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Heroes Community > Dimension Gates > Thread: [DoC] - Herald of the Void
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bloucester
bloucester


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MSN can go to hell
posted July 23, 2013 11:46 AM

I was at 1300 ELO and every second deck I played against was a broken one. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind losing, I just want to lose to skill and/or luck, not decks that exploit the game. I know it is a part of... the said game but it is annoying. I've been falling behind on my reading anyway.

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The_Polyglot
The_Polyglot


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channeling capybara energy
posted July 23, 2013 12:46 PM
Edited by The_Polyglot at 13:22, 23 Jul 2013.

Here's the latest variation I'm trying.

EDIT: Scratch that, subbed in Deep Mountain Turtles for Blind Bros, ditched Campfires, put in 2 Halls of Fortune and something else I currently forgot.
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RMZ1989
RMZ1989


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posted July 23, 2013 04:21 PM

Looks good, Strength of the Sea + Broken Bridge is sick combo. Have you considered Unmei-Kami? Do you have them at all?
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Dave_Jame
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posted July 23, 2013 05:01 PM

Unmie-Kami are a waist of spot.. for several good reasons
1: they have to hit to use the abilitie
2: you have to have the atributes for the card
3: you have to pay for it.
4: They are not exactly a power haus

If you're not making a deck around this card  it's better to use Mizu-kami

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Dave_Jame
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posted July 23, 2013 05:30 PM

How does bad luck look like
Opened a new herold box.. only one new card.
3rd Dhamiria
And Strenght of the sea that I got from the pit

Bad card day
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RedEmperor30
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posted July 23, 2013 05:49 PM

Dave_Jame said:
How does bad luck look like
Opened a new herold box.. only one new card.
3rd Dhamiria
And Strenght of the sea that I got from the pit

Bad card day


DoubleDeck has put this stat list together of % probability you actually getting cards... nice one Double


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RMZ1989
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posted July 23, 2013 05:55 PM

Dave_Jame said:
Unmie-Kami are a waist of spot.. for several good reasons
1: they have to hit to use the abilitie
2: you have to have the atributes for the card
3: you have to pay for it.
4: They are not exactly a power haus

If you're not making a deck around this card  it's better to use Mizu-kami


1. Not a problem with Naga faction in general when they have relocate. In this deck he can use Broken Bridge, she has fortune ward anyway.

2. Again, not the problem, he is pumping all three attributes , and she is fairly cheap, 2-2-2.

3. Can you discard that card, or you have to use it? If you can't discard it, then I agree, it is pretty situational ability.

4. Depends on #3.
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bloucester
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MSN can go to hell
posted July 23, 2013 06:03 PM

Don't you think Necropolis is too underpowered right now? They should immediately patch the game, adding a new unit for 1-2 resource, 2/3/5, incorporeal, 3 poison counters to up to 3 targets when deployed, reanimate - when this creature dies, put it in your hand. This is the only fair way to make them on par with the rest...

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Dave_Jame
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posted July 23, 2013 06:17 PM

@RedEmperor30
And I told him its not actually working.. since it takes the total number of cards in a set and does not take their distribution into account correctly. ;-)
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RedEmperor30
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posted July 23, 2013 06:19 PM

bloucester said:
Don't you think Necropolis is too underpowered right now? They should immediately patch the game, adding a new unit for 1-2 resource, 2/3/5, incorporeal, 3 poison counters to up to 3 targets when deployed, reanimate - when this creature dies, put it in your hand. This is the only fair way to make them on par with the rest...


I personally think  a mini atropos creature, 0 resource cost, 1 might which once deployed instantly deploys 4 ghost dragons, regardless if you have them or not, seems like the only fair way DoC can bring nec back into the game.

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RMZ1989
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posted July 23, 2013 06:20 PM

bloucester said:
Don't you think Necropolis is too underpowered right now? They should immediately patch the game, adding a new unit for 1-2 resource, 2/3/5, incorporeal, 3 poison counters to up to 3 targets when deployed, reanimate - when this creature dies, put it in your hand. This is the only fair way to make them on par with the rest...

The sarcasm is strong with this one!

