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Mocara
Famous Hero
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posted February 24, 2002 12:16 AM |
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MvM improvement?
Maybe for H4 MvM tourney a better set up would be for the top experience in each division play their opposite.
I'll explain;
At tournies end there are 16 finalist. 1 from each division(ie dungeon might heroes)
Stronghold Might Champion vs Stronghold Magic Champion
Fortress MIght CHampion vs Fortress Magic Champion
Then the winners play each other.
Dungeon vs Rampart in the same way
Tower vs Necro in the same way.
That would leave 3 champions to battle it out
Then player with most experience gets a bye and meets the winner for the championship.
Winner of each division gets an icon representing that they are the "Barbarian Might Lord" or whatever.
As it stands now it is going to be 9 might heroes and Hidden Dragon who will probably win the whole thing because of his heroes specialty on that small map being hard to overcome.
The might heroes aren't winning because Might is better but because all the really good players picked Might heroes.
Anyway it's a great tourney and I'm having a lot of fun.
Just throwing ideas out.
-Mocara
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted February 24, 2002 03:03 AM |
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My 2 cents....
i like the tourney  ...
..but what i liked most about clans was the idea to get more points for killing higher lvl clans. This way noone was scared to play someone with a bonus because you would get a higer reward for beating a bonus.
now in m+m we have the same like clans season 3 in my oppinion.
guys that never play with bonus, or just refuse to play someone that has a better one.
if there would be a reward for beating better eqiped heroes the tourney would be more fun i think .
like u get 10% bonus of the gold the hero has bought stuff for ( 5% if might vs. might / magic vs. magic).
Mightschaaf
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Prometheus
Adventuring Hero
Knight of the Oracle
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posted February 24, 2002 03:39 AM |
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I challenge every might hero to a fair game with no rules on a fair map.
*tumbleweed blows by*
*sound of wind and tree leaves rustling*
*a squirrel stairs at Prometheus*
*Prometheus stares back at the squirrel*
"Want to play?"
Yep, going to be 9 might heroes and HD in the finals.
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Prometheus
Adventuring Hero
Knight of the Oracle
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posted February 24, 2002 03:44 AM |
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But actually Moc, the finals look like this:
Top Might Hero 1 vs Top Magic Hero1
Top Might Hero 2 vs Top Magic Hero2
Top Might Hero 3 vs Top Magic Hero3
Top Might Hero 4 vs Top Magic Hero4
Top Might Hero 5 vs Top Magic Hero5
Top Might Hero 6 vs Top Magic Hero6
Top Might Hero 7 vs Top Magic Hero7
Top Might Hero 8 vs Top Magic Hero8
Top Might Hero 9 vs Top Magic Hero9
Top Might Hero 10 vs Top Magic Hero10
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(Prometheus is a league commentator and Heroes veteran who is best known as the only player who has actually been dismissed by his own HEROES)
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Mocara
Famous Hero
what?
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posted February 24, 2002 06:14 AM |
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I agree w/moto 1000 percent.
I bought a red dragon right away only to hear "Sorry you have red dragon."
To which I always say "I won't use it."
What would be THE MOST fun is to make it like gambling.
Where it's like this;
If I play with my red dragon and I lose the game then my opponent gets either the red dragon or half its worth in gold and I lose the dragon.
If I win I strip him of what he had or half its value in gold to buy what I wanted.
MAN THAT WOULD BE SO FUN!!
Then people would be beating down the door to play the top people instead of the bottom people.
Oh well, maybe next time. I'm still having fun and learning a lot.
I hope I get to play BossBoDiddly and GrumbleBelly on my way to losing to Hidden Dragon =)
I'm gonna spank their overrated butts!!!
-Mocara
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted February 24, 2002 07:06 AM |
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MM isnt clans
MvM is a short tourney, with a one month free challenge. Clans is a complicated tourney. Also, now poor jinxer is updating it, we dont want it anymore complicated thatn it is, or no human will be able to physically update it.
About the finals setup, reason I didnt want best of each group, was that I want to reward gaming and effort.
So two players who are very active in one group, one will be 'screwed' as opposed to a group that has almost no activity, and so a 1 win player gets to move to finals by default.
