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Adrius
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posted May 13, 2013 10:45 AM |
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Edited by Adrius at 11:01, 13 May 2013.
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Well, the job interviewer.
Stuff like your previous work experience, recommendations from previous employers, and your answers to the interviewer's questions, that kinda stuff should give them an idea about your personality.
You should still get the boot if you act like a douche. Of course a subjective argument like that opens up a possibility for employers to recruit people and then giving them the boot for unfair, personal reasons (e.g. rascism).
'Tis why collective bargaining is important, so peeps can't give people the boot over just anything (AMAGOSH TRADE UNIONS?! SORCERY!). Like ya said... regulators for regulators 
It's never gonna be perfect, but expecting the "free market" or something to fix things itself is unrealistic imo.
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posted May 13, 2013 11:26 AM |
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Actually Adrius, studies show that Sweden has the least racial discrimination in all of Europe. I'll get a link to it when I get home from school.
Positive discrimination is never okay and I'm very happy that Sweden abandoned it (there used to be positive discrimination to UNIVERSITIES). Positive discrimination leads away from meritocracy and makes people feel disadvantaged (rightfully) which risks creating great tension and antagonism between various groups in society. If strained, it can break a society and even whole country apart.
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Zenofex
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posted May 13, 2013 11:28 AM |
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The concept of free market is not any different than the concept of communism - both have never existed. Unlike the communism-related teachings though, there are still official free-market-related phantasmagoria doctrines that circle the universities.
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artu
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posted May 13, 2013 11:29 AM |
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Let me start by saying I am not totally against the idea, but positive discrimination is a very hard BALANCING TO BALANCE.
I mean I get it, in case of Afro-Americans, they weren't even immigrants. Their ancestors were dragged by force from another continent and for centuries they lived without any income, property or proper education and there was massive negative discrimination towards them at least until the early 1970's, which can qualify as recent past. So it's not exactly fair to say, "hey, let the better man win." But, people don't live their every day lives with an historical perspective and if they see someone getting a job because of their race, it may then start a different kind of racism.
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xerox
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posted May 13, 2013 11:31 AM |
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Edited by xerox at 11:41, 13 May 2013.
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The concept of free market is not any different than the concept of communism - both have never existed. Unlike the communism-related teachings though, there are still official free-market-related phantasmagoria doctrines that circle the universities.
Free market is more of an aim rather than something we have today.
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artu
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posted May 13, 2013 11:33 AM |
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The concept of free market is not any different than the concept of communism - both have never existed. Unlike the communism-related teachings though, there are still official free-market-related phantasmagoria doctrines that circle the universities.
Free market is more of an aim than something we have now.
Well, that's ironic since this is like the motto of any communist country in the past, of course you should scratch free market from the sentence and write communism instead.
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xerox
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posted May 13, 2013 11:43 AM |
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Not very strange considering that they are the polar opposites of each other.
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blizzardboy
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posted May 13, 2013 11:53 AM |
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@Artu:
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Let me start by saying I am not totally against the idea, but positive discrimination is a very hard BALANCING TO BALANCE.
I mean I get it, in case of Afro-Americans, they weren't even immigrants. Their ancestors were dragged by force from another continent and for centuries they lived without any income, property or proper education and there was massive negative discrimination towards them at least until the early 1970's, which can qualify as recent past. So it's not exactly fair to say, "hey, let the better man win." But, people don't live their every day lives with an historical perspective and if they see someone getting a job because of their race, it may then start a different kind of racism.
The residual effects on Afro-Americans from the past are, if anything, frequently understated. While they had the hurdle of being uneducated, in recent post-slavery southern blacks were so accustomed to hard labor that they would work twice as hard for half as much money and they still thought it was better than the plantation. That powerful work ethic quickly collapsed as it became perfectly obvious to every black person and their children that they would never be properly rewarded for their efforts. Mediocrity and defeat were imprinted into their skulls and it's still obvious to see today by observing black American subculture, and you'd have to be a complete moron to think the not-so-distant past doesn't render them at a steep disadvantage.
