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posted March 30, 2012 09:03 AM |
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Gender-specific hotel sections
Pioneering women-specific hotel floors
It seems that some legal debates have already started to sprout surrounding this new experimental fling. What are your thoughts about this?
My take is that I don't really see a discrimination-related problem with a hotel choosing to have some gender-specific sections. There's already gender specific clubs, spas, and other places everywhere, so is it really a big deal, or for that matter surprising, if some hotels were to play with the notion of having a women-only floor to cater to desires that are common among women? The incentive for this new marketing is that traveling businesswomen are more common than they used to be. Traveling couples or families would of course continue to use the standard rooms, and for that matter probably most women wouldn't bother with it if there was an extra price attached to it.
Ultimately, I don't see something like this becoming hugely widespread anyway. Probably certain classy hotels in metropolitan or tourist-heavy areas will pick up on it, but I doubt we'll have see gender-specific floors in standard, run-of-the-mill hotels. It's hardly worth the bother for places where a lot of people rent a room, hang out for a little bit, go to bed, and are gone the next morning. I also think, like the article mentioned, that hotels that are common hubs for business travelers will simply start to pander to the female audience more without going through the effort of classifying an entire floor as being a special woman cave.
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posted March 30, 2012 09:45 AM |
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I don't see a problem or the point in this 
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posted March 30, 2012 10:06 AM |
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"This is clearly just another attempt by the women's liberation amazonian militia to complete their masterplanned castration of the entire human race and force unite the massess into complete submission to the goddess ISIS. I mean can't you people open your eyes and see? This is why RICK SANTORUM needs to be elected as ruler of EARTH.
And P.S. Vladamir Putin is XXXHOTTT!" - Westernslope
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posted March 30, 2012 01:50 PM |
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If you're running a normal hotel, technically, you should also include a men only floor to keep it even.
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posted March 30, 2012 03:01 PM |
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There was a hotel in Philly that had women-only floors. The University often booked it for visitors for some reason. Always thought it was weird, but I don't see a problem with it. If you don't like that kind of thing, go somewhere else.
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posted March 31, 2012 12:03 AM |
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It makes me a little bit jelly because I also want fresh flowers in my hotel room and special salt-stuff to bathe in  Could try crossdressing like I did on Halloween my senior year in high school, except hotels usually look at your driver's license to verify your reservation.
I think now that chicks are nearly as common as men for business travel, you'll simple see more and more hotels add optional accessories to please them. I really don't find it surprising that something like this so quickly became a legal battle though. There's gotta be at least one male in the hotel at some point that is going to rage about it.
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posted March 31, 2012 12:06 AM |
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No big deal.
Now a man-only hotel, now that would be a ****storm.
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posted March 31, 2012 04:35 AM |
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Edited by Elodin at 04:37, 31 Mar 2012.
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My take is that I don't really see a discrimination-related problem with a hotel choosing to have some gender-specific sections.
So what about race specific sections then? Sir, stay out of section A. You are "African-American" so your room is in section B, the section for "your kind," and you are not to enter any other section of our establishment. Section A is for the whites, C is for Hispanics, D is Orientals, and E is for all other ethnicities. No mixing.
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Now a man-only hotel, now that would be a ****storm.
Yep, you can bet the National Organization for (Liberal) Women would be all other that.
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posted March 31, 2012 07:50 AM |
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Sounds like some pompous nonsense but I couldn't care less anyway.
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posted March 31, 2012 10:11 AM |
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A race specific section as Elodin mentioned would just be pure racism but dividing the genders is alright as long as it does not go as far as unequality.
And I agree on the men section thing. Fanatic feminists tend to be the first to complain at the smallest sign of man-favourism.
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posted March 31, 2012 11:11 AM |
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Bollocks.
You are not CONFINED to that, it's just that there is a section you CAN book, where no other gender has access. This is quite common in many areas, and for a number of reasons. Think about parking lots and garages.
You might do it for religious reasons as well: a muslim section would probably look quite different - having direction to Mekka shown and whatnot, service personnel being clad differently and so on, simply as a kind of service, - but if you'd do it for race, you'd basically had to assume and prove that there were racial characteristics they'd share, that might make it worthwhile to reserve an area for a specific race only.
So obviously there are utility reasons for specialgroup-only sections, but not for EVERY group you can fathom.
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posted March 31, 2012 11:39 AM |
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All the same! Women pass as soon as equality, even if the Bible said: "But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.", "A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness." and "But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet."  
Before the woman does not have to go to work and the house is more than 50% cheaper, because the one wage., etc.
 
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posted March 31, 2012 11:08 PM |
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Bollocks.
You are not CONFINED to that, it's just that there is a section you CAN book, where no other gender has access. This is quite common in many areas, and for a number of reasons. Think about parking lots and garages.
