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Smithey
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posted May 30, 2011 01:33 PM |
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Edited by Smithey at 09:49, 31 May 2011.
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Drug that can erase memories invented.....
ScienceDaily (May 27, 2011) — Recalling painful memories while under the influence of the drug metyrapone reduces the brain's ability to re-record the negative emotions associated with them, according to University of Montreal researchers at the Centre for Studies on Human Stress of Louis-H. Lafontaine Hospital. The team's study challenges the theory that memories cannot be modified once they are stored in the brain.
"Metyrapone is a drug that significantly decreases the levels of cortisol, a stress hormone that is involved in memory recall," explained lead author Marie-France Marin. Manipulating cortisol close to the time of forming new memories can decrease the negative emotions that may be associated with them. "The results show that when we decrease stress hormone levels at the time of recall of a negative event, we can impair the memory for this negative event with a long-lasting effect," said Dr. Sonia Lupien, who directed the research.
Thirty-three men participated in the study, which involved learning a story composed of neutral and negative events. Three days later, they were divided into three groups -- participants in the first group received a single dose of metyrapone, the second received double, while the third were given placebo. They were then asked to remember the story. Their memory performance was then evaluated again four days later, once the drug had cleared out.. "We found that the men in the group who received two doses of metyrapone were impaired when retrieving the negative events of the story, while they showed no impairment recalling the neutral parts of the story," Marin explained. "We were surprised that the decreased memory of negative information was still present once cortisol levels had returned to normal."
The research offers hope to people suffering from syndromes such as post-traumatic stress disorder. "Our findings may help people deal with traumatic events by offering them the opportunity to 'write-over' the emotional part of their memories during therapy," Marin said. One major hurdle, however, is the fact that metyrapone is no longer commercially produced. Nevertheless, the findings are very promising in terms of future clinical treatments. "Other drugs also decrease cortisol levels, and further studies with these compounds will enable us to gain a better understanding of the brain mechanisms involved in the modulation of negative memories."
Brain delete....
At first I thought to myself WOW, this is great but then I started thinking more about it, the more I thought about it, more and more questions started popping up, so this is what I came up with...
- The whole point of life is experience, mistakes teach us more than our successes ever will so if we were to simply erase all the bad, then...
We are a product of our experience - Will erasing certain experiences not change the essence of who we are ?
What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger - If we erase our bad memories will it not mess with our coping abilities? With our mental strength? With how we deal with certain things in the future ? With how to avoid future pain if we already went through one ?
- What about repeating patterns ? Let’s say that your actions and behavior pushed you into certain mistakes, once you erase those memories without the experience of what you’ve learned are we not doomed to repeat those same mistakes again, because it is part of our nature ?
- What are bad memories at all ? When my girlfriend dumps me it hurts as hell and I wish I’ve never known her at all but 5 years later it’s just fuuny, I no longer feel that pain, I’m actually glad it happened, Who is to say that what was once painful will indeed be painful in 10 years from now ? DO we not evolve and change ? Will we not be sad to lose some of those so called “painful memories” ?
- Where does one draw the line ? If a 6 year old girl is brutally raped, should her parents erase her memory or wait until she’s old enough to decide for herself ?
Who decides what is too painful anyway ? should we allow everyone to erase whatever they choose too ? I had an ice cream but I didn’t like it I should just take a pill and forget about it ???
- Can anybody without a doubt promise that there are no side effects to using this drug, can they say for certain that they know for a fact it is ok to mess with human brain ?
- Will it not make us think less of our actions ? won’t we be sometimes too light with our actions following the simple let’s just do it and in the worst case scenario I’ll erase my memory ?
- What about the abuse of such drug ? I cheat on my girl, she finds out so I slip her the pill, I rape someone and just slip her the pill afterwards, I can just erase anyone’s memory simply because I got mad at him for the most ridiculous reason ever ? Erasing someone’s entire life because I thought it was hilarious ? those are scary thoughts IMO…
- What about crimes ? Criminal erases his memory and he doesn’t even know why he’s in jail ? Victim erases her/his memory and then few years later finds out about it in the local newspaper, how freaky is that ? And what with all the other people who know she was raped, how scary is the thought that everybody else knows more about you than you know about yourself ???
- What about the people in our lives ? With most of my friends I went through stuff, after all it is well known that true friends are those who are there when you need them the most, all of the times I was there for my friends, all those things that got us closer, once those memories are erased half of the people in my life won’t even know why are they friends with me ?
- And there are probably so many other things I can’t even think of, but let’s not forget that there is so much good that can be done with this drug, so many people can be helped to live “normal” lives, but I’m going to live that to you guys….
Discuss, ask, answer, give your opinions on the subject, I’m pretty certain everyone can pitch in....
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Darkshadow
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posted May 30, 2011 01:51 PM |
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Im confuse.
