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emilsn91
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posted June 10, 2016 10:08 PM |
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Edited by emilsn91 at 23:30, 10 Jun 2016.
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It might turn out to be Yogg.
Ragnaros "lite" as you call him is in my eyes not the best legendary no, but I see potential. 
On all those dragons:
Deathwing 2.0 needs those other dragons, and I dont have a lot of dragons.. I only have.. the none-legendary ones. I have Nefarian and that is it.
Ysera I like, but imo she has lost a lot of her potential since the last few expansion.. sadly.
Antonidas: I like him, but I have lived without him for quite some time now. Freeze and reno mages can live without him. And if I craft Yogg instead I have my legendary for my mages (and other decks).
Leeroy - Is he worth crafting? There are other finisher/push cards.
Grr.. I dont know..
EDIT: Should I DE the following:
Trade Prince Gallywix
Mimirons head
Bolf Ramshield
Illidan
Skycap Kragg
If I did I would have tons of dust..
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted June 11, 2016 09:40 AM |
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emilsn91 said:
EDIT: Should I DE the following:
Trade Prince Gallywix
Mimirons head
Bolf Ramshield
Illidan
Skycap Kragg
If I did I would have tons of dust..
NO. Those are not popular but are far from being trash tier. Each of those are Legendaries I don't have and I would definately try each one of them in a deck. And why do you wanna DE Skycap if you have Greenskin and want to try Pirate decks? Hold you're horses @emil, it's not worth it 
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted June 11, 2016 10:18 AM |
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You probably didnt know this, but I have no patience
I just want some legendaries. And just to be clear I would never DE Illidan.. He might avenge himself in some evil way.. I am scared of that dude.
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted June 11, 2016 11:21 AM |
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I have to disagree, Mimirons Head is just bad and so is Skycap Kragg, I would probably just DE them. Because while it is nice to own them, if I don't play with them I'd rather change them into something I actually use. I am not a collector in that sense Oh and Bolf would go too Illidan is cool so not him and Trade Prince is actually pretty good.
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Abaddon
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 11, 2016 11:31 AM |
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Yogg and Rag are likely both the most useful and powerful cards you could craft given your current situation.
Ragnaros the Lightlord isn't only viable in N'Zoth decks, he is just an all around powerful lategame drop that probably any except the most aggresive Paladin variants should opt to play. If you get to drop him vs aggro you have basically stabilized in 8/10 cases (assuming you can make sure to get the heal to go on you, which hasn't proven too difficult to do) and vs Control the healing becomes very relevant in the super late game (on top of him being a great body). You never feel bad playing him and are almost never unhappy about drawing him if you play a lot of Paladin you will absolutely not regret crafting him.
All the Dragons you listed have the same problem, either they are very slow/too slow for the meta or they require build around decks. You say you dont like warrior which is arguably the best class at making the game go long and giving you a good chance to get value out of your 9/10 drops.And if you can't stall reliably they are just gonna be dead cards most of the time 
If it had to be one of those I'd recommend Ysera mostly because while being too slow she always becomes a great win condition for any control deck once the meta slows down.
Archmage is less "everyday" use than you think. I've played him both in freeze mage and in tempo mage and most of the time he is too slow. Don't get me wrong he is obviously super powerful and it feels aweful to lose to a tony you have no answer for but it's not something I would recommend a player with a small collection to craft unless you love playing mage.
Twin Emperor is the business if you want to play C'Thun since they are one of your big pay off cards, so if you want to play C'Thun decks you'll want to have them absolutely no questions asked. I find C'Thun decks to be very boring tho in most cases so I wouldn't recommend them too highly (except C'Thun warrior but I love CW in general and you don't so there you go...)
Justicar Trueheart is absolutely amazing. But you need to play her in specific decks to make upside work out for you which usually ends up being a control shell (Warrior/Priest/Paladin) but she can do well in midrange Paladin too (Priest too, depending on your definition of midrange) but yeah if those are decks you are actively playing go for it.
