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angelito
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posted July 01, 2012 07:19 PM |
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1/3 of all neonazis of the planet live in russia,...
Any source to underline that statement?
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blizzardboy
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posted July 01, 2012 11:28 PM |
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@Kodial:
I read current events fairly regularly, and I missed the part where "pro-West" media was ignoring the questionable interests of the rebel elements. This was a pretty big talking point in Libya and I've heard it on multiple occasions mentioned in Syria, because one of the imminent questions looming over this is "When/if X regime is gone, what comes next?". Admittedly it's remained pretty vague at this point with Syria, but that's easily explained by the fact that we current don't have thorough information on who all of the rebels are and what they are doing. They're fighting an underground war in a nation where media coverage has been severely hampered. Syria is very much an urban nation (relative to Libya) which makes the game much trickier. A deficit of secrecy can quickly lead to a rebel cell being crushed within the day. The rebels can't really camp out in open territory and have chats with foreigners.
I'm not at all disagreeing that mainstream media is biased towards Western nations, but the slant isn't as remotely childishly blatant as you make it out to be.
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Seraphim
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posted July 02, 2012 12:02 PM |
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Edited by Seraphim at 12:52, 02 Jul 2012.
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Quote:
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1/3 of all neonazis of the planet live in russia,...
Any source to underline that statement?
Actually, I remember that from a BBC documentary. Where one reporter visited a skinhead camp in Russia.
There are no reliable statisitcs regarding this issue. Acording to wikipedia, there are around 100000 skinheads in russia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8VAsoVuShM&feature=BFa&list=ULSKReoE3IOkE
Kodial, watch this video and see how content can easily be manipulated to fit the views of what people want to see,even if this guy trolled 911 truthers.
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del_diablo
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posted July 02, 2012 03:59 PM |
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Still, the propaganda always leaves us with the views:
-Assad is a another dicator, and not a competent one
-Systematic problems in the goverment creating corruption
-Things are not that bad in Syria, but somebody bothered to fund the rebels
-Since somebody funded the rebels, there might be a civil war
-Both sides perform massacres
-And the civilians is suffering
-UN is a sitting duck as usual, doing nothing, and will do nothing
So who is to blame? Everyone.
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kodial79
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posted July 02, 2012 05:02 PM |
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Seraphim:
That's why I said "user content as a whole" is a neutral force. Because among them, there could be found people who may support any side but also people who are really objective about it. However, this can clearly not be said for the mainstream media.
Furthermore, I don't Eastern media are that much worse than western, and certainly I don't consider RT to be less credible than say, CNN or Fox News. You are the only one here who is completely biased calling them that, and saying that everything that comes from Russia is completely BS. Don't you see that you go and do everything you're accusing me of doing? Also, mafia owned? Heh... Where'd you get that again?
Anyway, Assad is not just a dictator. It's a very much more complex than to dismiss him simply as that. Qaddafi wasn't just a dictator, Saddam wasn't just a dictator, anyone else too. See, Qaddafi was killed as "just a dictator" and now Libya is in hell. Same with Saddam though his bloodthirst was not questionable.
By saying the West has not done anything, you don't take into account my accusations that they have been funding the rebels and fanning the flames of civil war. This, I accuse USA and Europe for, and just ignoring it, does not make an argument from your part.
They do not condemn violence. They promote it. Just like they promoted it in Libya and just like they've done dozens of other times before. Just because they're not doing this officially, doesn't mean they're not doing it at all. They funded the rebels, they trained the rebels, they armed the rebels, hell, even they have their own agents among the rebels. That's not how you condemn violence.
With the Russians sending in troops and warships and military equipment, you can be sure that their interests in the territory conflict with the interests of the rebel funding western powers. While they're not peaceful or the good guys in any case and whatever their agenda might be, they act as a scarecrow now to the West, and it's what stopping them from intervening officially too and have Syria share the same fate as Libya.
Umm, the nationalist party in Russia does not have any seats in the parliament. And whatever the number of skinheads (100,000 are too few for a country like Russia) does not excuse an entire generalisation of Russians as neonazis.
And anyway, your posting that video means nothing. Same as CNN which was showing riots against Putin in Russia like they said, but these were clearly happening in Greece... Such blatant lies can come from whichever source, it doesn't mean anything.
Blizzardboy:
Sure there are a few among them that go to the other side too. I did paste too links from Guardian, BBC, Washington Post and Telegraph anyway, right?
But these are far and few between. The general weight of the reports from western mainstream media, naturally is in favor of a pro-West, pro-Rebel point of view.
They did question the same in previous conflicts such as in Libya or Iraq. What good did that do? Cause despite a few moments of honesty or clarity, they still did set the mood of the general public in favor of military action against these nations. Even now, go ask the average European or American and he'll tell you that Assad is a bloodthirsty dictator. Who you got to thank for that?
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