Does this drug delete EVERY memory you have?Like you would no longer remember who you were.
Or can it be used to delete specific parts?
Btw, Considering the massive abuse it could cause, I don't think this drug will be avaible for the public market very soon 
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Smithey
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posted May 30, 2011 02:09 PM |
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Indeed you can delete certain memories, it was invented in order to erase certain traumas from people's brains such as post traumatic disorder or any other bad memory, It's purpose is to so called allow people who went through traumas a fresh start and a chance at a "normal" life....
Whether it can be used to erase all of your memories, well I don't know but if it can erase one or more memories, I think it's safe to assume it can erase even more (but I don't know for certain, I just read it myself  )
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meroe
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posted May 30, 2011 02:13 PM |
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It sounds like an even more 'numbing' type of drug than say Valium. Doesn't erase all memory, just numbs your traumatic emotions regarding it. Weird actually.
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Lexxan
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posted May 30, 2011 02:16 PM |
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I'm calling an ethical debate on brainwash operations, on Nazis, on all sorts of undead minions, on the legalization of drugs, on Amsterdam graveyards and on whether all of this isn't God's will or foreshadowed by the Book of Revelations.
YOU READ IT HERE FIRST.
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Elvin
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posted May 30, 2011 02:31 PM |
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What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger
Or completely crushes your spirit. Some people cannot handle just about everything - we've all heard of people who either lost their mind, commited suicide or abandoned enerything, to become alcoholics/drug abusers and so on. To them it it just might be what what they were seeking.
But I'd disagree with allowing the prescription of this drug to just everyone. Lack of memory can lead to some serious problems and there is no shortage of people who wouldn't mind abusing the situation to their advantage.
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Smithey
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posted May 30, 2011 02:46 PM |
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But who gets to choose if one is worthy of the drug Elvin ?
How do you decide whether one will become an alcoholic or worlds greatest musician/writer/any talent ?
I'm not claiming I have the answers though, I just keep throwing more questions in
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JoonasTo
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What if Elvin was female?
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posted May 30, 2011 02:50 PM |
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Edited by JoonasTo at 14:51, 30 May 2011.
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So what's the news?
I know of a drug that makes you lose your memory.
Now gather around people, here's a round of moonshine!
If you start losing your vision it's a sign of not enough prebooze and can only be treated by more booze!
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blizzardboy
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posted May 30, 2011 02:53 PM |
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Drug is a potential prescription for post-traumatic stress syndrome. As far as the abuse aspect; it's now one more of a thousand other possibilities out there.
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Smithey
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posted May 30, 2011 02:58 PM |
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Edited by Smithey at 15:00, 30 May 2011.
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So what's the news?
I know of a drug that makes you lose your memory.
Now gather around people, here's a round of moonshine!
If you start losing your vision it's a sign of not enough prebooze and can only be treated by more booze!
But this one is a specific memory, it's not the same as you blacking out after that "nice" gentleman showed you the back of his house and gave you some tea.... 
I'm sorry it had to be done lol
Must learn to control my urges... maybe a new type of a drug will work 
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Seraphim
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posted May 30, 2011 06:12 PM |
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@smithey
Some things in life we cal lexprenice are not very important.Lets say you got beaten by some thugs on your way home,wouldn't you really wanan forget that?
I would use that drug to make me forget negative experiences,ex girlfriends and such.
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Insanity
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posted May 30, 2011 09:57 PM |
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i think its a great thing but it must be used after meticulous examination by specialists and not by just anyone.
i volunteer with kids and so many of them went through horrible things, those things scarred them for life, only a few of them will ever live a normal life and others will either live with pain or inflict it on others, i believe in hard work but a magic pill that takes your problems away is a cool solution to some of the ppl out there coz not everyone is strong enough mentally 2 deal with life, i support it fully and i would like it to be accepted asap, the faster its here the faster we can help many poor ppl out there, everybody deserves to live especially those who already had it so hard,
drug the world and make it a better place 
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Lexxan
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posted May 30, 2011 10:09 PM |
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While one could pose some questions whether erasing memories is ethically justified, or is just one giant conspiracy from some evil pharm multinational to take over the whole world by brainwashing mankind like zombies, I do think some benefits can be found by this medical solution.
and for the record, I am not just talking about mental traumas.
I feel that if science can find such a cure to clear depressions, I do think they should be able to find a reverse treatment to bring back (short- or long-term) memories: If this drug works, I am fairly certain Scientist will find a way to reverse the process and produce a cure for Amnesia or -even better- Alzheimer's desease.
I personally am glad they've invented it, although obviously mankind should get carried away by it -or abuse it- for it can bring a lot of evil in the wrong hands... but that is, of course, to be determined by ethici and conspiracy theorists alike.
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Doomforge
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posted May 30, 2011 10:15 PM |
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Wow, I'd so take this.