Leeroy is not something I would recommend to someone that has a narrow card pool simply because he is such a specific card. He is a finisher in Warlock and Rogue decks (eventhough most miracle variants don't even run him anymore) but outside of renowarlocks 20 damage burst finish you don't have to run him at all in any other deck without having perfectly fine replacements for him.
And going as far as you asking to dust these:
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Trade Prince Gallywix
Mimirons head
Bolf Ramshield
Illidan
Skycap Kragg
Please dust them.
You have a small collection of cards and no prospect of reliably growing your card collection (getting 800 dust as a end of season reward reliably, going infinite in arena or spending a lot of money on packs) which makes these legendaries even worse, mostly because they are either very niche (Kragg and Mimiron) or straight up aweful (Bolf, Mimiron, Illidan and Gallywix more often than you'd think). You see the problem?
In order to make suboptimal cards work you need to have a very good collection in order to even be able to enable them to not suck as much as they do so instead of sitting on these random legendaries in the hopes of one day having a big collection and having fun with them at a very distant, unspecified point in the future, just dust them in order to make cards you actually want to play in the present. You'll have a lot more fun with cool legendaries you want to play than any amount of very theoretical grief you could potentially have over dusting these.
Oh and if you wanna keep Illidan because you think he's a badass that is a perfectly fine reason to keep him.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted June 11, 2016 12:09 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 12:14, 11 Jun 2016.
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Abaddon said:
Ragnaros the Lightlord isn't only viable in N'Zoth decks, he is just an all around powerful lategame drop that probably any except the most aggresive Paladin variants should opt to play. (...) You never feel bad playing him and are almost never unhappy about drawing him if you play a lot of Paladin you will absolutely not regret crafting him.
He seems strong. But I wonder why I don't see him anywhere actually (I've seen him literally once in a Healadin)? Maybe his more popular closer to Legend on Ladder. I would definately try to experiment with him in any Paladin deck...
Abaddon said:
All the Dragons you listed have the same problem, either they are very slow/too slow for the meta or they require build around decks. You say you dont like warrior which is arguably the best class at making the game go long and giving you a good chance to get value out of your 9/10 drops.
Yeah. That's mainly their problem. Aside from some build around decks and solids like Ysera Dragons are still not that good outside of Dragon decks. And from my personal expierience Warrior is actually the go to class for Dragons nowadays...
Abaddon said:
Archmage is less "everyday" use than you think. I've played him both in freeze mage and in tempo mage and most of the time he is too slow.
Yeah, back when mech decks were very popular his won me a ton of games. But now he does seem to be a bit too slow. Maybe because Mage seems to got more faster/tempoish again? Class Legendaries are always tricky to craft... but I still think his a safe bet.
Abaddon said:
Justicar Trueheart is absolutely amazing. (...) but she can do well in midrange Paladin too (Priest too, depending on your definition of midrange)
She's good in Paladin? I remember seeing her some time ago in few Paladin decks but I wouldn't say she's optimal in mid-range. More like in specific decks like token-decks where she can grant you additional steam with tokens while your hand is getting empty. Hmm...
Abaddon said:
Please dust them.
You have a small collection of cards and no prospect of reliably growing your card collection (...)
In order to make suboptimal cards work you need to have a very good collection in order to even be able to enable them to not suck as much as they do so instead of sitting on these random legendaries in the hopes of one day having a big collection and having fun with them at a very distant, unspecified point in the future, just dust them in order to make cards you actually want to play in the present.
That is also a good point of view. I'm a collector, but I have this luxury of having almost every card that is viable in todays meta so I can keep those "maybe in the future?" Legendaries. But the truth is those cards will probably never see play, only in a spur of the moment maybe. You should probably listen to Abaddon, in your situation it's better to have a solid collection then a gimmicky one... it's just that I always cry when I'm dusting a card
Again, craft that Yogg 
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Abaddon
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 11, 2016 12:32 PM |
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Edited by Abaddon at 12:36, 11 Jun 2016.
