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artu
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posted August 01, 2013 07:55 PM |
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I'd rather be a medieval peasant than a hunter-gatherer.
So? You're claiming that the new technology wont be dominated by the rich, agriculture was dominated by the rich, they decided things not the serfs. They decided if the serfs were gonna starve that winter or not.
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That's an entirely separate question. It's comparing "I want something but I can't afford it" to "A bunch of rich people are conspiring not to let me have it, even though I can afford it."
not to mention this technology is pure speculation, even if it exists, in the early stages I GUARANTEE you wont be able to afford it. And as I clearly pointed out, even if it gets cheaper by time, it is not something that would be distributed like free milk. Only a minority can be deathless according to limitations on distribution of the resources.
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posted August 01, 2013 08:41 PM |
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mvassilev said:
I'd rather be a medieval peasant than a hunter-gatherer.
Hah, ever heard of wage slavery? You already are a peasant if you are not obscenely rich.
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mvassilev
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posted August 01, 2013 08:49 PM |
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Yes, me sitting here in front of a computer in an air-conditioned house, educated and well-fed, certainly sounds like the experience of a typical peasant.
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artu
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posted August 01, 2013 08:53 PM |
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No, there IS a middle-class but that's kind of off-topic now. Let me ask something else to mvass. Now, you know there already is a way to attempt immortality, something much cheaper than what's been discussed in here and not guaranteed, but it's better than nothing and it's been around for decades. People decapitate and freeze their head. Why don't you think that's more common? Why is it only really rich people like Walt Disney who goes down that road? Do you think, if you wanted to, you could have your head frozen, how much do you think even that costs?
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posted August 01, 2013 08:57 PM |
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mvassilev said:
Yes, me sitting here in front of a computer in an air-conditioned house, educated and well-fed, certainly sounds like the experience of a typical peasant.
Oh please, do come back telling me how you are financially independent and enjoy 1st class medical treatment, financial security and eating high quality foods.
Just because you are part of the "upper" middle class, does not mean that you are less of a wage slave. Do google "wage slave".
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mvassilev
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posted August 01, 2013 09:07 PM |
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artu:
Cryonics is an interesting idea and I know some people who will be doing it, but there's a number of problems with it. One is that it's difficult to freeze the head in such a way that it's not damaged beyond recovery. With current technology, it's not possible to freeze someone's head without damaging it. Another problem is that if I choose a cryonics company now, it may go out of business sometime between my death and the time when technology to attach my head to a functional body may be available. My head may simply be thrown in the garbage when the company goes out of business. Yet another problem is that a society will need to be either very wealthy or very good at educating people, because otherwise the frozen people may stay frozen. Consider what would happen if we found a cache of ten thousand people from 1000 AD cryogenically frozen in a cave somewhere. If we had the technology to revive them fully, how many do you think would be revived? Ten or twenty? Certainly not all ten thousand. Unless people from the past can be provided for at barely any expense, or they can quickly become productive in the future, there's a real risk that people who are cryogenically frozen now will never be revived.
So, while cryonics is interesting, it's not very promising.
Seraphim:
The term "wage slavery" conflates the relatively good experiences of modern workers and the suffering of slaves.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted August 14, 2013 07:04 AM |
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Wage slavery is common in Romania, which is why I'm thinking I should work abroad when the time comes, as much as I love my country, I won't be a slave.
I still mantain that immortality would never become available to the masses, it's just too important for the rulers to let that happen.
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seraphim
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posted August 14, 2013 02:33 PM |
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mvassilev said:
I'd rather be a medieval peasant than a hunter-gatherer.
Well, I would rather be a hunter gatherer than a wage slave or an actual slave to people and their hubris.
Well mvass, go work for a month or so in a sweatshop and live in a shanty town, maybe you will change your mind but I doubt it.
Confident are not you?
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Wage slavery is common in Romania, which is why I'm thinking I should work abroad when the time comes, as much as I love my country, I won't be a slave.
I still mantain that immortality would never become available to the masses, it's just too important for the rulers to let that happen.
Of course it would be available to the masses, unless you pay monthly 499,99 until you die, no refunds!
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Drakon-Deus
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posted August 14, 2013 02:52 PM |
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That maybe, but they would never, ever give it to the masses for free.
I would also rather be a hunter gatherer than a serf. But I do prefer Monarchy to Democracy now that we're at it...
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seraphim
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posted August 14, 2013 03:09 PM |
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Drakon-Deus said:
That maybe, but they would never, ever give it to the masses for free.
Of course, nothing is free(Inside joke, "Nothing is free", as in the word). Since you would be immortal, they would charge you monthly forever, until you get hit by a car.
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I would also rather be a hunter gatherer than a serf. But I do prefer Monarchy to Democracy now that we're at it...
Funny thing, serfdom began to die in europe because of...wait for it...
the black plague. Once nobody was around to enslave people for some land, or no people to get enslaved, the whole thing died away in western europe.
Perhaps we need a zombie apocalpyse to end globalization and misery.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted August 14, 2013 03:12 PM |
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Or World War III, whichever comes first.
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DagothGares
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posted August 14, 2013 03:48 PM |
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Seraphim, there was also the rise of cities and the way it allowed for social mobility.
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GunFred
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posted August 15, 2013 11:24 AM |
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Drakon-Deus said:
Wage slavery is common in Romania, which is why I'm thinking I should work abroad when the time comes, as much as I love my country, I won't be a slave.
Being a slav is not really your choice right? 
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But I do prefer Monarchy to Democracy now that we're at it...
Then let Sweden be your first choice of future residence. We got monarchy, yet more freedom than Romania or 'Murica will ever have and much less wage slavery. We also got the most beautiful flag on earth. 
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seraphim
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posted August 15, 2013 11:37 AM |
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Edited by seraphim at 11:39, 15 Aug 2013.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted August 15, 2013 11:59 AM |
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I was actually thinking of moving to Sweden or the UK after I complete my education. But I think I'll choose Sweden.
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GunFred
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posted August 15, 2013 12:04 PM |
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Good pun lol. 
The Welsh flag is cool but there is too much red. Red is an evil colour for flags.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted August 15, 2013 01:04 PM |
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You mean like this, right gunny?
I agree.
Yellow and blue are great colours for a flag, Sweden knows the score.
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seraphim
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posted August 15, 2013 01:08 PM |
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GunFred said:
Good pun lol.
The Welsh flag is cool but there is too much red. Red is an evil colour for flags.
And evil is cool, thats what most animes, the music industry, politics, and hc have taught me.
We should stop before we incur the wrath of the admins.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted August 15, 2013 03:06 PM |
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Death is nothing. Life is life and it means progress. Dwelling on death won't solve anything.
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GunFred
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posted August 16, 2013 10:05 AM |
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You are probably right Sera, this is getting a bit too off topic and we should probably stop... Oooooor we do whatever we want whenever we want! 
I do not fear the mods, they fear me and I got them around my little finger. And besides, what are they going to do? Remove QP, silence or even ban? They would not dare flex their muscles against me because they know the influense and power I have in HC. 
The only thing they could do to hurt me would be to tell me that my flag preferences are wrong, make fun of me or something else personal like that which would make me sad and submissive.
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Yellow and blue are great colours for a flag, Sweden knows the score.
Finally someone who understand the glory of the blue and yellow flag! 
You should see how fabulous and patriotic I look in my customized armor when I play WotR. I have been called a blue and yellow clown by my team mates but I told them they had no fashion sense at all (which is true).
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