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JollyJoker
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posted December 11, 2012 08:48 AM |
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Is there any difference between alcohol and/or nicotine and/or prescription-free stuff like aspirin, ibuprofen and so on - all legal drugs - and other drugs in terms of "user endangers society"?
Yeah, nicotine and alcohol and aspirin do not cause halucinations, deep euphoria and of course extasy.
That one made me laugh pretty loud. I have news for you: apart from the fact that said drugs do all that, you don't even need a drug for that - do you want to ban sex as well?
And they call our society "information society" nowadays...
I wonder why some people are so keen on treating all members of society like infants, commanding, prohibiting, punishing, when good education aims to enable children to make their own informed decisions, freely. Are you Bible fans, adoring the strict commandments and punishments there? Is that our role model how to deal with complex issues? Slam a taboo on them and punish the taboo breakers?
No, you are probably just badly informed.
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dimis
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posted December 11, 2012 03:50 PM |
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Only in the States
- Wearing a helmet while riding a motorcycle is optional.
- Wearing a seat belt while driving is mandatory.
True story.
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Seraphim
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posted December 11, 2012 03:58 PM |
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That one made me laugh pretty loud.
Good for you. I find it hard to laugh at anything in this types of threads.
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I have news for you: apart from the fact that said drugs do all that, you don't even need a drug for that - do you want to ban sex as well?
I have used the wrong semantics then. We have psychoactive and psychedelic drugs.
Aspirin and ibuprofen are not psychedelic. Their primary function is not to produce hallucinations. But screw that,
You are right. Lets give every drug a legal status.
I really wonder what would then happen? I dont know.
Care to explain your vision or your perspective?
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do you want to ban sex as well?
Why not? To many suckers are born anyways.
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And they call our society "information society" nowadays...
"The ERA OF THE INFORMATION and SO MUCH IGNORANCE NOWADAYS" Well, think about what you just said.
There is so much information that many people cant be arsed to care about such things. There is so much ignorance because there are so many subjects that people dont know or dont care about.
They should rather call society as being ignorant and arrogant.
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No, you are probably just badly informed.
Stone Age.
Wow,wow...hold it there buddy. Dont head directly into "You are probably" type of slander.
You should not expect people to be as "Well" informed as you are.
Head into some drug based or pharmaceutical forums and ask there.
You dont expect people in a game forum to be so "Knowing" on this subject.
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markkur
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posted December 11, 2012 04:18 PM |
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Are you Bible fans, adoring the strict commandments and punishments there?
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Hmm, I guess so, Christ said; "it's not what goes in a man that defiles him but what comes out of the man that does".
With that as a guide for me through the "Reefer Madness" of the self-proclaimed enlightenment of modern man (meaning both the secular & religious overseers); I am well content with my views about drugs, the law and where the madness has been all along.
The old adage; "One man's medicine is another man's poison" is much more than old...it is Truth.
Collectively, modern man is so brilliant when it comes to managing things; he has to drink his water from a plastic bottle.
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JollyJoker
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posted December 11, 2012 08:19 PM |
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This isn't the right thread to discuss drugs. I've made a couple of attempts in discussing them in others, but it's a difficult issue, and a lot of false or not precise "information" is spread.
This thread is about Mvass saying that he can be against the use of drugs, but still defend the point of view that drug use should not be a criminal offense or even be freely allowed (for grown-ups), provided all info about them is available.
He's just using this as an erxample to underline his point, which isn't about drugs, but about the right of grown-ups to make decisions about their life and the right of governments to criminalize certain behaviour, although it doesn't gain anything.
If and how which drugs should be "de-criminalized" or "legalized", which is not the same thing, or not is certainly an issue for a specific thread, but let me tell you that I didn't read any post against the "de-criminalizing" of drugs that makes sense OR seems to be based on valid information and facts.
You have to look to the KNOWN and LEGAL drugs to see the effects. Just because alcohol is legal, not everyone is an alcoholic. In fact, a lot of alcoholics are "fitting in" - no one would guess they are. They work normally, lead a normal life, but just drink a lot, "recreatively". With today's regulations, there are lots of smokers who do the same - smoking only after hours and in the lunch break.
As Dr. House (a pain-killer addict and doc) said in the TV series - addiction isn't the problem, if it takes away the pain and allows you to function.
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markkur
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posted December 12, 2012 12:33 AM |
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He's just using this as an erxample to underline his point, which isn't about drugs, but about the right of grown-ups to make decisions about their life and the right of governments to criminalize certain behaviour, although it doesn't gain anything.
Yeah I know, I've read off and on but <imo> the drug issue is a good spot to land for discussion. As you said there's much mis-information out there.
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Elodin
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posted December 12, 2012 04:36 AM |
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I wonder why some people are so keen on treating all members of society like infants, commanding, prohibiting, punishing, when good education aims to enable children to make their own informed decisions, freely. Are you Bible fans, adoring the strict commandments and punishments there? Is that our role model how to deal with complex issues? Slam a taboo on them and punish the taboo breakers?
No, you are probably just badly informed.
Stone Age.
I am a fan of the Bible. It offers great wisdom to those who thirst for it and is great food for the spiritually hungry.  But scoffers, the willfully ignorant, and the hard of heart will find little there for them.
The New Testament is the authoritative source of Christian doctrine. It has never authorized the church to punish any sinner for any sin beyond disfellowshipping a person who claims to be a Christian but who refuses to stop living in sin after several attempts by several different people to get him to change.
What the New Testament says is that we as individuals are to love, pray for, and do good to sinners. However, the New Testament does recognize the right and duty of the government to restrain evil and says in fact that it is to be a "terror" to evildoers and that it has the "power of the sword" (capital punishment.)
Anyone who has told you otherwise is either a deliberate liar or is simply ignorant of what the Bible actually says.
Now, if you are referring to the Old Testament, there were a set of rules that were the civil laws governing the nation of Israel. That that up with the ancient Israelites.
I'm not really sure why you threw religion into the discussion, but that is my reply to your comments.
Do I believe in punishing criminals? Yep, you bet. It is irrational to do otherwise. Some silly liberals want to let them lose on society instead of keeping the locked up to keep society safe.
Should drugs be illegal? You bet. They are highly destructive to both society and to the individual. If drugs are legalized, anyone who stays too stoned to work definitely should not receive ANY assistance from the government at all. The government should "step over them" as they are lying in the street too stoned to move.
Now if an individual wishes to help the druggie, so be it. But the government should offer no clean needles, no drugs, no food, no lodging, no rehab. That should all come from the private sector.
And if anyone kills another person as a result of being stone, whether on purpose or an accident, that should result in an automatic death sentence. No reprieves, not pardons, no second chances.
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JollyJoker
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posted December 12, 2012 07:34 AM |
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Well, well, one can always rely on Elodin illustrating one's pointjust nicely, don't you think, Seraphim?
Stone Age, Stoning Age, Stoned Age - I pick the latter, thank you.
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