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phoenix4ever
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posted December 30, 2019 11:05 AM |
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I think I've finally figured out the worst hero in the game and that (dis)honor goes to none other than Uland.
He starts with Ballistics, which is what I consider THE worst skill in the game, he has Cure specialty, which pretty much does nothing and it does'nt even work on dragons, last but not least he is a Druid, which means that there is a pretty good chance he will end up with some more useless skills.
Sorry Uland, but you suck. 
Honorable mention goes to Serena, I've tried maining her as Tower a few times and she usually learns exactly 0 spells through Eagle Eye. (It does'nt help Tower has so many heroes with Scholar, so they can learn each other spells anyway.)
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 30, 2019 05:03 PM |
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About 10-20 years ago, I rejected bad heroes, I killed (dismissed) the heroes, where were Scholar like Tower, Eagle Eye, Mysticism, etc I played all the best skill. Later on I asked myself, whether the game was meant to be the best skill? Can I win tournament if I choose Tower, for example? So I researched, one good example is Resurrection, TP or WW from scholar, and you can't find/get a Resurrection, TP or WW, when hit. Then Tower's scholar skill help you share Resurrection, TP or WW spell to many heroes  Now I know that Homm has still deep strategy. You will become stronger player. So Castle "can't" learn scholar skill. But balance matter. Castle has shipyard, if scholar gives WW, for example or Tower has more spells in library. You already see! I say that all skills aren't bad, if you want be one. I think Mysticism or Resistance. I know less about Resistance. Again Mysticism can awake live, the best you play my Elite (heroes3 SoD) map from m4h. I teach other Heroes fan. Ok Elite map tell you why. And what? I can play freely, you can't get a enjoyment. It's not Heroes. True! I waited for the best heroes just about 10-20 years ago. Horrid. Inferno needs Tactics, Fire and Morale. So I get a Logistics, Offense, Wisdom and Earth, for example. IDK do you comprehend? The spirit of the game. OP! I get them without problem like some player is Castle, and he/she is waiting scholar. It's impossible. I open fastly from tavern. Now you know Tower's heroes are benefit. Hard isn't existence, Homm is fun game. NWC isn't strong engine like chess. You feel so hard like your life. But you have to change way.
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phoenix4ever
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posted December 30, 2019 05:37 PM |
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As usual I have no idea what you just said Ghost. 
I never said Scholar was a bad skill and none of the two Heroes I mentioned have it, so I don't know why you brought it up. I actually think Scholar is a pretty good skill. (The way I play the game.)
Ballistics and Eagle Eye are not though.
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 30, 2019 05:42 PM |
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Dear phoenix4ever.
I didn't say at you. Now's second time.  I wrote to all reader.
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bloodsucker
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posted December 30, 2019 06:12 PM |
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I think Torosar and Melodia beat Uland, one starts with specialty in a weapon he can't buy on his own town and often comes without, needing skills he doesn't have and hardly will get to make good use it, the other already starts with a skill that makes the spell useless. Ok that specialty in Cure is also useless but the spell itself is the one I most often miss when I don't have Water.
Dear Ghost, is it possible that chinese Google Translator is worst? Cause I've used it often to help me translating streams from TYT to Portuguese and besides minor errors I think one can easily understand the context, while Phoenix is not the only one who never gets what you mean.
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phoenix4ever
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posted December 30, 2019 06:22 PM |
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@Ghost Okay that just proves I had no idea what you just said.
@Bloodsucker Yeah Melodia and Torosar are also pretty bad, so is Astral and Inteus.
Torosar's Tactics is not that bad, you think?, in HotA he also always comes with a Ballista, shame about no Artillery though.
I think Cure is very easy to learn anyway, though I also like the spell in itself, but as a specialty it's useless.
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bloodsucker
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posted December 30, 2019 06:30 PM |
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Tactics is a very good skill, I prefer it to Armorer, for instance, yet it's not vital and with Mysticism means you need 4 skills (T, M, Artillery and Archery) to make good use of him. What is left? Space for Earth, Air, Logistics and Wisdom. Even if Alchemists had Barbarians skill tree it would be a close call.
I don't consider Inteus bad, btw. It's not just that he can be pretty useful with other towns like Inferno or Fortress but that more often then not you will have creatures from banks or other towns in your army, so it doesn't matter that much that some elementals are immune to Bloodlust. Now, maining an elementalist and stick to it, that is what I consider a bad strategic decision.
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Ghost
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posted December 30, 2019 06:40 PM |
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@bloodsucker, phoenix
A very hard English  I always use a verb. Your English is beauty.
Ok I haven't other nor comment.
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phoenix4ever
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posted December 30, 2019 06:47 PM |
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bloodsucker said:
Tactics is a very good skill, I prefer it to Armorer, for instance, yet it's not vital and with Mysticism means you need 4 skills (T, M, Artillery and Archery) to make good use of him. What is left? Space for Earth, Air, Logistics and Wisdom.
This is actually one of the reasons I would prefer a max. of 10 skills per hero. Cause exactly as you said some heroes "don't have room" for an optimal build. The build you mentioned, is perhaps Torosar's most ideal build, but he would still miss out on Offense and Armorer, which is not good.
