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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 14, 2016 11:34 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 01:17, 15 Aug 2016.
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I urge you to try new cards @emil, they're fun. As a Hunter player you should experiment with Cloaked Huntress at least...
I've been using Secret Hunter for a bit of laddering with good results, and though hitting rank 15 is not something to brag about (though I think the overall difficulty of ladder did rise a lot recently) for a homebrew deck it works quite well I think. It's a deck built around your standard Hunter cards but with Cloaked Huntress which gives great tempo swings even with one Secret in hand. But the deck strenght might very well lie in the OP-ness of 2xCotW. As a finisher I've added King Krush, he does quite well. Yogg's there for when there are no other options left.
From my perspective the next wing will be the weakest of them all. Barnes is a no-brainer, but other then that only Onyx Bishop (I want to finally try that Ressurect Priest) and maybe Kindly Grandmother will find their place in my decks...
EDIT: Heroic Chess was really hard. But after a few plays I managed to beat it with good positioning and a string of some luck (AI made a few bad decisions). Although I actually can't recall how I did it, I've owned the AI in such a way that I had a full board while it could only play a Pawn each turn. Very satisfactionary to say the least 
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted August 15, 2016 07:12 PM |
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Been playing around with secret hunter today. Pretty fun. But not as powerful as I thought, but fun indeed.
I beat that dumb Black King! And it was a fantastic Heroic battle, difficult but in a good way.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 15, 2016 08:07 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 20:13, 15 Aug 2016.
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emilsn91 said:
Been playing around with secret hunter today. Pretty fun. But not as powerful as I thought, but fun indeed.
Yeah, it isn't. It's relatively as powerful as a standard Midrange Hunter I think. You swap some good cards for different good cards, but it's still pretty much based on Hunters must-include cards. It's a bit more tricky cause your opponent does not now what Secrets you played atm though. I'm still thinking about balancing the number of Secrets - how many does this deck actually need and which give the most value. But I personally like this twist to Hunters formula, it's a lot fun to play it.
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted August 15, 2016 09:17 PM |
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You are right on point with finding the balance in the right amount of secrets, and which ones for that matter. I am not sure actually, I like the classics most (explosive and freeze) and bear trap of course. The other ones never really had the same effect imo.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 15, 2016 11:49 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 23:52, 15 Aug 2016.
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Aside from the one you mentioned I'm also using 1xSnipe cause it's good for tempo (can hit Shaman hard ), and Snake Trap, cause it's always useful (though there are a lot of Warriors lately so I must reconsider). So that's 7 secrets in total. I want to try Dart Trap at some point. It seems pretty useless, but might take an opponent by surprise (5 dmg is a lot). I remember playing Misdirection a lot back in the day though I think it won't be useful nowadays, but who knows. If it would only hit your opponents side it would be so much better. And of course there's Cat Trick, I think one will find it's place in this deck. It's too damn cute to resist, meow!
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted August 16, 2016 07:40 AM |
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I have a snipe in the current deck I have now. I took it from hearthpwn, changed a few cards - most importantly I added Yogg  as a little finisher or a rng card. I love him.
But I do not run Dart Trap. It is just not that powerful in the end. 5 dmg is a lot, but I'd rather see freeze trap or Explosive trigger. Snake trap has its uses, I am not the biggest fan of it, but yesterday I comboed it with CotWild and suddenly those 1/1 snakes are pretty useful 
Cat trick is probably one of the more useless traps since it has no immediately effect on the board like all other traps (except Dart Trap).
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 16, 2016 07:37 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 19:54, 16 Aug 2016.
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emilsn91 said:
Cat trick is probably one of the more useless traps since it has no immediately effect on the board like all other traps (except Dart Trap).
