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RMZ1989
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posted September 13, 2013 12:52 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
RMZ1989 said:
@Dave
Is this your first time you get 1300 or it is just first time with your Nagas? You are higher level than me, and you have a lot more cards than me, I am pretty sure you can go for 1501, I am currently around ~1300, and was ~1370 multiple times with Garant/Seria/Adar-Malik.
Actually first or second time around 1300. Yea I've got a lot of cards but I never got those that are needed for the top tier decks.
Like DA at its time. Throne o R., V. Abriter etc. But hey.. I got 8 chaos imps :-P.
Unlucky on the draw... Thats why I'm looking forward to the altar (Also a Card i have in largenumbers)
On the other hand, I'm almost at the 5k cards milestone for the Ariana card achievement..
Yeah, I know that feel... I mean, I shouldn't really complain about it, I am the guy that miss some uncommon and rare cards, but have some other rare and epics. I got 4 Paos ~50 level, I know people that are at ~120 levels and got like 1-3. 
Also, I got 3 Vulture Riders in one week, but I still have 2 Decay Spitters and 2 Surprise Attacks that are uncommon cards after a ton of packs opened. Got only 1 DA, miss Throne, same as Mass Inner Fire, got only one Caller of the Void etc. but hey, that is RNG.
Looking forward to Altar of Wishes. 
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RedEmperor30
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posted September 13, 2013 12:56 PM |
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@Dave... the DA card is nuts that you dont have... i am lvl 94 and only have 1 - which i think i only got at 86
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DoubleDeck
Promising
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posted September 13, 2013 04:17 PM |
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Congrats to RedEmp for 1501! Nice one! 
Good solid deck and graveyard recursing! Bring back banshee after banshee!
Watch out for the meta changes with the next expansion (chaplain crusader for example)...
But nice one bud
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RedEmperor30
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posted September 13, 2013 06:39 PM |
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DoubleDeck said:
Congrats to RedEmp for 1501! Nice one!
Good solid deck and graveyard recursing! Bring back banshee after banshee!
Watch out for the meta changes with the next expansion (chaplain crusader for example)...
But nice one bud
shot, i little more complicated than bring back banshee after banshee
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Dave_Jame
Promising
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posted September 14, 2013 10:27 AM |
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Registration for the 2nd round of HC no-rare tournament is now opened!!!
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redemperor30
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posted September 14, 2013 01:04 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
Registration for the 2nd round of HC no-rare tournament is now opened!!!
Hi Dave, i'm in... a thought for this tourny...
can we make it a 2 max duplicate for deck, and exclude necro from tourny?
E & I have had some fun games like this 
ps... can you pm me on how and when the tourny will work so id ont miss it.
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted September 14, 2013 01:13 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 13:14, 14 Sep 2013.
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Yes, I too was thinking that 2 duplicates would be more fun. One duplicate is lame and a luckfest but 2 is enough to have nice, varied games.
1) That would reduce the power of mass removal. You no longer have to fear decks with 4 earthquake/insect swarm/town portal etc.
2) Units that are normally ignored would be included because we would be unable to put 4x of all our staples, leading to more interesting games.
3) Tamed and wild spirits would not be as powerful as you would not have 4x of all normal/magical creatures. Even if you have a focus you'd have to mix them.
4) More variety in events, more possibilities.
5) Perhaps there would be no need to ban creatures as part of their strength lies in having their duplicates maxed.
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A possible downside would be for otk as you'd have less removal/protection spell/fortune duplicates but that is not necessarily a bad thing 
What do you guys think?
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Dave_Jame
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posted September 14, 2013 01:56 PM |
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@RedEmperor30
Hi Red, just follow This topic here on HC. all information is and will be written there, and we can discuse any tournament related topic there aswell
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RedEmperor30
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posted September 14, 2013 02:01 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
@RedEmperor30
Hi Red, just follow This topic here on HC. all information is and will be written there, and we can discuse any tournament related topic there aswell
thanks dave
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DoubleDeck
Promising
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posted September 15, 2013 06:14 PM |
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Why are there always server bugs on the weekend? (Grey screen at end of duel usually)
Do they need someone to turn the wheels of the cogs to keep server going and there's no one there on weekends to do that? Just asking...
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The_Polyglot
Promising
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channeling capybara energy
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posted September 15, 2013 06:24 PM |
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No-one works at weekends, so hamsters get hungry.