But there's a problem: none of this means that positive discrimination is actually beneficial on the whole. Hiring a person to meet an affirmative action requirement by default means that another person isn't being hired. Human resources are the backbone to every institution and they are weakened directly as a result.
Treating people beyond what they merit or beneath what they merit both herd people into a state of mediocrity, although admittedly I think treating them beneath what they merit can have a stronger effect. Just imagine getting paid half as much as some scrawny Irish guy and knowing there's nothing you can change about your behavior that will make a difference on the matter. Of course unequal pay was also common among Chinese and even whites, but even a scrub could still have a realistic hope of upward mobility.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted May 13, 2013 12:26 PM |
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I think Sweden would be a great country for me to live and work in, xerox. I appreciate that there's very little discrimination in all areas and freedom.
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Elodin
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posted May 13, 2013 05:50 PM |
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Let a person's qualifications for a job determine who gets hired/promoted. Let a person's academic performance/test performance determine who gets in the university and who gets scholarships. Ect.
I agree, but that's not what happens. If there is a systematic discrimination (thanks for that word) where employers actively avoid hiring people of e.g. foreign origin, how can they even get the chance to show their qualifications?
The goal is for this kinda positive discrimination to NOT be needed, but for that to happen you need to battle the discrimination in people's minds first. It's not any attempt at liberal brainwashing, it's simply about letting different cultures meet up, get accustomed to each other and learn instead of these groups getting holed up in ghettos where they have little chance of ever getting out.
No, the goal of "positive discrimination" is to buy votes, in this day and age.
Any employer that hires on the basis of race and gender is foolish and is hurting its bottom line. Of course sometimes the employer is forced to do so by the government.
Hopefully the government's ability to force people to discriminate is about to end, as the Supreme Court will be ruling on a couple of affirmative action cases soon
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posted May 14, 2013 10:56 AM |
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I agree with Elodin, reverse discrimination is like a political commercial.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted May 14, 2013 06:46 PM |
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I did extensive examination on using positive discrimination, especially in workplaces through things like quotas for hiring black people and other minorities, it works, but the fact that it's deeply hypocritical means that I cannot endorse it.
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blizzardboy
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posted May 14, 2013 07:24 PM |
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If that's the case I can't see why you wouldn't endorse it.
Just because something works doesn't mean that it's worth the cost. In Age of Empires there are various builds you can use that all 'work' in some fashion, but some build strategies are more optimal than others.
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GunFred
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posted May 16, 2013 12:18 PM |
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Only fools and sheep label themselves with a political ideology. I am a GunFredist my self and what GunFredism actually is, is a mystery and will have to be researched by observing individual cases.
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Left socialist feminist or something I guess.
ALL I SEE IS RED IT'S NOT MY FAULT.
Once again Adrius danish blood has emerged. Red is the colour of Sweden's many historical enemies so clearly your eyes can only see unpatriotic sights.
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posted May 16, 2013 12:38 PM |
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So Thomas Jefferson, FDR, JFK, Gorbachev and the like were all fools, right GunFred?
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted May 16, 2013 12:40 PM |
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So Thomas Jefferson, FDR, JFK, Gorbachev and the like were all fools, right GunFred?
Yes, irregardless of Gunny's post.
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GunFred
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posted May 16, 2013 12:48 PM |
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So Thomas Jefferson, FDR, JFK, Gorbachev and the like were all fools, right GunFred?
Unless they actually created their own ideologies, yes. If they did create, then they were shepherds/pied pipers.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted May 17, 2013 05:18 PM |
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Interesting. So only Tsar and Gun are the enlighted ones because they have formed their own ideas, despite that they haven't done anything notable as of now. Did I get it?
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Elodin
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posted May 25, 2013 02:30 AM |
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Our freshman senator from Texas (a Tea Party favorite) is a thorn in the side of both Republicans and Democrats as he calls both parties to task for the ever increasing US debt.
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posted July 13, 2013 09:31 PM |
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I now resent democracy.
Iron Guard is where I stand.
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