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He seems strong. But I wonder why I don't see him anywhere actually (I've seen him literally once in a Healadin)? Maybe his more popular closer to Legend on Ladder. I would definately try to experiment with him in any Paladin deck...
Well, I don't think it has as much to do with ladder placement it is simply that there are few Paladins on ladder. Kinda need to see Paladins in order to come across a Paladin only legendary.
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Yeah, back when mech decks were very popular his won me a ton of games. But now he does seem to be a bit too slow. Maybe because Mage seems to got more faster/tempoish again? Class Legendaries are always tricky to craft... but I still think his a safe bet.
He is different in Mechmage because you would usually push hard early for damage and then run out of steam and need a last push of damage to finish the opponent off after they stabilized the board and you sit there with close to no hand. Spareparts were instant pay offs that could usually atleast get you 2 fireballs. They require no set up (unlike the freeze mage Tony turns) since you get them naturally over the course of the game and being 1 mana was perfect for Tony. In tempo mage his place has been taken by Yogg since you can only run so many lategame drops in a tempo deck.
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You should probably listen to Abaddon
I agree.
And yeah Yogg is pretty great. But you kinda need a deck where you can put him. So unless you like playing Rogue or Mage think about it. Or that crazy Jackie Druid list.
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted June 11, 2016 05:38 PM |
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I totally get Abaddons point. I do need that solid roster of Legendaries before I keep my more wacky legendaries. The issue is that I like Blob is a collector. DE'ing a Legendary hurts in my soul...
But I do think that DE'ing maybe Mimimor or Bolf is a good idea, because they are imo useless (or Mimiron is too situational).
I think I will be going for Yogg and then Ragnaros next (unless something changes)
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sphere
Supreme Hero
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posted June 12, 2016 04:34 PM |
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Very well argued, Abaddon
@Emil you could also look in to DE some wild format only cards ....
But again, if you like playing wild decks, then that isn't an option of course
Got myself a Twin the other day so yeah for that ....
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted June 12, 2016 07:25 PM |
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Sphere - I have listed a few wild cards (Mimirons head, Galliwyx) and I will be DE'ing one or two legendaries. Because Abbaddon has some good points.
Or simply DE my two Ancient Bloods? Who even uses those!
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted June 12, 2016 10:29 PM |
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emilsn91 said:
Or simply DE my two Ancient Bloods? Who even uses those!
Haha, you have two? Did someone even try to build a deck around them? Oh wait I fought a guy not long after WotOG release who even managed to summon the Ancient One.
Sheesh there are so many cards that won't ever see play in this game... Faceless Behemoth, Eldritch Horror, Cyclopean Horror or Darkspeaker for instance, did you guys see even one of those outside Arena? I really hoped Wild would be more open to those less popular cards but at the end of the day people choose quality over experiments. Of course it's not surprising, but a shame really...
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted June 13, 2016 10:22 AM |
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blob2 said:
emilsn91 said:
Or simply DE my two Ancient Bloods? Who even uses those!
Haha, you have two? Did someone even try to build a deck around them? Oh wait I fought a guy not long after WotOG release who even managed to summon the Ancient One.
Sheesh there are so many cards that won't ever see play in this game... Faceless Behemoth, Eldritch Horror, Cyclopean Horror or Darkspeaker for instance, did you guys see even one of those outside Arena? I really hoped Wild would be more open to those less popular cards but at the end of the day people choose quality over experiments. Of course it's not surprising, but a shame really...
In total I have opened 4 Ancient Bloods.. True story.
And no I have never seen Faceless Behemoth, Eldritch horror or Cyclopean Horror or darkspeaker. To be honest I thought that Cyclopean horror would see play it was made for anti-zoo, but I dont see it. And you dont see it in competive or high-ranked play..
And well, wild and standard didn't have the impact I first thought it would have. Sadly.
