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gnomes2169
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posted January 11, 2012 05:55 AM |
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Well,occasionally they murder.But they have a problem with society because they have no empathy and can kill you because of how fun it appears to them.
I think the one not understanding what a psychopath is,is you.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, WRONG! A Psychopath and a sociopath are not emotionally dead, they are unable to feel emotions beside rage, fear, anxiety, sorrow and other emotions that society, as a whole, deems as "Weak," or "Inappropriate," and they feel them at all times. This is absolutely no fault of their own, and it is caused by external, genetic and brain structure.
Psychotic tendencies are caused by a misfire in the Hypothalamus, your impulse and emotional control center.If this is fused to other parts of your brain by sexual abuse while you are young, then you will be a third degree rapist or murderer, and you will never be able to feel, function or act normally. You will be institutionalized and imprisoned for your entire life. Any defect in this section of your brain has drastic effects, and it is almost never the fault of the person who has this problem. Scratch that, it is only caused by genetic/ physical makeup or the actions of others on small, defenseless children, so it is never their fault.
It is the exact same in a psychopath, extreme abuse and mental defects are the reason why they cannot act normally, since the way they act is normal to them. no amount of telling them that, "You are not normal"s or, "It's just and emotional imbalance"s will ever change that. The way they feel is the way they will always feel, and no mind can take being labeled as a "Freak" or "Aberrant" forever. Accepting that you are not normal, that people do not feel the way you do, is impossible with this kind of condition. In the most extreme cases, it leads to disassociation with reality and "Nothing seems real to you. You will reject reality, since you can never agree with it. There will be no point in holding back and rejecting your emotions, since they must be, has to be, the right thing. You cannot be wrong all the time. You think that it is impossible that a world like this can exist, and you think that it is all a dream. And so, since nothing is real, you can do whatever you damn well please to whoever you damn well feel like." Quote the psychopath that was allowed to skype with my class from a psych ward. He is a third (highest) degree schizophrenic with psychotic symptoms, so I think that he might know what he is talking about, aye?
Of course, that is the most extreme case that I know about. Something less extreme would be any of the American presidents/ world leaders that you would consider "Good" at their job. Their minorly psychotic personalities allow them to get everything done that they see a need for, and damn the ethic. These politicians are generally very powerful, influential and rise up in times of strife, since they act in a more suitable way to their situation. Their lack of a strong moral code or overpowering conscience allow them to order and execute acts that most people would be sick just considering (example, war). They do what they believe is right, and they do it however they feel is right, though unlike most psychopaths, politicians with psychotic tendencies tend to lean towards solving threats for and problems with their country instead of their personal life, so it is more acceptable with the public.
Have I made the error clear now, or should I start drawing on psychiatric journals and profiles?
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I am pretty sure this psycho is not a good student as claimed by her "Friends". Yes,her friends are also guilty because I am sure somebody knew there that she was going to do what she did.
I might be wrong but highly doubt that this is not the case.99% of the time,others know about this but are too "I dont give a damn" when it comes to this.
Her friends probably knew what she was going to do.
One phrase for you, she was a sociopath. In other words, unlike a normal psychopath (who is open about what they intend and are visibly unstable), she not only recognized that what she was going to do was unacceptable, she also recognized that she was going to be stopped if she told anyone. Sociopaths are some of the most frightening people alive, since they will kill people just to get a high of of it and, for a while at least, they will get away with it if they succeed the first time. If she had not bee caught, then she would have gotten away with it since she gave no notice or inkling into what she was going to do.
Her friends are entirely blameless in this situation.
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The end of this tragedy is simple,the real murderers get away,her friends or better yet,the society.
Who is this society and where does he live? I keep hearing about him making people do all these bad things, and I think that we should lock him away for a long time so that he stops doing that.
Blaming society is the broad and wrong way of diagnosing a problem. For the friends being the real murderers bit, refer to the paragraphs above.
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Same here,its a deafening silence when it comes to this and no steps are taken to prevent this because its not their kid who died.
Yes, the deafening gap in knowing how to stop this kind of thing is staggering. We need to study these people to figure out both who and how severely they have this kind of condition, and we need to figure that out before we can figure out how to stop them. Just killing these people will accomplish nothing but adding to the always growing pile of corpses that we cannot prevent because we do not understand how. We need to take these people and pull apart their minds, figure out what the specific and consistent warning signs and triggers are, and then how to diffuse them without having a break before we truly understand this disease. To do that, we need living people. To have living people, we need to not kill them. It's that simple.