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bloodsucker
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posted December 30, 2019 06:50 PM |
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Ghost said:
Your English is beauty.
That's not the general opinion. (Not even mine...)
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Drakon-Deus
Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 30, 2019 06:57 PM |
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I always thought First Aid specialists are the worst. Which is sad because the skill idea isn't bad. Same with Learning or even Eagle Eye.
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phoenix4ever
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posted December 30, 2019 07:04 PM |
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I've had Gem or Verdish save a Gold Dragon or Chaos Hydra once in a while, but they are not very good either. There are many problems with First Aid, it's hard to get a tent, the tent is destroyed extremely easy, it only heals, not resurrects and only few HP on a single unit. Yeah it's also pathetic really.
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bloodsucker
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posted December 30, 2019 07:47 PM |
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I guess this thread's title is misleading. It is impossible to decide what is "the worst hero by far" because the ones that are only useful for exploration and picking resources are way too many.
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Reinc
Tavern Dweller
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posted December 31, 2019 05:22 AM |
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Straker with his Zombie specialty is the worst. Zombies are way too slow to be taken into combat, and way to slow on the battlefield to serve as anything but a temporary meatshield, and even then they are outshined by Dwarves.
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Orc
Famous Hero
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posted December 31, 2019 05:23 PM |
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phoenix4ever said:
I think I've finally figured out the worst hero in the game and that (dis)honor goes to none other than Uland.
He starts with Ballistics, which is what I consider THE worst skill in the game, he has Cure specialty, which pretty much does nothing and it does'nt even work on dragons, last but not least he is a Druid, which means that there is a pretty good chance he will end up with some more useless skills.
Sorry Uland, but you suck.
Honorable mention goes to Serena, I've tried maining her as Tower a few times and she usually learns exactly 0 spells through Eagle Eye. (It does'nt help Tower has so many heroes with Scholar, so they can learn each other spells anyway.)
First of all, Uland is gud becuz he starts with 3 SS, not 2 like most other heroes. also, Ballistics is great for rush and early game seige attacks. while late game you might substitute it for Water Magic teleport, you wont be able in early and mid game.
Fortress heroes particulalry benefit a lot from Ballistics since they have deadly slow units. sure id take water teleport anyday instead but thats not always possible.
if anyone is usless hero, its the Tower scout.
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gatecrasher
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posted January 01, 2020 01:18 AM |
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phoenix4ever said:
I think I've finally figured out the worst hero in the game and that (dis)honor goes to none other than Uland.
He starts with Ballistics, which is what I consider THE worst skill in the game, he has Cure specialty, which pretty much does nothing and it does'nt even work on dragons, last but not least he is a Druid, which means that there is a pretty good chance he will end up with some more useless skills.
Sorry Uland, but you suck.
Honorable mention goes to Serena, I've tried maining her as Tower a few times and she usually learns exactly 0 spells through Eagle Eye. (It does'nt help Tower has so many heroes with Scholar, so they can learn each other spells anyway.)
Ballistics is a useful skill in siege fights without flyers and no way worse than Learning, Eagle Eye, Sorcery, Mysticism, First Aid.
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gatecrasher
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posted January 01, 2020 01:21 AM |
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phoenix4ever said:
bloodsucker said:
This is actually one of the reasons I would prefer a max. of 10 skills per hero. Cause exactly as you said some heroes "don't have room" for an optimal build. The build you mentioned, is perhaps Torosar's most ideal build, but he would still miss out on Offense and Armorer, which is not good.
The game is not designed in a way you can be sure get your optimal build.
On purpose.
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bloodsucker
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posted January 01, 2020 02:51 AM |
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Orc said:
if anyone is usless hero, its the Tower scout.
Nah! Piquedram is quite useful, as a scout. It immediately starts with speed 8 and you don't always have Miriam or Beatrice at dispose.
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Orc
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posted January 01, 2020 05:38 AM |
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Edited by Orc at 05:45, 01 Jan 2020.
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bloodsucker said:
Orc said:
if anyone is usless hero, its the Tower scout.
Nah! Piquedram is quite useful, as a scout. It immediately starts with speed 8 and you don't always have Miriam or Beatrice at dispose.
ah, in my mind I only thought about my main hero. but you are right, many heroes are good scouts. this guy, miri and beatrice, but also the 350 and +1's
in that case I will settle for zombie specialist then. he is worst main and worst scout too.
Edit: wait, even he start with necromancy and can learn it.
I can agree he is worst for necro but he cant be worst across all towns.
one campaign I got him and so I used him to raise skellis. is getting necro hero for non necro towns generally viable?
anyway, im back to my pos. it has to be pique. He wouldnt be a scout if he wasnt useless. he is the only hero that start with 2 snowty SS's. most other heroes who start with mysticism at least have a second decent one. a one that benefit combat.
remember, this thread isnt talking about specialty, its takling about the hero as whole, which kinda complicate the answer.
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Casper96
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posted January 02, 2020 03:57 PM |
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Orc said:
bloodsucker said:
Orc said:
if anyone is usless hero, its the Tower scout.
one campaign I got him and so I used him to raise skellis. is getting necro hero for non necro towns generally viable?
Works very well. The only negative is dealing with tons of negative morale, which should make you prioritize finding/buying morale artifacts.
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