I agree that Necro needs a nerf, but I think that most problems comes from the heroes.

About the creatures, I would nerf Atropos to just be able to resurrect 1 creature, Untamed Wraiths should be 2-1-4(this is Elvin's suggestion, and I think that it makes perfect sense). Decay Spitters are the most problematic, I think that making them 1-0-5 or 2-0-4 should do, and most importantly, I would change them from Uncommon to Rare.
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bloucester
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MSN can go to hell
posted July 23, 2013 06:26 PM
Edited by bloucester at 18:33, 23 Jul 2013.

Untamed wraiths - 2/1/4 is perfect... or 2/2/3.

Atropos - return 1 creature, cannot be brought back from the graveyard by fortunes/spells/Adar Malik

Decay spitters - 1 poison counter

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Dave_Jame
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posted July 23, 2013 06:50 PM
Edited by Dave_Jame at 19:57, 23 Jul 2013.

You forgot
All cards which bring back creatures changed to non-unique
Change lifedrain to work only on creatures not on the hero

EDIT:

Just for fun:
My Yukiko deck to compare  with Poly's
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The_Polyglot
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posted July 23, 2013 08:05 PM

I have considered Unmei Kami, but it's too situational and fragile to boot. Besides, I'm not wasting Outmaneuver on random chances.
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RedEmperor30
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posted July 23, 2013 08:08 PM

shiny armeggedon in pit if anyone keen

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bloucester
bloucester


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MSN can go to hell
posted July 24, 2013 07:53 AM

Dave Jame, Poly, when I'm playing a fortune deck, I tend to include 1-2 Cosmic Realignments to deal with control decks and shortage of cards.

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DoubleDeck
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posted July 24, 2013 08:08 AM
Edited by DoubleDeck at 08:10, 24 Jul 2013.

I re-worked the probabilities of getting a certain card type per pack. The previous one here posted by RedEmp of mine is a "representation" of cards per pack. This is the actual probability using pure statistical calculations.

As you can see, the highest probability is a common creature from the herald pack (98.0%) and the lowest probability is the rare event card from the void pack (2.9%).



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Dave_Jame
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posted July 24, 2013 08:24 AM
Edited by Dave_Jame at 08:25, 24 Jul 2013.

bloucester said:
Dave Jame, Poly, when I'm playing a fortune deck, I tend to include 1-2 Cosmic Realignments to deal with control decks and shortage of cards.


My deck playes more like a Rush deck or board control. Control decks don't bother me that much. But I don't encounter them so often.

@ DD
I've been making some math of my own.... and I came to these conclusions

1: If the probability of 1 out of 7 cards is true. Then the chance to get an epic in your booster is 14%.
2: Since, in the base set there are 14 epic cards, the chance to get the card you want is 1%.
3: In a box you should find an avarage of 1,5 epic cards.


Fun with statistics (number two)
Since necro and Inferno rage is the topic now. I decided to keep track of my oponents from now on for the next 100 games.
Since then I played 11 games, all random, and it does not look good for any faction except these two.
I'll give you the result if people would be interested
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RedEmperor30
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posted July 24, 2013 09:08 AM

Ha Dave vs Double in DoA.... duel of accountants who will triumph?!?

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Elvin
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posted July 24, 2013 01:00 PM
Edited by Elvin at 13:47, 24 Jul 2013.

RMZ1989 said:
So, how much is it different from the one that is posted on MMDoC?

Sorry forgot to reply. I've been meaning to post the deck on mmdoc but there are plenty of similar builds around. The general differences lie in number of earthquakes(if at all), addition of lack of abyssal lords(or a substitute such as pit lord / earth elemental), number of void callers or bloaters. The only variant that truly stands out is Nemesis' [url=http://www.mmdoc.net/show_deck/7259/=rush lock[/url] I'll post mine later.

As for my doc personna, I am a bit of each. I can appreciate brutal overkill, deck/combo creativity as well as cold efficience but not necessarily in the same deck. I want the decks I play to feel more personal and suited to my gameplay but I will often try strategies that do not feel like me, if only to try something different and see how it might benefit my current sense of balance and/or deckbuilding.
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