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gnomes2169
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posted March 16, 2012 03:17 AM |
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I'll finish completely by tomorrow, but feel free to give feedback before I do. Am I missing anything right now?
Also, I'm stuck between two names for my faction, Chaos and Wrath. Do you guys have any better ideas or do you prefer one over the other (it honestly doesn't matter to me).
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Yeah in the 18th century, two inventions suggested a method of measurement. One won and the other stayed in America.
-Ghost destroying Fred
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gvozdengrom
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posted March 16, 2012 09:17 AM |
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gnomes2169, your entry is not going to be acceptable since you are in clear violation of the mandatories aspect. I will not repeat this any further. All the mandatories picked for the round are mandatory and must be clearly shown in the entry. Using non-chosen within the round is strictly forbidden.
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athas65
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posted March 16, 2012 02:19 PM |
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just a side note:
gnome, you know that serphim is just the plural of seraph in Hebrew (the origin of the word, the ending -im is like -s in English)? becose the upgrade of seraphim -> seraph is abit odd....
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gnomes2169
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posted March 16, 2012 02:24 PM |
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@ athas65: Yup. I was hoping that other people wouldn't notice and that I could get away with that... 
@ Gvoz: I can see that I am missing Truth, but am I missing anything else in your eyes? If so, tell me and I will point out where I included them. Just saying that there is something wrong doesn't help me fix it or point it out.
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Jiriki9
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posted March 16, 2012 06:17 PM |
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Edited by Jiriki9 at 18:38, 16 Mar 2012.
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I mus tconfess I agree with gnomes. I see not what should be wrng about gnomes faction now that the god became a godess.
EDIT: also, I'm still not sure about 100% forbidding other races. I am trying to go around this with 2 units, hope that's ok...
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gvozdengrom
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posted March 16, 2012 11:47 PM |
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if by going around you mean you intend those units to clearly be of the races within the pool, but not picked for this round, than no it is not ok. If that was not what you meant, I'll have to actually see what you did have in mind before giving you a definitive answer.
Gnomes - 1) loose the blood from the name. Blood is within the pool, and thus unavailable, and nowhere in the entire entry does blood even make sense anyway.
2) loose honor as a definer for the truth aspect. Truth and honor are quite different things, and honor is a domain by itself anyway, so you are both confusing the issue and in implied violation of the rules. again.
3) how is Earos sly? Or for that matter mighty? I've read it four times, and I fail to see from your descriptions how do those traits apply to the goddess.
Other than that the entry is clearly superb.
Yes, I know it seems like minor things, but as I said already earlier, rules are rules. It is my duty to uphold them to the best of my ability, just as it is yours to try to subvert them whenever possible  .
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gnomes2169
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posted March 17, 2012 12:08 AM |
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Faction unique building would be the sly bit (Tricksy tricksy little hobbitses) and creature abilities will be working on that as well. Might is just the creatures themselves, in their own level of power. That part where... one minute, let me find this... Here it is!
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They also value personal strength and influence, organizing themselves based on individual strength. The two highest members of their race besides Earos are the Hand, leader of Earos's armies and strongest of all of the Angels, and the Voice, interpreter of her will and most influential.
The celestials only value what their goddess values. Such good mindless little minions they are.  I'll add a bit to there about that fact...
On the first point, yes I see what you mean. Blood is gone.
On the second, well bugger. :/ Now to think of something that could work... Another faction-unique building? Naw... I have two already... Hmmmmmmm.... I'll get back to you on that one.
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Yeah in the 18th century, two inventions suggested a method of measurement. One won and the other stayed in America.
-Ghost destroying Fred
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gvozdengrom
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posted March 17, 2012 03:11 AM |
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They also value personal strength and influence, organizing themselves based on individual strength. The two highest members of their race besides Earos are the Hand, leader of Earos's armies and strongest of all of the Angels, and the Voice, interpreter of her will and most influential.
Frankly I took that as their violent cultural inclination. And might and slyness, I feel the need to point out are the goddess' personality traits, not simply what she should be implied to value.
But I will take your rule lawyering at face value and accept it, as your freedom of interpretation, so bonus points to you
Hmnn, you know renewed scrutiny of that passage, something occurred to me. If you are willing to extrapolate on the hand and the voice you can easily make them the direct representations of the traits in question.
Again, just me trying to be helpful, not trying to guide/influence it and disregarding my input will not in any way affect your chance to win.
PS: Jiriki should watch his tail feathers carefully, because evidence so far ascertain that it will not be easy to beat this entry. So long as you beware the rules or are able to turn in this level of lawyering again
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gnomes2169
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posted March 17, 2012 03:17 AM |
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Buahaha! Also, on the subject of lawyering, I expanded on those values to try to remove the need for it. The values now read
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They also value personal strength and influence, organizing themselves based on power. The two highest members of their race besides Earos are the Hand, leader of Earos's armies and strongest of all of the Angels, and the Voice, interpreter of her will and most influential. Earos herself is greater than all of her angelic host together, mightier than most gods as well, and she rewards those who show power through transformations into a higher being, bringing them closer to herself both spiritually and figuratively. Because of their adoration, Celestials take whatever opportunity they can, so that they might please and grow closer to their Goddess.