With the system we have now, we let 20 very active players participate in the finals without any method shutting them out.
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destro23
Promising
Famous Hero
Keeper of GrongGrong
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posted February 24, 2002 07:38 AM |
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Thats one thing I just don't appreciated..
Is working in a tourney and playing games and buying bonuses only to have opponents say you can't use them.
So having said that.. I play anybody with any bonus they have always.. ummm unless you want to play 200% then best to make things even.
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The Dead Walk!!!
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Troelsen
Hired Hero
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posted February 24, 2002 11:26 PM |
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its the same song as always. its just impossible to make this kind of tourneys.
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Prometheus
Adventuring Hero
Knight of the Oracle
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posted February 25, 2002 03:08 AM |
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Feeling Adventurous?
Well you can lead a horse to water but you cant make them drink. Any player CAN play with bonuses but they wont necessary get games unless they make concessions. I mean if I knock on your door and say, "Hi I've got 5 red dragons, dragontooth neck and 10000 xp to start. You dont mind if I use them do you?", and you have no bonuses, would it be wise for you to play me? I wouldn't fault anyone for saying no. If they say yes they're just very adventurous.
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RedSoxFan3
Admirable
Legendary Hero
Fan of Red Sox
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posted February 25, 2002 04:27 AM |
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or stupid
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Go Red Sox!
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted February 25, 2002 05:35 AM |
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My 2 cents...
... a player who joins this tounrey and is not willed to play vs. other players with a bonuses at all because they are too scared of starting with a disadvantage is wrong in Might+Magic
players that allways want an even start should stick to regular TOH free challenge games and not join such tourneys.
Specially if there is a limited # of spots and some players can't join that would play the tourney how it is supposed to be.
Opinionatedschaaf
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted February 25, 2002 07:31 AM |
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That solution is quite simple motor play someone else or do what some players do & dont play with them till you get to the semis yes.
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Dreaming of a Better World
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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
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posted February 25, 2002 08:21 AM |
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Quote:
My 2 cents...
... a player who joins this tounrey and is not willed to play vs. other players with a bonuses at all because they are too scared of starting with a disadvantage is wrong in Might+Magic
players that allways want an even start should stick to regular TOH free challenge games and not join such tourneys.
Specially if there is a limited # of spots and some players can't join that would play the tourney how it is supposed to be.
Opinionatedschaaf
100% agreed.
I wanna get some more MvsM going for myself but being in class almost all day doesnt help. And then its the tough choice of playing MvsM tourney or those 2v2 games. I think that Isra will get back to buisness again soon enough tho
/Stefan
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"Youre zeroes and ones, youre wrong where im right"
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bjorn190
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jebus maker
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posted February 25, 2002 01:46 PM |
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Bonuses are for the finals and for playing people that are fun to play.
If someone says no to playing a person with a bonus then you probably didnīt want to play in that game anyway.
They have to play in the finals, or lose.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted February 27, 2002 08:37 AM |
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Well this is not an improvement but would like to ask a question yes.
I been screwed two MvsM games & I tried my best to see if I could work things out with Jinxer but he seems to be ignoring me & I dont think it's fair that I recorded my MvsM game correctly & the other player did not.
I mean is there any way I can get credit like maybe having them telling Jinxer them selves.
Thanks for help yes & see you at the zone yes.
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Dreaming of a Better World
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Xarfax111
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
The last hero standing
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posted February 27, 2002 11:46 AM |
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the other way around
...well what i dont get in all theses tourneys is that players which were already the best get additional bonuses. This was like in former division games some lvl4 arts and other stuff, in clans about 8 Golddragons and so on and so on....
..it makes little sense to give these huge advantages to a player which kills a low ranked any time of the week anyways !
..i personally would like to see a new kind of tournament, were the high ranked get a little disadvantage instead, when they play a low ranked, so they have to prove skill to even balance this disadvantage..like a squire gets a blackie or something if he fights a lord for example.
But i guess some high ranked are already too far into points to risk them in such a tournament.
Ok, that was my little oppinion...it wasnt ment as offense, cause im really thinking toh members are doin a real good job.