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NamelessOrder
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posted September 16, 2013 08:08 PM |
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moving the discussion:
Quote:
The way i see it there are some fundamental problems with haven: UP creatures:
- no offensive 1-resource drop
- 2-resource archers UP compared to others (succubus or lich) and yet almost every deck has full set of expert marksmen b/c there are no other shooters for haven
- 3-resource it's ok (glories > crusaders) but not really in term of archers (compare wolf marksmen to centaur archer)
- 4-resource Seraph Warrior wtf - it's often worse than glories, griffin marksmen is better imho
and the basic spell: heal is useless.
wolf captain is a card that brings balance but it's an epic... At least that's my opinion. You can disregard it as n00b QQing.
Elvin said:
I'd call it pretty bad. I'd suggest something like this instead. But let's please not clutter this thread with deck suggestions, this is supposed to be a guide Please use the herald of the void topic for that.
your thread your rules but i don't think that helping newbies getting their first deck improved is outside the "guidlines" of newcomer guide.
Anyway this deck is more or less exactly what i have right now. it's just what's the point of using a seeker if one doesn't use any fortunes or the 2 fortune points at all.
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Dave_Jame
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posted September 16, 2013 08:52 PM |
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Haven has a very specifc gameplay and special characteristics that are not always visible at first. Some of the strongest decks in the game were and still are based on it and it is the faction whith the most balancing changes on its account when we talk about weakening them.
Haven might look weak but only in strenght. Its guard abilities are more then usefull, they can deploy a large number of creatures fast (thanks to their economic part) and have rather strong creatures like Glories or Angels (they are much stronger then you think).
It is a faction that is hard and sometimes boarinng to play. but not weak.
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NamelessOrder
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posted September 16, 2013 09:41 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
Haven has a very specifc gameplay and special characteristics that are not always visible at first. Some of the strongest decks in the game were and still are based on it and it is the faction whith the most balancing changes on its account when we talk about weakening them.
Haven might look weak but only in strenght. Its guard abilities are more then usefull, they can deploy a large number of creatures fast (thanks to their economic part) and have rather strong creatures like Glories or Angels (they are much stronger then you think).
It is a faction that is hard and sometimes boarinng to play. but not weak.
1. by angels you mean what? there are many angels. If you mean Warrior Serraph then... no. i never see them in top decks, see for yourself:
top haven decks from http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/792606-Decklists-by-Tier:
http://www.mmdoc.net/show_deck/9901/
http://www.mmdoc.net/show_deck/9903/
http://www.mmdoc.net/show_deck/9148/
even Elvin's deck (no creature with 4 might):
http://www.mmdoc.net/show_deck/10128/
2. The problem with guards is that they are very situational and deck specific. If i'm fighting vs a deck that relies heavily on shooters then the elite squire is excellent but many a times he will be taken down by a melee or a flyer since he's a melee and always at the front lines. Anyhow, i have 3 holy preatorian and 2 squires in my deck (i also have 1 griffin knight but not included in the deck).
by economic you mean what? river of gems? maybe but most decks don't have the river. I do. I currently change my deck and im playing cassa 3/4/3, but i have mixed feelings about it.
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RMZ1989
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posted September 16, 2013 09:55 PM |
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No, by economic, he means Tithe Collectors, that are by far the best level 1 creatures in the game. I've seen many times that people even waste Pao Deathseekers to kill them. Not a smart move I would say, but it is true that if you let Haven have 1 or 2 Tithe Collectors on the field for 2-3 turns, he will be in a huge advantage in resources, and will destroy you with constant spell spamming together with deploying more creatures than you every turn.
I am playing 3-4 decks at 1250 - 1360 ELO, and Sandalphone always gives me trouble, no matter if he has many epics, Wolf Captains, or whatever, even without them, he just masses units way to fast.
And people are saying that Haven is underpowered, it is to some extent, mostly because it doesn't have good heroes outside of Alia and Sandalphone, but those two are more than good in my opinion, especially Sandalphone is in top 5 decks(again, in my opinion).
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Dave_Jame
Promising
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posted September 16, 2013 09:59 PM |
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I see you are new to the game so I will tell you only one thing now...
Stop scouting for "top decks", they are not the only ones out there and not theonly ones that work.
For a person who by his own wordds lacks any "high rated" cards you give to much examples of decks with high number of epic cards... try to be more creative and dont only copy decs of other people.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 16, 2013 10:14 PM |
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Back in void rising there were many people who played 4//4/0 Kieran, with seraph warriors. And sometimes they were really hard to kill, despite not being the best of units. It's all how you make it fit in your deck. Times have definitely changed and rush can work much better now, in which case you have no reason to include units above lvl 3. But heavier, retaliation decks also work nicely so don't be quick to write them off. If you've ever been finished in a Truce of Elrath overkill you know what I mean
One reason you should not look into 'expert' decks is that they face a different meta than you and they have different cards that can give them options you may not have. Some of those decks work great vs high elo deck but can randomly lose to a lucky noob rusher Seraph warrior might be easier to counter by those decks but not as easily by people lower in the rankings.
