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posted May 22, 2013 06:20 PM |
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Edited by fauch at 18:22, 22 May 2013.
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For a minute there, even if we take that alien thing for true, it is them that had to be evolved or miraculously pop up then.
it isn't crazier than creationism I think.
what is a fact actually? humans coming from apes? or just evolution?
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posted May 22, 2013 06:22 PM |
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Edited by Hobbit at 18:24, 22 May 2013.
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It would be nice if we had ANY better theory. Does anyone have anything more rational and non-absurd than that?
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what is a fact actually?
Well, does anyone doubt that animals adapt themselves in case of new environment?
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artu
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posted May 22, 2013 06:38 PM |
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what is a fact actually? humans coming from apes? or just evolution?
We are a member of the primate family and evolved into our current selves in millions of years, our latest state Homo Sapiens has been around for 150-200 thousand years. There may be new discoveries any time, like they recently discovered a Denisovan Man, a close, extinct relative of us like the Neanderthal, latest DNA studies also show we used to mate with Neanderthals and Denisovans. Stuff like that can modify the theory, but the basics are solid: Yes, you came from "monkeys".
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posted May 22, 2013 06:48 PM |
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I'll never believe that in millions of years we evolved and then only in thousands years we reached the stage of sending a man to the moon.
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posted May 22, 2013 06:57 PM |
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What does one have to do with the other?
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posted May 22, 2013 06:59 PM |
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Where were the inventors in those millions of years? Where were the geniuses?
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fauch
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posted May 22, 2013 07:02 PM |
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Well, does anyone doubt that animals adapt themselves in case of new environment?
I heard about survival of the fittest, but that's not adaptation.
can animals really adapt?
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artu
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posted May 22, 2013 07:03 PM |
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Edited by artu at 19:09, 22 May 2013.
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I'll never believe that in millions of years we evolved and then only in thousands years we reached the stage of sending a man to the moon.
One is biology, process of evolution in the middle of natural events chaotically following each other, the other is civilization, intelligence and premeditated plans. Intelligence (in some cases) brought the ability to write and that brings the ability to accumulate knowledge through generation to generation. If you raise a man Tarzan style, he wont be that different from a neanderthal.
Where are your geniuses from the Amazon tribes?
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artu
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posted May 22, 2013 07:07 PM |
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Edited by artu at 19:10, 22 May 2013.
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can animals really adapt?
It's not the individual animal that adapts, it's the population. Dark skin in north climate causes D vitamin efficiency for example, so lighter skin has better chance to survive, in thousands of years that creates the difference between Scandinavians and Arabs. No single individual turns from black to white.
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posted May 22, 2013 07:11 PM |
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You're comparing the Amazon tribes to billions of humans who supposedly lived in those millions of years. It's too hard for me to swallow that it took that long for civilizations to be formed.
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fauch
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posted May 22, 2013 07:12 PM |
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so there is no adaptation. the so-called adapted (evolved?) animal existed before the so-called adaptation (evolution?) took place.
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artu
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posted May 22, 2013 07:15 PM |
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Edited by artu at 19:18, 22 May 2013.
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You're comparing the Amazon tribes to billions of humans who supposedly lived in those millions of years. It's too hard for me to swallow that it took that long for civilizations to be formed.
No, you're comparing a few thousand years of advanced civilization to 200-150 thousand years (not millions) of hunter-gatherer life. Learn about historical ages, each one is much shorter than the previous because knowledge accumulates. The last 200 years contain more inventions than the previous 20 thousand. Or don't you believe in the last 20 thousand years either?
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so there is no adaptation. the so-called adapted (evolved?) animal existed before the so-called adaptation (evolution?) took place.
That is so not what I said.
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posted May 22, 2013 07:23 PM |
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I still don't believe in millions of years of basically nothing notable for humans, then thousands of years of advancements.
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posted May 22, 2013 07:29 PM |
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I still don't believe in millions of years of basically nothing notable for humans, then thousands of years of advancements.
In millions of years there were no humans. Anatomically modern humans arose about 200 000 years ago, and our behavioral morality was reached about 50 000 years ago. Before that we were not really humans, but rather something similar to humans.
And yes, we advanced in thousands of years. It's not really surprising, once we started, we became better and better at it. I want to see some animals doing so.
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posted May 22, 2013 07:33 PM |
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I'd go further but I don't want to start another religious debate.
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artu
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posted May 22, 2013 07:38 PM |
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I still don't believe in millions of years of basically nothing notable for humans, then thousands of years of advancements.
Humans HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND for millions of years. Their ancestors did. What part of 200 thousand years don't you understand! What is it that you don't believe, the age of earth being millions of years? It's not an opinion to believe or not, it is something you learn or not.
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posted May 22, 2013 07:40 PM |
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I love this thread  Artu I applaud you for trying.
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posted May 22, 2013 07:48 PM |
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So our ancestors were all dum-dums? That's still a stretch but a bit more believeable.
I never said anything about the age of the Earth, I just talked about humans.
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artu
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posted May 22, 2013 07:59 PM |
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There is no stretch. There is just your exceptionally persistent ignorance. Only 15.000 years ago, all humans were hunter-gatherers. Now, why didn't anybody invent the light bulb, radio, television, automobile, automatic rifles, lighters, microwave ovens, all that time! why are all these invented in these last few centuries? We're talking about a period as short as 15.000 thousand years, so biological evolution is out of the picture. Hmmmm... could it be that inventors don't grow on farms? Why was there no piano concerto composer before 18th century, oh wait, maybe there was no piano to compose it with?
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posted May 22, 2013 08:12 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 20:12, 22 May 2013.
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Doesn't information from DNA pretty much prove evolution?
also this thread reeeeeaaally proves how important decent education is lol
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