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Celfious
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posted September 15, 2013 10:15 AM |
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Start slow Finish last (the real stone age)
I like innovation and creativity.
But that is only a small part of the reason why this statement stands out to me. It brings a lot to mind. Of course there are several ways to see this quote, one particular hits me on a more intimate level. Sometimes I feel like I have what it takes to be the arrow that makes a the last difference in all this stagnance in this world. I am not talking about destruction of anything.
We have evolved in several ways. There are many things happening in modern times that do fit the definition of evolving. I will just jump out here and say it. Neurological, sentience, the configuration of our brain. Close to all of us have probably heard of unused parts of our minds. The great psychological difference between us and ancestors is the frontal lobe, according to experts and people who believe these experts.
Our brains have these 'sections' because of the same laws that dictate how to fill a glass of water. When someone has an inactive or damaged section of the brain there is a chance that a different area will adopt the functions. However, statistics, experiments, etc, etc, I have never been asked or tested. No one I know has ever been asked or tested. In fact, was it not here that someone filed out an American census with the race "pokemon"? These so called inactive parts of our brains can possibly nearly be capable of anything possible by our minds. We don't know the limits. And this does not mean I suggest how incredible our limits are or aren't.
Let's just say everyone can tilt a glass of water. Everyone can change the glass. The water can fit, in an effective way, in many ways. I am not saying I know how things could become. But I guarantee I have tilted my mind a long time ago, and the habitual activity is not the same like a finger print with any individual. Things are filling in.
What it all comes down to is I am willing to discover something great and sacrifice myself if it was required. Our people of the world who believe we are the most intelligent on this physical existence do in fact prove intellectual dominance from the point of cognitive reasoning, extending to the material and systematic constructs we form (IE: politics, buildings, merchandise, technologies).
I don't expect it to be easy, for you to see what I am talking about, and what I am feeling. Our minds has comfortably adjusted into a fixture. But our minds are so much more powerful than we let ourselves become set in stone. Knowing simply that should show you even an inkling of great differences that could come to an evolution from a mind set in stone.
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Zenofex
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posted September 15, 2013 10:28 AM |
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So... eh... what are you talking about?
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted September 15, 2013 11:12 AM |
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@zeno
lol...
It's not just me, is it. There's sometimes a weird incoherency in things Celfious writes but it doesn't seem like the reason is English not being his mother tongue, actually, I'm guessing it is.
Are you slightly hyperactive or something like that Celfious?
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del_diablo
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posted September 15, 2013 02:19 PM |
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Indeed: What?
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Lexxan
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Unimpressed by your logic
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posted September 15, 2013 04:10 PM |
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ladies and gentlemen: Celfious happened.
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mvassilev
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posted September 15, 2013 06:11 PM |
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I think he's talking about neuroplasticity, but he thinks that means that our brains have potential that has not yet been realized.
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Celfious
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posted September 15, 2013 09:54 PM |
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Edited by Celfious at 22:09, 15 Sep 2013.
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I don't believe what I've said here is incoherent at all.
I have enough confidence in that that I have to questions your abilities to come to relatively simple interpretations. It may not be an intellectual hindrance. My guess is that is not your issue, at least more than contempt or at best patience. I am surprised actually.
We have evolved in many ways and we are as a whole stagnant right now, I believe the next evolution that matters (outside of perhaps the evolution of our technologies) is of the mind. We are superior in many respects as a species on this earth, yet there is no more harmony than disagreement.
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artu
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posted September 15, 2013 10:51 PM |
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Edited by artu at 23:03, 15 Sep 2013.