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted June 13, 2016 11:06 AM |
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Vanilla minions that are big and are of "common"-rarity like Faceless Behemoth and Eldritch Horror are meant for new players. Anyone who has played a while will have gotten most likely something better already, but one has to start somewhere. Blizzard is always mindful of new players, which I think is fine. Also in Arena those cards do see play.
Cyclopian Horror can be used in Renolock, but it hasn't seen much play. It is actually good if you face 80% Zoo or something (here is to hoping that never happens though ). In that sense it is like Eater of Secrets - you mostly use it to counter something specific.
Darkspeaker hasn't been seen anywhere. Stats are too bad for it to see play although I like the unique effect.
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markmasters
Famous Hero
Dragon of justice
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posted June 13, 2016 11:42 AM |
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I used darkspeaker before I had faceless shambler, You would power overwhelm a mediocre creature from 3/3 to 7/7 and then swap it for a 5 mana 7/7.
However, faceless shambler provides you with a 7/7 taunt for 4 mana....so yeah
It is safe to DE blood of the ancient one unless you wanna try to run a gimmicky deck just to pull it off once (I see some potential in resurection priest or something).
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted June 13, 2016 12:21 PM |
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markmasters said:
I used darkspeaker before I had faceless shambler, You would power overwhelm a mediocre creature from 3/3 to 7/7 and then swap it for a 5 mana 7/7.
Cool, but Void Terror would have done it better. 3 mana for a 10/10
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markmasters
Famous Hero
Dragon of justice
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posted June 13, 2016 12:32 PM |
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I did run a single copy of both as it was a reno warlock
But i removed both for the faceless shambler, it can also be used to copy things like mountain giant for a double 8/8 for 8 mana
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted June 13, 2016 06:05 PM |
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Minion said:
Cool, but Void Terror would have done it better. 3 mana for a 10/10
Well ok, but Faceless Shambler has Taunt. Isn't that an important factor for Renolock?
I generally know the basic story behind these cards: people who got them in packs try them for some time and drop them cause there are better choices, and the rest won't specifically craft them, so they're simply less common. Or maybe as you guys say, some newer users might pick them but I think those guys generally stick to popular budget decks like Zoo Warlock etc...
BTW I've got Giant Sand Worm in a pack, better known as 'if-control-Hunter-will-be-a-thing' Epic. I'm thinking of making a Beast deck with Thundra Rhinos and King Krush just for laughs cause I know this deck won't proably be effective Has anyone tried this creature in a deck? I remember one fellow getting him from Unstable Portal. He then used Frost Nova on my board full of smaller minions and had a crazy run with it clearing them all So using it with Charge as a semi board clear might be fun
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted June 13, 2016 06:27 PM |
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My new legendary
So I have been talking about crafting a new Legendary, and well, I guess talking about legendaries is the way to get them?
I give you ! MUKLA THE TYRANT OF THE VALE!!!
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted June 13, 2016 06:40 PM |
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Oh yes, I was only comparing Void Terror to Darkspeaker. Void Terror is simply superior, but like you said it is best to try new cards first to see how they work. Darkspeaker was just bad, sadly
Shambler is indeed superior to both in Renolock because it has Taunt and it works in situations where your other minion is not about to die, so it is more versatile. On an empty board it is worse tho But that you should be able to play around, lol.
I tried Giant Sandworm I got him two times on board, and both times I had leathal on board so it just went to face... Sadly I don't have Bestial Wrath so I couldn't even try that sweet immune combo of board clear + 10 damage to face! I bet it is pretty hard to pull off, but you could try it 
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted June 13, 2016 07:34 PM |
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Minion said:
I tried Giant Sandworm I got him two times on board, and both times I had leathal on board so it just went to face... Sadly I don't have Bestial Wrath so I couldn't even try that sweet immune combo of board clear + 10 damage to face! I bet it is pretty hard to pull off, but you could try it
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Oh I faced that dumb sandworm today in Wild. It was powerful. But he had the board and I had no answer.
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