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Minion
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posted May 23, 2013 05:00 PM |
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Have you read that book?
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Drakon-Deus
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posted May 23, 2013 05:00 PM |
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I think evolution is true, just that I also think it had a purpose.
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artu
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posted May 23, 2013 05:02 PM |
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Yes, it was all for you to be created and enlighten us with your wisdom.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted May 23, 2013 05:05 PM |
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I'm 19 and I barely know biology. We're not on the same level.
The author himself disagrees with you
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that natural selection, and evolution in general, are material processes, blind, mindless, and purposeless. (I also emphasize that—despite our shorthand characterization of selection as “acting” on individuals—it is not a “force” imposed on organisms from the outside, but simply a differential sorting of genes based on their contribution to reproduction.)
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Hobbit
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posted May 23, 2013 05:14 PM |
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Well, natural selection is blind and mindless (not sure about purposeless though). There are no laws of evolution, it just goes on like it is. So it's rather a disagreement with creationism or even theistic evolution - it's a pure luck that we are what we are.
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Minion
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posted May 23, 2013 05:15 PM |
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In the end, the absence of evidence for a godly hand in evolution is evidence of godly absence.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted May 23, 2013 05:18 PM |
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You can believe that we were created by the Borg as long as you don't call anyone names like artu is itching to call me.
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artu
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posted May 23, 2013 05:18 PM |
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Edited by artu at 17:21, 23 May 2013.
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He does not use blind in the sense you do, you claim evolution without God is a totally random (as in chaotic) process, what he means is it has no design, or purpose or premeditated plan. This had already been mentioned in threads you were existent, I suggest using the magical power of literacy.
I don't call you names but it's very true that I'm getting fed up with your trolling, the things you talked about in the beginning had nothing to do with evolution being theistic or not, they were senseless spam. And to be ignorant on a subject is not a crime but to persist on your ignorance is just childish and annoying.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted May 23, 2013 05:20 PM |
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I suggest you cut down on the sarcasm, it's getting old and repetitive. Much like our discussions. It's obvious you'll never see my point of view as valid.
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Minion
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posted May 23, 2013 05:24 PM |
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That is why I asked if Drakon you had actually read the book.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted May 23, 2013 05:25 PM |
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Mindless is mindless. It has the same meaning. This is my final post on this issue. Arguing with you is same as arguing over Messi or Maradona being the best footballer.
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xerox
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posted May 23, 2013 05:29 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 02:12, 24 May 2013.
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I often hear that evolution is random. How is that compatible with natural selection? Obviously, a species doesn't "choose" to adapt. But since natural selection would make evolution reactive, wouldn't that disprove the view that it is random?
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artu
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posted May 23, 2013 05:35 PM |
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Random may mean purposeless, without a design, in that case it is random. Random may mean without any pattern or dynamic, chaotic, in that case it is not.
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Corribus
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posted May 24, 2013 12:58 AM |
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Because natural selection isn't random, neither is evolution. If I had a dime for every time I said this, I'd be a gazillionaire.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted May 24, 2013 01:24 AM |
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I was taught during my environmental science studies that change happens, the creature that adapts to the changes in the habitat (regardless of how small the change is) then goes on to pass this improvement unto offspring. Something along those lines anyway.
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GunFred
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posted May 24, 2013 01:39 AM |
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Saying evolution is not true is like saying a child does not inherit any traits at all from their parents or that different dogs breed do not have a common dog/wolf ancestor.
That cute song that Elodin posted recently implies that the son is in fact like his father. "Like father, like son"
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fauch
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posted May 24, 2013 02:37 AM |
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Edited by fauch at 02:52, 24 May 2013.
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is that evolution?
what about that story of bees getting massively killed, apparently by the products of some laboratories?
is that a normal process of natural selection?
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artu
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posted May 24, 2013 06:31 AM |
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Breeding different dogs or farm animals intentionally is called artificial Selection. It is of course an evolutionary process but since it's planned, it's not called natural selection.
The bee thing depends on your opinion. Some say since we and our intelligence is a result of evolution, the technology and the change that comes with it is also part of natural selection. Others say, this is no more nature, it's the destruction of it and measurements should be taken more seriously.
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Corribus
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posted May 25, 2013 04:45 AM |
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It is of course an evolutionary process but since it's planned, it's not called natural selection.
Holy snow, someone actually gets it!
Fun fact - many studies have shown that while many people object (on the grounds that it's not natural) molecular-level manipulation of genomes, the same people have no problem with so-called natural breeding processes, even though the endpoints are the same.
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markkur
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posted May 25, 2013 01:11 PM |
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what about that story of bees getting massively killed, apparently by the products of some laboratories?
is that a normal process of natural selection?
I would call it Man's natural process of destruction on his way to bettering selection. 
Nature is a complex system and it amazes me how man can easily throw the thing into a collapse, even with some his best bio-brains at work.
That Bee-thing was no small error, maybe in the lab but not in the farmers fields. Then toss in the African-Bee fiasco and there seems to be a missing mindset of extreme caution still present in "research".
Btw, if anyone is growing some tomatoes My Father's trick was use 1 cotton swab and do the cross-pollination on the flowers yourself.
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