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Biological evolution dont work that way. Over the 5000 years (just an example) our laws, tools, way of life etc etc.. evolved tremendously but that is not because our brain upgraded in a neurological way. It is because we have the ability to pass our knowledge and experience into future generations and that accumulates. So civilization and education gets more sophisticated and developed. Biological evolution on the other hand, is about adjustment and survival, it is not an upgrading process. For our minds to evolve the way you expect them, there should be causes that wipe foolish people out of the earth (Darwin Awards is the joke version of that concept). Civilization functions the other way around, everybody's chances of survival is broader. And even if that wasnt the case, serious amount of intelligence boost from specie to specie takes at least hundreds of thousands of years and countless generations. You can not "sacrifice yourself" for it.
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Celfious
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posted September 15, 2013 11:28 PM |
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Edited by Celfious at 23:35, 15 Sep 2013.
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Change of thought processing does not have to depend on neurological changes to occur first. This biological aspect has importance but it distracts potential. The possibilities of different results of how this world could be based on our 'dominate' interactions which are dependent on how we think, are technically endless.
We could be walking around on an entirely different way of socialization. Even now there is plenty of cultural diversity to prove this. I guarantee with all this currently existing diversity, that there can be communication systems more efficient in relation to reason and emotional interactions.
Social relations affected by a more advanced thought structural system is just one example. Our minds are great right? I see them set like they are in stone. Since our minds are so great and vast potential is obvious yet so obscure due to these societies very slow and usually irrelevant changes...
Then I call our species mentally stagnant in comparison to our potential.
I have willingness to sacrifice myself in order to initiate change. This doesn't mean I can, or would even have to.
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OhforfSake
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Initiate
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posted September 17, 2013 11:20 PM |
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There are many ways we can improve ourselves, but many paths of mind expanding do usually follow roads of technology appliance.
However as time goes we find better methods for many things.
Say math, while math is a great tool, we do not know if it's the best tool, or even if the tool itself is very "filled", so to say. To expand, imagine if you only had number from 1 - infinity, but all numbers was in an increase of 1, i.e. 1, 2, 3, ...
Now imagine if you add 0 as well as negative numbers, or you allow for fractions, or you allow for any real number. How "filled" it is grows fast, and that's just within math itself. Complex numbers comes next, and following that, I don't know, but why stop at a two-dimensional number system?
Likewise, one can do the same with standards operations such as addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, power, etc.
Addition comes very natural, so does multiplication. Subtraction may as well be very natural, while division is not something one would think up without multiplication. Likewise there can exist many similar operations one wouldn't think up naturally, usually what expands into algorithms.
The same with the power operation, which grows from considering the multiplication as addition and what would multiplication then be? Or its opposite, the root, something one would never think about, if one didn't know about multiplication. Then there's reversing power into expansion and its opposite, logarithm, or the sines, etc.
All these standard functions are defined through a natural way to threat numbers, however there exists functions which acts in a way we've yet not described. This is obvious since not every solution to a given problem is analytical, i.e. it cannot be represented through any number of operations done on any number of usual functions. However the solution obviously exists, even if complex, and one can through numerical work always see how the curve should have looked like, because after all, everything is simply a set of input values and a set of output values, forming a n-dimensional curve. If we made functions and operations so we could draw any possible such curve, everything would have an analytical solution.
But while I could continue on math stuff, I think that's more than enough. Another example is memory, many people can train their memory, improving it, through various techniques. The funny thing is that before you know the technique, your ability to remember might not improve, but once you know how to do that, you can suddenly draw great resources out of your brain, a potential that was always there, but never harvested properly.
That is, we have indeed great potential, and the world around is much slower than we ourselves can draw out said potential, but practice alone does not make the potential come true, quality practice is what is required, and for getting the quality in, knowledge and even tools are required, each accompanying the other, and in the end one might admit that technology and the mind goes hand in hand.
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Celfious
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posted September 26, 2013 06:20 AM |
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Edited by Celfious at 06:30, 26 Sep 2013.
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thoughts words and predescribed concepts and understandings i don't care what anyone says, these all have a way to bind our minds within limits
These limits are and were constructed, accepted, and shared by societies. The sad fact that nearly everyone accepts them like omega law, the truth, and natural law, shows nothing but that we are inhibited, limited, and stagnant. They will stay acceptedly within these boundaries, comfortable and content. Feeble, little do they know they are bound within one of 1000s of variations of chaos (technically infinite varieties).