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Lexxan
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posted May 30, 2011 10:25 PM |
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^ Abuse: Exhibit A
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Elodin
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posted May 31, 2011 01:02 AM |
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Such a drug will result in more harm than good. We all have positive and negative experiences in life and have to learn how to cope with both. Negative experiences can help us grow if we respond to them properly. Erasing memories of "negative experiences" also means we erase our ability to have empathy for others going through such experiences and lessens our ability to help them.
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baklava
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posted May 31, 2011 02:16 AM |
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Edited by baklava at 02:18, 31 May 2011.
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*reads the above post*
*nods in agreement*
*notices who wrote it*
*screams in terror*
*undergoes drug treatment to forget all about ever agreeing with Elodin*
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Nocturnal
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posted May 31, 2011 03:16 AM |
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I don't think they can ever guarantee that this pill doesn't have a side effect. But if they did...
Firstly, yeah, I would certainly want to use it for some memories of mine. Yeah most experiences make you stronger but not all. Some just leave permanent marks which you will never forget and is nothing more than a pain whenever you remember it.
But secondly, I wouldn't want that kind of a thing to be given only to people who are to be chosen by someone. If produced, it should be sold to everyone. People have their own mind. If they abuse it, it's their own problem, and as the side effects are none as we supposed above, the thing they will suffer would only be lack of memories.
Or they could have records for everyone in the government system and everyone will have, say, 3 pills restriction for a lifetime. So you will have to choose wisely. If that system would be the case I think one should only be allowed to start using it after the age of 22. As we all know how adolescence is, we have been through it. Most adolescent people would go after one bad memory and shout "I don't care I want all the 3 pills at once!" and they will regret doing so in their adulthood.
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Smithey
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posted May 31, 2011 03:35 AM |
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Edited by Smithey at 04:28, 31 May 2011.
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@ Seraphim, I understand where you're coming from but...
1. Let's say you did get jumped by some thugs, you have erased it and forgot about it, 3 months later you are walking down the street and 400 m. in front of you the same thugs are standing there,
you don't know them, so you keep walking towards them, they see it's the same guy they jumped and think you are laughing at them, so they jump you again...
had you chose not to erase your memory you would learn how to deal better with such situation (unfortunatly the best way of dealing with such situations is by avoiding them)
2. You want to forget the girl who has shattered your heart into pieces (Considering I'm a bit older I've been through a few more girls, you will get there I'm certain), I get that, you feel like crap however.... two years later and few girls later you realize it's pretty laughable, time brings perspective and the experience you have gained while being with the "devil" girl makes you a better boyfriend with new girls, gets you more insight on how to deal with certain situations...
@Insi,
I agree that some people out there indeed aren't strong enough, your statement sounds reasonable enough to me however the big problem with it is how do we know who is strong or weak unless we let them try and pull through ?
The part of stopping them from inflicting future pain on others is something I never considered as a possible use, nice one
@Lexxan,
I'm not really an expert on brain as I don't really have a functional one but I'm pretty certain those drugs focus on specific memories and erase them. I don't think there will ever be a drug that cures amnesias and alzheimer's disease as it's a problem of sustaining a trauma on the brain or simply brain going "off radar".
Amnesia is brain coping with a trauma, alzheimer is a broken brain, I think memories can't be recovered once they are gone and I think with alzheimer their main focus is on preventing it from happening as a cure and not on fixing it once it occurs (but yes I'm speaking hypothetically and by my understandings only so keep that in mind), but yeah I agree a breakthrough can indeed lead to even more useful things in the future, nice one
@Noc'
If it were given to everyone, don't you think that people aren't the most objective bunch out there? I've been heart broken many times, angry, sad, million of things throughout my days and yes I have memories that are painful but I don't want to lose them, (maybe you can elaborate with an example so it's easier to understand).
Giving 22 year olds memory erasing drugs will IMO lead to them simply erasing their girl/boyfriends in temporary moments of pain and to make yourself feel better over a broken heart is IMO at least a petty use for this... Just IMO as I have stated though
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Welcome back to the forum man, you might ask yourself why do you feel fuzzy ? Well, you have sustained a "virtual brain trauma" (don't ask what it means as it's too hard for me to explain)
but you should know -
1. You always thought this place is awesome
2. You are one funny guy and loved by everyone
and ehmmm... yeah these as well
3. Your best friend here is Elodin and you usually agree on everything
4. Each friday is indeed the naked Friday back home
5. You are alergic to baklavas
If you have further questions feel free to ask
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Nocturnal
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posted May 31, 2011 05:25 AM |
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Well, yeah I think 3 pills for a lifetime system is much better. Don't you think? So she/he will think hard about when to use every one of the pills.
And to be specific about the memories that people would certainly choose to erase: rape, being beaten brutally, witnessing the death of someone you love, and such. I would certainly erase if lived one of these, that I know for sure.
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