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posted January 11, 2012 07:47 AM |
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If we speak about the death penalty - I mean, it sounds silly, but this is no murder with "base motive": greed, hate, revenge, jealousy, envy...
Anyway, isn't this the classic horror scenario? What possibilities are there?
1) She's been "born different", let's say a predator, without the capacity to feel with others (for example), with something "missing" that other humans have (the Vampire variant);
2) She's been made that way by their parents or family: abuse, whatever (the Frankenstein's Monster variant)
3) Someone (something) MADE her doing it (the devil, a demon, whatever) (the delusional variant where the horror is the result of something that only that person can see, "true" or not). (Just for interested parties, this is of course the modern Eve scenario.)
While all of this raises hackles, nothing cries for the death penalty. Here seems to be a chance for scientific research of the matter. We might learn a lot.
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posted January 11, 2012 10:09 AM |
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Two more links: the first one delivers some bckground information:
Background Info
The second one is a video, Alyssa herself put online: it shows herself and her two younger brothers in a jackass-like stunt with an electrified fence:
Electrocuting herself and her brothers
I think, that this already shows how deeply disturbed that girl is.
That electrocution video is pretty interesting. She's holding the fence for a few seconds, before she reacts in a somewhat faked fashion, as if she wouldn't feel anything an/or had tried it a couple of times before, knowing hat to expect and so on, being able to really hold tight - all that to bring her younger brothers to touch it, knowing or at least being fairly sure it will hurt them.
Also, it seems that she cut herself before cutting the neighbor girl, whether in a suicidal attempt or "out of curiosity".
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posted January 11, 2012 12:40 PM |
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I'm considering exile as a suitable punishment. Her actions and lack of 'regret' suggests that she thinks that she did the right thing, (even if she knows it is unacceptable) killing her for what she thinks is right, is wrong IMO, so the best option is to seperate her from society/current country or mayhaps give her a job that requires that kind of mercilessness.
Or deport her to an uncharted island where she can live, isntead of being locked up and experimented upon, or we can do this Italian style and have a lovely blood-feud, Oooor the inhumane way and experiment on her, one ill turn doesn't condone another.
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posted January 11, 2012 01:08 PM |
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I don't even know where to start.
1) Isn't the girl OWING society for the murder? What about atonement? Wouldn't it be a form of atonement to be an subject of study to find out more in order to be able to prevent things like that happening in the future?
2) Usually, when a 15-year-old is responsible for doing damage, the parents are held responsible - it is their duty to educate their children to become part of society. If children do some damage, usually the parents have to compensate for the damage (and there are insurances against that, at least in Europe).
Now, murder does seem to be such a case as well, even if it seems to be quite a massive one.
If you look at the background link, though, the parents don't seem to think much about parental obligations - what about them as part of the equation?
3) Lastly there are the authorities - giving grandma custodial care doesn't seem to have been an inspired move, considering the fact that this didn't happen completely out of the blue. Did they really check deep enough into this family then?
All in all I don't thionk it's just a simple case of "get rid of the problem". Not at all.
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posted January 11, 2012 01:50 PM |
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Edited by Seraphim at 16:54, 11 Jan 2012.
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Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, WRONG! A Psychopath and a sociopath are not emotionally dead.
Twisting my words are you?Since when does having no empathy == no emotions?
As long as a situation permits a possibility which one might use to help themselves but instead chooses to "enjoy" the killing,then they are to be condemned with murder.Psychos are very capable of thinking.
Best to say,common sense does not apply to them.
Yes indeed,we are talking about "Mad" people,lunatic,crazy and so on.
Indeed,the definition of pure evil.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-a-psychopath-and-a-sociopath.htm
Just check this site.
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One phrase for you, she was a sociopath. In other words, unlike a normal psychopath (who is open about what they intend and are visibly unstable)...
Psychos hide their schemes,sociopaths dont.
Check my link.
Thats as far as is stated in my links.
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Her friends are entirely blameless in this situation.
Who's fault is it then? God? FFS,its either the fault of her friends for not reporting the police or her parents.
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Blaming society is the broad and wrong way of diagnosing a problem.
WHO is to be blamed?The school? Her parents?