Hmm, I wonder about that. There's not a single deck that doesn't run any spells. So Cat Trick will be triggered. Now my main issue with Bear Trap, which is naturally the card that Cat Trick will be mostly compared to, is that most of the time it's easy to work around. When facing Warrior, it'll either be removed with a single Win More Axe hit or Bash for instance (Warrior is the thing nowadays). Sure, Taunt will disperse some damage, but usually it doesn't give you board presence cause it's instantly removed, so it's a waste actually. What I mean is that it's simply easy to deal with.
Now Cat Tricks strenght is that the Panther has Stealth so it won't be removed so easily. That gives you a lot of options. Even for that damn Kill Command! It might actually be more useful in Beast Hunter because of combos. But we will have to see...
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted August 17, 2016 09:41 PM |
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I see your arguments and I acknowledge that you might have a point - I just thought of a Houndmaster buff on a cat in a hat is pretty neat.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 18, 2016 07:18 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 19:20, 18 Aug 2016.
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I don't want to start another rant, but just take a look at this post (the OP one). A good and completely random find I might say, but puts to words exactly what I'm thinking about the state of the game even though I recently play H really casually without any raging whatsoever (though I get slightly ticked off when I face a string of losses with topdecking opponents). But that might be only because I'm concetrated on the Adventure atm.
Putting that aside next wing is incoming. I wonder about the boss battles, they've looked really interesting in the preview video...
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted August 18, 2016 10:41 PM |
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I didn't find his post that salty actually.. But he has some good points, but atm I cannot figure out what the solution is. Because I am fine with netdecking; I do it myself. I suck at creating my own decks.
But I would love to see more people just play around with the netdecks or deck recipes. Remove 1 or 2 cards and add their personal spin on the decks; which I do myself.
I have read so far that the next wing is a little too easy.. But I still love the adventures. I find it quite rewarding to complete heroics.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 19, 2016 11:22 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 23:26, 19 Aug 2016.
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Didn't try Heroic yet but this wing really does feel very easy. The mechanics seem to be even handicapping the player. Oh well.
I did enjoy the Warlock class challange, cause it let me try out Discard Warlock. Seems like a fun archetype(?), I'll definately try it some more when Malchezzar's Imp comes out later...
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted August 20, 2016 09:00 AM |
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I completed the heroics yesterday. A few tries on the wolf, but Crone and Julia was a one shot.. Too easy I guess..
The discard warlock was fun
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 20, 2016 08:13 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 01:02, 21 Aug 2016.
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Not a surprise, but Arcane Giant is OP. Nowadays Yogg decks are quite popular, so he's simply a beast in them. Not that hard to play him on turn 5-6 with my Yogg Druid (works as a Fel Reaver, but without drawbacks). Some players even see him as a 'succesor' to Molten, and as such in Freeze/Echo Mage, maybe Handlock and I've even seen some Blood Warriors concepts...
Barnes is ok-ish. Very good in my Raptor Rouge deck, cause it's almost only Deathrattles, but in other decks he might summon something not worthwile enough to include him (for instance I can't find a place for him in less Drattle heavy N'Zoth decks).
I've tried Ressurect Priest and it's an interesting deck. Onyx Priest is solid, and once you start rolling it's really hard for your opponent to get rid of your minions. Priest of the Feast is also very good in it, and an overall good card. It might just be the healer/control card Priest was looking for. A bit tweaking with early game and Priest might get back on track (which is bad cause I enjoy the fact there are less Priests around ). Too bad with this whole 'Purify' case cause the other two cards are useful additions.
And what the faq? Heroic mode for this wing is not as easy as they've depicted it... I would rather say it has the similiar standards in difficulty as others.
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted August 21, 2016 09:53 PM |
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Edited by emilsn91 at 10:29, 22 Aug 2016.
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I really believed that Priest was not doomed. I really loved Priest of the feast, and I have now seen him in play and he is a pretty solid control card! Onyx Bishop has been a pleasent suprice, so screw Purify and let us hope for some early game cards in next expansion.
The arcane giant is great. I cannot wait to try it.
#EDIT: Praise Yogg!