But the goddess does not only value stupid brute force. Earos also values those who can think, and those who make sure they complete their assignment. Whether they do so through trickery or sly, underhanded tactics or honest and open battle, Celestials are rewarded for thinking before they act and punished for failing to do so.
Is this a good edit for your purposes, or do I still need to fall back on that previous lawyering?
And any idea on a name for the faction? I still honestly have no idea...
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Yeah in the 18th century, two inventions suggested a method of measurement. One won and the other stayed in America.
-Ghost destroying Fred
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gnomes2169
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posted March 17, 2012 03:57 AM |
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Extrapolating on your suggestion to extrapolate on the Hand and the Voice, I have added this.
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The Hand is fed power directly from Earos, giving him or her almost limitless destructive potential. He meets the foe in battle, and he is the essence of virtue and honesty. The Voice masterminds all of the strategies, deceptions and plots that the Celestials use in their war against the younger races. Because of her role, the Hand is often at odds with the Voice, since at their core they had fundamentally different personalities.
Edit: And the first few creatures are up. I have completed all of the Elemental chain, started on the Elohim chain, and have added the Chamber of Truth to the unique buildings list. I think that will be enough for the night, sleep beckons.
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Yeah in the 18th century, two inventions suggested a method of measurement. One won and the other stayed in America.
-Ghost destroying Fred
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gvozdengrom
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posted March 17, 2012 07:19 AM |
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oh my... Yes, that is more than satisfactory, though you still did not remove the blood...
As for Jiriki, after thinking it over overnight, I will allow your two core units to stay as they are on the caveat that we all understand that they are treated more as creatures than as representatives of any given race.
I do have to tell you that so far you are considerably lagging behind gnomes.
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Jiriki9
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posted March 17, 2012 10:09 AM |
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Edited by Jiriki9 at 19:18, 17 Mar 2012.
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Frankly I took that as their violent cultural inclination. And might and slyness, I feel the need to point out are the goddess' personality traits, not simply what she should be implied to value.
Then, please tell me what the hell a "mighty personality" is^^ maybe it's because I'm not native that I don't get it...
Also, I am well aware of that. My entry is not even halfway finished, the deadline closing in :/ I'm not sure I can finish it - at least not in a way to beat gnomes.
What's with athas, anyway?
EDIT: finished Lineup, except Zeraph upgrades. added background for most creatures. Added name of the Hero Classes. And the general infos. Hope I got a bit of ground back 
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athas65
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posted March 17, 2012 08:19 PM |
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Edited by athas65 at 20:25, 17 Mar 2012.
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Sorry that i cant participate in the contest so far.
this pass two weeks were busy so I didn't had a time.
I hope I will be able to take place in the future factions (since gnome made a faction which is pretty much what i had in mind, aka burning angels of vengeance). now i can only hope for a lightning/metal based demon faction (I got a good idea for one  )
edit: another thing, Elohim is god in Hebrew, not messenger. The word for messenger is shaliach or malach (the last one means angel, which originally mean messenger of god).
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gnomes2169
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posted March 18, 2012 04:20 AM |
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Thanks for all those little pointers Ath, it really helps make the faction work.
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Yeah in the 18th century, two inventions suggested a method of measurement. One won and the other stayed in America.
-Ghost destroying Fred
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gnomes2169
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posted March 20, 2012 10:27 PM |
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Something that I realized while reading through Jir's Maqua post... I said that the younger races wanted to learn what they could not and they went to war with the Celestials because of it. And then I stumbled upon this little gem while reviewing his history:
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Living beings, other cultures, the movement of the stars or the history of the world - whatever it be, the Macqa desire to KNOW it!
The ironic part is, I actually didn't read any of Jir's post before this, but it still works!  And now I get back to work...
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Jiriki9
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posted March 21, 2012 10:36 AM |
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Sooo. SOmething happened and got in my way. Unless I get 2 more days or so, I won't be able to finish the faction at all.
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gvozdengrom
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posted March 21, 2012 01:42 PM |
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. Talk about providence. I just logged in to say that since I will be away from comp and network until Saturday noon, I'm forced to extend the date to Saturday let's call it 5 pm CET, hmmm?
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gnomes2169
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posted March 21, 2012 02:15 PM |
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sounds good, I'll be able to finish up in three days as well... And if you wonder why it will take so long, might I remind you that I still have heroes.
And I put 1000000000001 tiny little details into my heroes. 
Fine, done! No more detail!
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Jiriki9
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posted March 23, 2012 07:52 PM |
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I really tried to work on it today but couldn't finish it. Now I must go (am allready late)  Don't have mauch hope to finish it tomorrow, but will try to find the time.
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gvozdengrom
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posted March 24, 2012 05:46 PM |
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Well...
Wasn't that a smashing round.
And it was difficult to choose a victor, very difficult indeed.
My final decision is that gnomes2169 carried this round, but since it was such a close call, I've decided to award you both.
So, gnomes, you get to pick one of the mandatories.
Jiriki, you get to pick two races that cannot be chosen for the third round.
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