The problem has been diagnosed already,but there is no solution.
http://helpingpsychology.com/sociopath-vs-psychopath-whats-the-difference
This is the classical monster,people with not regard to social values.
I read some stuff what these psychos or sociopaths write,it is truly disgusting.It is clearly that understanding them on a moral perspective is impossible.
Quite amazing what the nature can create...
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posted January 11, 2012 01:57 PM |
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Put bluntly,i dont care how these sociopaths are taken care of.
Ever considered how to line between YOU and a socipath might not be so thick after all?
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posted January 11, 2012 02:32 PM |
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Wrong,psychos hide their schemes,sociopaths dont.
Actually, that's only when they are caught. Sociopaths can understand what they are doing, and they own up to it, most times proudly. Psychopaths are so disillusioned that they sometimes do not remember what they have done or they do not see why they should be punished for anything that they have been don, so they deny, deny, deny.
The article switched their roles, look at any other number of medical or psychiatric journals being used today and you will notice that. Sociopath means "Social killer," so even with its root word scheme it means that they blend into society and kill. Sociopaths tend to be created by abuse combined with mental defects, so they learn the difference between right and wrong but really don't care beyond the fact that they would be punished for doing wrong, so they do everything they can not to get caught.
Here's a link for socipoathic behavior, it goes through each common factor that we know about step by step. If you look at a psychopath, it will be very similar. Here is a link for the difference between them.
Link for how blurred the line is.
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posted January 11, 2012 06:46 PM |
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Edited by Seraphim at 18:48, 11 Jan 2012.
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Put bluntly,i dont care how these sociopaths are taken care of.
Ever considered how to line between YOU and a socipath might not be so thick after all?
I would not mind if you kept your insults for yourself.
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posted January 11, 2012 08:00 PM |
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Alright guys, this is your one friendly warning. Don't make me break out the baseball bat.
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posted January 11, 2012 11:50 PM |
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Settling, sir, settling.
As I said, in a case like this we cannot let emotion get in the way of discovery, otherwise we will never learn how to stop psychopaths, sociopaths, whatever you want to call them. They would just be an ever present problem that wouldn't naturally go away. Therefore, I think that we should capture, study and attempt to cure them, so that we can eventually get rid of this state completely. It may be logical and somewhat heartless, but I'm looking towards the future, not the present.
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posted January 11, 2012 11:52 PM |
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Therefore, I think that we should capture...
PSYCHOCHU I CHOOSE YOU.
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posted January 19, 2012 08:43 AM |
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And that's pretty much the definition of a psychopath. Honestly, society should just harvest her organs and call it a day.
Yes, I'm pretty certain that will help us discover WHY people act like this and prevent it from occurring in the future.
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I say test her, throw a couple of more kids in with her, if she kills them then she's defo a pchycopath, atleast this time there's irrefutable evidence. (she might be taking the fall for some lowly beast)
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If somebody kills your son or your daughter you want REVENGE and not some stupid treatment for the psychopath.
And how exactly will revenge bring back your son or daughter?
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Blaming society is the broad and wrong way of diagnosing a problem.
I disagree. Every person is a product of their environment, which includes, well, everything around them. You can't say the issue was completely with her and her alone, there is something that made her develop like this.
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As I said, in a case like this we cannot let emotion get in the way of discovery, otherwise we will never learn how to stop psychopaths, sociopaths, whatever you want to call them. They would just be an ever present problem that wouldn't naturally go away. Therefore, I think that we should capture, study and attempt to cure them, so that we can eventually get rid of this state completely. It may be logical and somewhat heartless, but I'm looking towards the future, not the present.
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posted January 19, 2012 01:43 PM |
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As I said, in a case like this we cannot let emotion get in the way of discovery, otherwise we will never learn how to stop psychopaths, sociopaths, whatever you want to call them. They would just be an ever present problem that wouldn't naturally go away. Therefore, I think that we should capture, study and attempt to cure them, so that we can eventually get rid of this state completely. It may be logical and somewhat heartless, but I'm looking towards the future, not the present.
By saying hat your better tham them, ergo breeding more of the very thing yer trying to extinguish, ah how irony likes to bite the ass of the unwary.
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posted February 08, 2012 06:41 PM |
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posted February 09, 2012 03:21 AM |
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pretty enjoyable? hum it's hard to imagine.
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