Bound with in our chaotic structure, it seems so orderly.. Doesn't it?
This stage of humanity is mentally hindered. The acceptance and belief otherwise -(that we are the natural format)- only emphasizes the lack of awareness, of millions of alternate possibilities that could have been, and that we can become, or that we can be all = or nearly limitless.
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master_learn
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posted October 01, 2013 10:30 AM |
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Celfious said:
This stage of humanity is mentally hindered. The acceptance and belief otherwise -(that we are the natural format)- only emphasizes the lack of awareness, of millions of alternate possibilities that could have been, and that we can become, or that we can be all = or nearly limitless.
And if we become limitless,will we stay humans,what do you think?
Celfious,do you see our inhumanity to one another disappear in result of our awareness of these possibilities?
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markkur
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Once upon a time
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posted October 14, 2013 01:47 PM |
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Celfious said:
I like innovation and creativity....We have evolved in several ways. There are many things happening in modern times that do fit the definition of evolving. I will just jump out here and say it. Neurological, sentience, the configuration of our brain. Close to all of us have probably heard of unused parts of our minds.
For me, Evolution becomes real when talking about our minds. That's easily evident (small-scale) within our own life, with first having a brand new brain as a baby and then all the steps in learning and "learning how to learn & unlearn" that evolve to become the person we are today and also impacting, is what our parents were handed-that we pass on as parents...to sideways-eight. What can be naturally elusive is the Quality of thought or where a mind is sitting in the...now; the GIGO paradigm or NOT.
Celfious said:
The great psychological difference between us and ancestors is the frontal lobe, according to experts and people who believe these experts.
I think the biggest difference between us and our ancestors is "exposure". Since thought is also a collective experience (maybe primarily)and much thought is simply based on the thoughts & conclusions that have existed earlier in History. Sort of like, each of the "big questions" i.e. What is Love?" has always been with us in some form and like a ball of clay, each generation since time began continues to pick it up and work at giving form to an answer for the question. I would like to say "refining the answer" but we know from our History, that's not guaranteed true but I think it is usually accurate. (This is the Quality part I mentioned)
Technology and interaction with machines has greatly affected our thoughts. When I was young I never realized Man (in a sense) had decided to "make himself". 
What I mean is this; in your mind, what would naturally follow if I set out to remove activities from your daily routine? like "Washing the dishes" "cooking some food" and "answering the phone? Would not mental stuff follow? like 2+2 = 4, What roads should I drive to go to the movies...What's the fastest way? etc.
So, where minds are headed now...IDK. It seems like we are headed to a time when machines will be to replicate all human activity and may have to...dictate. e.g. I owned a 200SX and a females voice would tell me "Gas is low".
That was years ago and today she might have said "You idiot, how many times do I have to tell you?! This machine requires a common petroleum product to transport the occupant to a intended GPS coordinate, identified as My Job. One more time; you have pressed the TMB-button(Take me to Job) but it is 20 miles from this GPS location and this vehicle can move 15 miles on one gallon of fuel and because this vehicles fuel tank signals "1 gallon remaining"...human will run out of gas 5 miles from the preprogrammed GPS location called Job " 
Celfious said:
I don't expect it to be easy, for you to see what I am talking about, and what I am feeling.
Maybe only a few have evolved in your fashion?
Celfious said:
Our minds has comfortably adjusted into a fixture. But our minds are so much more powerful than we let ourselves become set in stone. Knowing simply that should show you even an inkling of great differences that could come to an evolution from a mind set in stone.
Take no offense; I think you should rework this paragraph for comprehension; not yours ...mine. I think it sounds interesting and want to understand what is...on your mind.<L>
i.e. But our minds are so much more powerful than (when)we let ourselves (our thoughts) become set in stone.
Is that what you meant?
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