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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted August 14, 2017 07:32 AM |
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Defile is really good! It is really annoying. I don't think Warlock is that bad. The warlocks I have faced have been pretty solid. Control warlocks.
What I do hate about new warlock is the worst card ever: Howlfiend. I am currently playing evovle shaman. Yay! I evovled one of the cards into a howlfiend and well the opponent said: "Thank you. Well played. Wow." Next turn he just emptied my hand..
What a horrible card!
About Jaina. I do not find her that good? I have not met an elemental mage that beat me.
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted August 14, 2017 09:21 AM |
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I guess the problem with Jaina at the moment is that people are veery greedy with their decks still What ultimately seems to happen that you simply run out of threats. She looks the most fun still so I'm probably crafting her at some point.
For now I'd say you can't go too wrong with Druid, Paladin, Priest, Warlock, Shaman or Mage. (almost in that order imho ). Warrior is always good so I'm not gonna even mention it lol, even with a bit crappier DK they still manage fine.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 14, 2017 10:31 AM |
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Edited by blob2 at 10:39, 14 Aug 2017.
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@veco
I don't think Mage DK is like a finisher. She's rather a sustain play, if you survive until next turn, you will outheal your enemy. What I like about her is how well she synergizes with Elementals and I'm a fan of the tribe I did read she's really hard to beat, and most 'unbalanced' DK. But people like to overreact. I'm really close to crafting her though as she will fit in my Elemental and Dragon (& Elemental hybrid?) Mage decks.
@emil
Yeah, Howlfiend is a bad card. It's supposed to be working with Discard decks but those didn't get enough tools. Again. I would like to compare it to Fel Reaver as a "card with backslash that can be played around to your favor", but Howlfiend does not have such good stats to justify the risk. I remember playing a lot of 'Silence Druid' back in the day and playing Fel Reaver immidiately with Silence effect (pre-nerf Owl for instance) was a great tempo swing.
@minion
I think that your listed DK are safe crafts, but I'll go for the classes I'm most focused on now: Priest and Mage. Druid DK is interesting as a versatile card that can be put into any Druid deck, but at this point I don't play Druid that much. I think Warrior DK will be the black horse of the expansion when people start to realize it's power. There are a lot of good cards that synergize with Enrage/self-damage effects. Atm people went for the decks popularized by streamers, but when they shift to Warrior it will be massive I think. The snowball effects and synergies are plenty for this effect to work out.
BTW I played with Benedictus a bit and while I think it's the perfect card for mirror matches (getting two Renos or N'Zoth, yikes!) and might be played in the future in fatigue decks, as a 'versatile L to put into any deck' it does not work I think, cause if aggro decks will be plenty, you rather draw a Reno then a Southsea Deckhand. His intro effect is quite cool though.
I also found some fun decks for Valeera the Hollow: Mill and Arcane Giant variants. I still think she's the least impactful DK, but at least it'll entartain me a bit. I really hope she turns out like Yogg, a card that I initially criticized, but came to really like at the end.
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted August 14, 2017 10:52 AM |
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Edited by emilsn91 at 11:13, 14 Aug 2017.
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Druid DK is atm the best DK imo. He is so versatile. Just well balanced.
Just saw a Trump video where he played against a valeera-jade-rogue. That deck got pretty nasty, and had it been against a control deck it would have a beast.
Just saw that DK-Jaina gives Barongeddon lifesteal.. That is a lot of health you can gain from that dude.
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veco
Legendary Hero
who am I?
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posted August 14, 2017 03:37 PM |
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emilsn91 said: Just saw that DK-Jaina gives Barongeddon lifesteal.. That is a lot of health you can gain from that dude.
And then you discover it also works with Anomalus
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none of my business.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 14, 2017 04:48 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 16:49, 14 Aug 2017.
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veco said:
emilsn91 said: Just saw that DK-Jaina gives Barongeddon lifesteal.. That is a lot of health you can gain from that dude.
And then you discover it also works with Anomalus
Another reason to craft her. Anomalus has been sitting on my bench almost since I got him from a pack. Don't have Geddon though...