You might do it for religious reasons as well: a muslim section would probably look quite different - having direction to Mekka shown and whatnot, service personnel being clad differently and so on, simply as a kind of service, - but if you'd do it for race, you'd basically had to assume and prove that there were racial characteristics they'd share, that might make it worthwhile to reserve an area for a specific race only.
So obviously there are utility reasons for specialgroup-only sections, but not for EVERY group you can fathom.
Bullocks. If a woman is able to freely roam through all the sections of a hotel but a man is not that is discrimination no matter how you slice it.
If a hotel is going to offer a female only floor for religious accommodations for Muslims then obviously they'd also offer a male only floor as well.
And also, all women are not alike.  I see no difference between a female only floor (when offering no male only floor) and a white only floor.
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posted March 31, 2012 11:15 PM |
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And finally here is so called hard acquired democracy and free think/speech. If I want to open a hotel only for [insert_any_color] people, for example, why the hell I would need to give any explanation? It is my money, as long as it harms no one physically, my project is my business.
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posted March 31, 2012 11:21 PM |
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The example of religion or race isn't relevant, because these are different from gender.
Consider: we have restrooms exclusively dedicated to males and females everywhere. My guess is if you started having restrooms exclusively dedicated to Jews or blacks... well in fact that's already been tried at certain places and times during history with poor results.
And in any case, the practice of segregating genders is already practiced and well-tolerated by several religions, even here in the US (Orthodox Judaism and Islam, to name two), and nobody bats an eyebrow at that.
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posted March 31, 2012 11:39 PM |
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The line (albeit, as with everything in the world of law it can often come down to court discretion) is generally drawn between lifestyle and tangible differences, and then merely aesthetic differences.
Boys have a penis, girls have a vagina. They're not the same. The differences between blacks and whites, on the other hand, are almost exclusively aesthetic. The fact that blacks and whites are even considered different "races" is a semantic issue that's grounded in a more-racist past, during a time when it was a serious debate whether or not black people were even human beings (it was a hot topic in Spain and Portugal because if tribals were considered human, then they fell under the responsibility of the Church, but if they were considered beasts, then they fell under the responsibility of the military).
Is a woman-only floor pandering to certain stereotypes? Yes, it is, but there is at least some legit grounds within that. Providing soaps and lotions that are ideal for a woman's skin (which is inherently a little different in composition to a man's skin) is not based on stereotyping. Providing flowers for them, on the other hand, is. A guy can appreciate a nice whiff of fragrant roses just as easily as a girl. So is it okay or is it not? Well, it comes down to the courts. I don't see a problem coming out of it in the way that black and white hotels would create problems. It's generally agreed that men and women have slightly different needs, and as for everything else, it comes down to the hotel targeting things that women often like. If a chick-floor doesn't appeal to a woman, then she won't get it.
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posted April 01, 2012 03:52 AM |
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So, those saying providing a female only floor without providing a male only floor is ok, what if the hotel changed its mind and only provided a male-only floor? Instead of catering to the stereotypes about women they would cater to stereotypes about men. Like a weight set in every room, sports memorabilia, hunting trophies, ect. Oh, and they would cater to the special needs of men. Need typically need more protein and a higher caloric intake, ect. Would that be ok to provide a male only floor but no female only floor?
Is it ok to provide special perks to men and not to women? To women and not to men?
Is your answer different if the hotel is government owned vs privately owned?
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posted April 01, 2012 05:35 AM |
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No I wouldn't see a problem with it, but I do think a male-only floor would be much more likely to erupt into a large legal battle that makes it to the front page of the news.
A state-owned hotel (wut?) would be much more of a problem, because a state has a strong obligatory imperative to provide compensation and services to everybody as best as they are able. Why? Because of money. A hotel gets its revenue from people that walk in their door and stay for the night. If you don't stay in their room, then they don't get your money. On the other hand, the state gets its revenue from all taxpayers. So a state-run hotel that doesn't allow a man to stay in a room because it's for women-only would essentially be saying, "Oh, we'll continue to take your money, but sorry, you won't get our services." So if a state-run hotel were to start customizing its option for specific groups, and make those exclusive services, it would raise a lot of unsavory questions.
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posted April 01, 2012 06:53 AM |
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There are already lots of businesses that cater exclusively to one gender or the other.
Tanning and nail salons.
Barbers ans shaving boutiques.
Clothing stores.
Shoe stores.
Cosmetics stores.
Adult video stores. 
And so on.
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posted April 01, 2012 06:55 AM |
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So what about race specific sections then? Sir, stay out of section A. You are "African-American" so your room is in section B, the section for "your kind," and you are not to enter any other section of our establishment. Section A is for the whites, C is for Hispanics, D is Orientals, and E is for all other ethnicities. No mixing.
While I would personally disapprove, they should be allowed to do it. It's their private property and they're not harming anyone.
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