
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Corribus
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posted May 26, 2011 08:44 PM |
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Edited by Corribus at 21:44, 26 May 2011.
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Temperance, Dear Corribus, temperance...
I've deleted my old post, Smithey, and will replace it by a much calmer:
I meant no offense, and was certainly not calling you a liar or questioning your honor. I was genuinely interested in the study you mentioned, but as I am not in the habit of taking at face value the conclusions of any study, I wanted to know if you still had it around so I could look at it. I would rather determine for myself what a body of data means than have someone else tell me what they think it means. That's the scientist in me, my friend, and it will never change.
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mvassilev
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posted May 26, 2011 08:46 PM |
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The report found there was no plausible explanation for the difference in treatment other than racial discrimination.
I don't know what this report is, but I can think of non-racist reasons why they would get this result.
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