Here's a deck I've been playing recently:
### DK Miracle Rogue
# Class: Rogue
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Mammoth
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# 2x (0) Backstab
# 2x (0) Counterfeit Coin
# 1x (0) Preparation
# 1x (1) Hallucination
# 1x (1) Patches the Pirate
# 2x (1) Swashburglar
# 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# 2x (2) Eviscerate
# 2x (2) Razorpetal Lasher
# 2x (2) Sap
# 2x (2) Undercity Huckster
# 1x (3) Edwin VanCleef
# 2x (3) Fan of Knives
# 2x (3) Shadow Strike
# 1x (4) Xaril, Poisoned Mind
# 1x (5) Vilespine Slayer
# 2x (6) Gadgetzan Auctioneer
# 1x (9) Valeera the Hollow
# 2x (12) Arcane Giant
#
AAECAaIHCLIC7QWGCYOsApG8AoHCApvIAoDTAgu0Ac0DmwWIB6QHsq0C8rACgrQCkrYC9bsC+MECAA==
#
Tons of fun (I never thought I say something like this about Miracle Rouge), and Valeera the Hollow, aside from the obvious Arcane Giant (damn this card is so good in Rouge) or Edwin play, which are winning conditions, can save you some games on her own with duplicated Eviscerate and such. I based the deck on something I found on forums, but changed it according to the cards I have. I would probably run another Preperation if I had one. I would also run a second Vilespine Slayer if I had it.
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markmasters
Famous Hero
Dragon of justice
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posted August 15, 2017 12:08 AM |
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I guess this always happens with a new expansion but...I;m having such a blast! I love the DK's (although some seem really bad, quite a few are good).
I'm playing a on turn kill Paladin combining auctionmaster beardo + burgly bully for coins to summon the 4 horseman in a single turn, never had so much fun with a deck
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 15, 2017 01:33 AM |
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Edited by blob2 at 23:08, 15 Aug 2017.
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markmasters said: I'm playing a on turn kill Paladin combining auctionmaster beardo + burgly bully for coins to summon the 4 horseman in a single turn, never had so much fun with a deck
The idea is fun, but I don't have Beardo nor I have Bully so that's a no go for me.
I wanna try some more DK's but I simply can decide which one to craft, and the weak pack openings aren't helping either :/
EDIT: Maybe it's better to craft Ultimate Infestation instead? Such an OP card...
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted August 15, 2017 11:19 PM |
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I got one Ultimate Infestation from a pack but I can't stand Druid atm. I am however thinking of crafting Skulking Geist but people are saying it is not enough to counter Druid :S So I don't wanna waste my dust... any idea if that card is good enough?
Also I don't have any Dead Man's Hands so making a control Warrior with the DK seems hard :S need a good deck without them..
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 16, 2017 12:12 AM |
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Edited by blob2 at 00:20, 16 Aug 2017.
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Well, I have the same problem with Druid atm. I rarely play this class, mostly my Ramp Druid, usually when doing dailies. I think Ultimate Infestation would fit there quite nicely.
Currently I see that Jade and UI are the 'talk of the town': people are salty and say Jade Druid is all over the place and new cards only made it stronger. I don't meet that many, maybe it's different on Ladder in the higher ranks? That said I never found Jade Druid stronger (or let's say "more irritating") then Pirate Warrior is. But maybe that's me?
Dead Man's Hand hmm? I did get it from a pack, I've seen some posts that it's very good in Control Warrior. I prolly should dust off this class, I didn't play it that much recently. I would love to try some kind of Enrage deck, but I need more cards for this...
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted August 16, 2017 12:31 AM |
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Just got a Black Knight from a pack! Talk about a timing, now when that card is actually viable because of everyone running Lich King! And Primordial Drake. And Obsidian Statue. Way more good targets than before. Yayyy!
As for Jade - it just happens to counter the new decks that everyone wants to play right now, kinda ruining the new expansion feeling... So I have no sympathy for Jade right now although I definitely hate Pirate Warrior more than anything else
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted August 16, 2017 08:32 AM |
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I see quite a few jade druids. They are pretty annoying because imo they are pretty strong. At least at my rank (15-12ish).