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NamelessOrder
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posted September 16, 2013 10:57 PM |
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RMZ1989 said:
1. No, by economic, he means Tithe Collectors,
2. And people are saying that Haven is underpowered, it is to some extent, mostly because it doesn't have good heroes
1. I have 2 Tithe Collectors. They are good but also b/c there are no other decent 1-drop creatures. Srsly!! And they are double edge sword, if you don't get them during the 1st turn you don't wanna get them at all. And they mess up angel of mercy's ability.
2. So maybe you should listen to them . Since i was talking about a Seeker i don't think it's about heroes.
Dave_Jame said:
Stop scouting for "top decks", they are not the only ones out there and not theonly ones that work.
For a person who by his own wordds lacks any "high rated" cards you give to much examples of decks with high number of epic cards... try to be more creative and dont only copy decs of other people.
I have to see what people better than me include in their decks to improve faster.
And i gave you links to ALL top haven decks listed on the website (that lists top decks). As you can see there aren't that many haven decks. I also encounter a lot of necro, stronghold and inferno decks. Haven and Sanc are less visible. Which is ironic b/c Stronghold is not one of the basic factions.
If you know about great cassa deck that doesn't include wolf captains - tell me please.
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And Elvin - i don't believe that there's a meta around Elo 1050.
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imho: haven has no offensive 1-drop creature/spell, their archers are subpar, and 4-drop creatures are also weak. So to balanced that, developers created an epic: wolf captain which is... epic!, but good luck getting them.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
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posted September 17, 2013 08:43 AM |
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Oky
You must understand that haven is not an offensive faction, they focuse on deffence and long time advantages. Saying they lack high attack low drops is like saying necor lack high attack creatures.
Example.
Haven has 7 creatures with a basic attack of 3 or higher. 4 of these are C/U and 3 are R/E
Necor also has only 7 such creatures, but of these, only 2 are C/U and 5 are R/E, even more the epic ones are at might 5 and 6.
Whitout the proper cards, necro is slow, can't do damage in high numbers but can take a lot of it thanks to life drain.
From C/U cards, Haven is the biggger Damage dealer and with heal and guard thay can take or prevent damage as good as necro.
Stronghold and inferno are more offensive factions
Strognhold has 14 creatures with basic attack of 3+ (7 C/U, 7 R/E), and with their offensive abilities like enrage or double attack, they can do a lot of damage.
Inferno has creatures with the highest damage in the game. Their 15 creatures of 3+ attack show this nicely (10! C/U and 5 E/R). But the usually can't taky much of it.
Each faction has its own pros and cons, and you must play acording to them. Think about the magic they can use, the abilities they have.
Now to Sanctuary. My favorite faction at the moment.
The reason why you see more stronghold and not sanctuary is that stronghold is already in the base set, but santuary was introduce in VR. If you start the game, you try to boost your starting faction, the best way to do this, and to get key cards like firebal etc., is to buy base set packs. In the base set, you only get the 4 factions, and you have the same chance to get any of them. So after some time you have a potent stronghhold base. And also take into account that you can easylly get access to a stronghold hero just for playing the campaing. Now you can see why people have access to this faction. To play sanctuary, you wold have to focuse on the VR expansion. In VR you have a higher chance to get naga cards, since they are more of them there. But the cards for other factions are rather low in number and some factions do not have many good cards in this expansion.
But sanctuary is not weak, I even think a thoughtfull player can make more of them at low elo than with any other faction.
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The_Polyglot
Promising
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channeling capybara energy
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posted September 17, 2013 09:03 AM |
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Low elo with proper basic Ishu build was a cakewalk Nagas are like a black horse: They can win anything, but also lose to anyone. I'm playing only them ATM, did so from the beginning, and it did hurt my ability to branch out into other factions, with maybe Stronghold being something of a serious option, mostly because of cards like Blackskull Warlord and Vulture Rider, both of which I already have 2 of. Within the Naga faction however, I do have a lot of options For example, I can make Farmer decks, I can make a Jackpot deck, I can make serious, 1200+ ELO decks... AND I'm getting buffed by Forgotten Wars! 
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