See u in the zone
Xarfax1
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bossbodiddly
Tavern Dweller
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posted February 27, 2002 01:01 PM |
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Upgrades
First, I want to say that this Tourney has been the most fun I have had for a while (I must be pretty boring Huh?) and My hats off to Pro and Jinxer for all the effort they are putting into this.
I agree with Motor and Moc about needing a better way attract opponents after you have purchased upgrades. Also, I discovered that in my eagerness to buy upgrades, ( and reading the directions)that I wouldnt make the finals unless I was buying EXP!!! Now, I wish I hadnt purchased Ogres club. Also, $70/1000 exp for Necro seems a bit low. They are guaranteed to be in the finals, and several games Ive played against Necro they are playing random maps favoring necro hero, so they really need no such handicap (in my opinion). I wonder why the low buy rate?? I can understand it for Demonic, but not necro.
I have had great fun playing, even if I dont make the finals, and look forward to new tournements to come.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted February 27, 2002 03:27 PM |
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Edited By: Jinxer on 27 Feb 2002
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M vs M Updates
Aculis, I apologize if it seems as though I am ignoring you. There are ONLY 2 reasons why you would NOT get credit for your games.
1 - You forgot to select the MvsM tourny option so your report never made it to my mail box.
2 - You did not put BOTH Heroes names in the details. IF heroes names are not both present the report is deleted immediately.
I KEEP every report sent to my mail box, especially for these reasons. You would be suprised how many people dont put the Heroes names in. Aculis I know for fact you have not put heroes names in a couple reports, so that would account for your missing games.
Here is an example of your bad reports Aculis
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"aculias" reported a "WIN" against "dmbirdofprey"
playing the "RandomMedium" map for subtournament "1- Might vs Magic".
"aculias" comments: I feel bad even though I had a similar case where his
hero was trapped & he could not move while I had everything good, It was
in mid week when he told me so I could not restart.
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"aculias" reported a "WIN" against "sirlemonlog"
playing the "RandomMedium" map for subtournament "1- Might vs Magic".
"aculias" comments: it was a great game yes
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Notice in the comments no mention of Heroes?? So obviously you have remembered wrong, there was times you did not put Heroes names.
Jinxer
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted February 27, 2002 03:36 PM |
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Addicts overrated
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My 2 cents...
... a player who joins this tounrey and is not willed to play vs. other players with a bonuses at all because they are too scared of starting with a disadvantage is wrong in Might+Magic
players that allways want an even start should stick to regular TOH free challenge games and not join such tourneys.
Specially if there is a limited # of spots and some players can't join that would play the tourney how it is supposed to be.
Opinionatedschaaf
Here is my opinion and way to solve this problem. Quit doing all the tournies as ADDICTS style tournies. Make the tournies more of a knock out tourny then you are matched up agasint an opponent that you must play no matter what there bonuses. And if they refuse to play they forfiet there spot in tourny and are out.
Addicts style is fun but IMO was much nicer when there was a special tournament call " Addicts" where this style was used. Seems every tourny now is geared toward the people with No lives and can play 24/7 . Basically the people who make it to finals in these types of tournys are the ones who have time to play all day everyday.
Even if there was a MAssive bracket used like 128, you could still have the high registrations to the tourny.
So anyways, less addicts style tournies would solve the problem of people not playing with people with bonuses.
Jinxernoaddictschaaf 
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Titan_888
Known Hero
Wind of Change
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posted February 27, 2002 03:49 PM |
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i sooooo much agree with you jinxer!
Why is it every tourney is made as addict tourney's!
there a few ways to make knockout tourneys good... for example you can start with group play and then winners of groups will do knockout tourney....
Clan, speeddeamon, thehero, MvM etc. etc. all addicts tourney where illegal game reports temptates the weak to achieve to the finals...
i had some of the experience in TheHero tourney... i played so many games within so short time... only 1 reason... it gave me a kick
But to be honest... many players incl. Tamanrasset (who beat me several times) didnt reach the final... but surely was indeed qualified to do...
the tourney i actually admire most is GrandMaster.
lol i have been participating 2 times and lost both
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