But token druid is also on the rise with the new expansion making it stronger and more fresh.
Pirate warrior is still out there and I hope they stop soon. I hate it. I hate it so much.
Do you guys know how many sets are rotating out next year?
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted August 16, 2017 09:17 AM |
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Three old sets rotate out when the first 2018 expansion goes live, Whispers of the Old Gods, One Night in Karazhan and Mean Streets of Gadgetzan.
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted August 16, 2017 09:06 PM |
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Minion said: Three old sets rotate out when the first 2018 expansion goes live, Whispers of the Old Gods, One Night in Karazhan and Mean Streets of Gadgetzan.
Was worried that other decks were rotating out. Phew!
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markmasters
Famous Hero
Dragon of justice
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posted August 16, 2017 09:18 PM |
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Skulking geist is a premium counter against jade druid if that ruins your day, byebye idols
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 16, 2017 10:28 PM |
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markmasters said: Skulking geist is a premium counter against jade druid if that ruins your day, byebye idols
Actually it's a semi-counter I hear. JD can still spam a lot of Jades with other cards (enough to outvalue the opponent), plus he got Ultimate Infestation. Well at least it is something, as it won't give them a chance to drag the game infinately...
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted August 16, 2017 10:57 PM |
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It is a semi-counter. It wins you those very drawn out games where you near the end of your decks, but often Druid ramps to 10 so fast with Wild Growth, Jade Blossom and Nourish!!! 6/30 of their cards is ramp and Ultimate Infestation draws the rest of the deck so it is gg.
Well it doesn't work always but it is strong. And when it works Skulking Geist is not nearly enough. I'm still liking the expansion but people are turning heavily to aggro. I hope it is just a phase, meta is trying to find itself. It has been Aggro Paladin, Pirate Warrior and Jade Druid all day today.
I don't have good decks to counter them :S
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 16, 2017 11:30 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 23:33, 16 Aug 2017.
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Well that's the nature of this game. A few cheap high attack minions + weapons dealing 10 dmg per turn, on turn 4-5 will always be more effective then a late game 8 atk minion. This is how it works. Sometimes when we fool around while playing with my friend I can see that an 'untroubled' zoodeck destroys a player under 5 turns. The snowball effect is just too big. Of course in normal games the same happens when a Priest doesn't draw removals, AoE.
Aggro decks are: more effective, cheaper and easier to handle. That's why those are popular. And people are taking the chance to get easy wins while many people are still experimenting. Well, I don't of course deny the whole control aspect and possibilities in this game. It's just simple observation, and nothing new I guess...
BTW Minion what can you tell me about Shadowreaper Anduin. Should I craft him?
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted August 17, 2017 12:03 AM |
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I absolutely love Shadowreaper Anduin. The problem with Priest has been that it can not close games. Now you can, I have done some nearly 20 damage turns But you need Raza the Chained, that is the only way it works. 2 mana for 2 damage x times is just not good enough. But 2 damage for 0 mana for x times is insanity IIRC you have Raza so I can recommend Anduin totally.
Another good thing is that you can make Dragon-DK-Anduin, N'Zoth-DK-Anduin or "Big-Priest",(which has Benedictus)--- and they all work. I had a mirror match with another Dragon-DK-Anduin and his deck had over 10 different cards than I did. That is just awesome, we built the same deck so differently. I love it.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 17, 2017 12:23 AM |
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Edited by blob2 at 00:48, 17 Aug 2017.
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I probably will. I do enjoy playing Priest atm. N'Zoth Kazakus is already strong without him and it will be stronger with him. I do have Raza. I also play Dragon Priest so...
The only thing that's holding me is that I'm not such a big fan of Priest, but guess this will change soon
At this point it's probably the only 'sure' DK for me. I need a lot more cards for other DK's and I'm still not that sure about Jaina DK...
EDIT: For better or worse, I crafted him
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