Battle against Control Warrior. I am fatigued. No more cards. Yogg Gives me Misdirection. Warrior hits his 16/16 C'thun and I burn him to pieces with my Shadow Strike (Yes Yogg gave me two shadow forms ) PRAISE YOGG!
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 22, 2016 08:02 PM |
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That's what's cool about Yogg - he's a lifebuoy used as a last resort in most cases. And he works!
At worse he won't help you, but at least you tried. In most cases he let's you get back into an loosing game (clears board, draws cards etc). At best he singlehandeadly wins you a 'concede' game. From my expierience he helped me in a meaningful way in at least 2/3 of matches in which I played him. That's not RNG, that's math! And to think I was salty when I got him in a pack.
By the way next wing will probably be the best one yet. Beast/Menagerie Druid tier 1, Cat Trick, Nightbane Templar (might not be that good but I like the concept behind her) and maybe Avian Watcher. I'm not a fan of Fool's Bane but it also might change the landscape (it's basically Fiery War Axe on steroids).
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted August 22, 2016 10:54 PM |
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Yogg is by far the best card I have and the card I have enjoyed the most playing.
The next wing will be great. I have some cool expectations for that one as well.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 23, 2016 08:59 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 21:02, 23 Aug 2016.
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Ressurect Priest is a strange deck. It can either be too slow or completely dominate your opponent (that's how Priest works in general I think).
Had this one game against yout standard mid-range Hunter (so quite a strong deck and he played on curve) in which I've played Priest of the Feast as the only minion. After ressurecting him two times, healing up to 20 hp total through the course of the game (courtesy of his ability) my opponent simply rage-conceded cause he simply couldn't put up with this s*it
I'm still deciding if I should include some early game minions or not. Tried Wild Pyromancer, but discarded him after in one game he was ressurected three times in a row (btw I hate this card, opponents always manage to turn the tables with him while I always struggle to utilize him). I'm leaning towards keeping Injured Blademaster as the lowest mana tier minion in this type of deck... it's for the best.
Nevertheless tweaking with this deck is the most fun I had with deck building in a while. I'm trying to compensate the lack of early minions with as much removals as possible (Embrace the Darkenss comes in handy). I also added some late game Rags and Yseras cause it's hilarious when Barnes summons them followed by Ressurection turn 5 (of course it's optimal if the token dies).
Fun times.
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted August 23, 2016 10:23 PM |
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Uh! The Barnes + Ressurect is a nice little hack Good idea!
I have not played any Res. priests yet, actually, but I have seen the decks on Hearthpwn and read a little about them. I do not believe it is the meta-defining deck, but a fun deck now.
But can't we all just agree that Priest of the feast is a meta-defining card for priests and screw Purify. Priest got a card that actually works and can get them back into the meta.
I am currently playing a midrange Paladin with Barnes and shields. works really well. It is so satisfying to play Barnes and get Tirion
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 23, 2016 11:09 PM |
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emilsn91 said:
But can't we all just agree that Priest of the feast is a meta-defining card for priests and screw Purify. Priest got a card that actually works and can get them back into the meta.
Not meta-defining, but great anti aggro tool nevertheless. When I first saw this card I thought that it will be hard to give him enough 'fuel' to trigger his ability and make it count. It turns out that once he gets going he's simply flooding you with health. I once said he has the perfect statline for a 4 mana Priest minion. Turn 4-5 is usually also the last chance for Priest to start healing himself if you want to turn the tide in a match with aggro deck. And he works like a charm. Blizzard did a really good job with this card...
At some point I also need to try Barnes in a some kind of Silence heavy deck (Ressurect is only one way of utilizing his ability). And no, I don't mean Silence/Purify Priest
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted August 24, 2016 08:31 AM |
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I would argue that it is meta-defining, because I believe we will be seeing it for a long time
Barnes is .. situational.. He is a solid 4 mana card, good stats. His effect on the other hand.. If he does not copy one of the good cards (Rags, Tirion, Ysera and the list goes on) he is just useless.. Seeing him copy one of your 1 drops is sad
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