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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted May 29, 2014 09:52 PM |
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Well, sad news is sad. I can't understand Ubi, at all. And I fear that trying to is not worth it, unless I want to dabble in insanity.
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted May 30, 2014 07:09 AM |
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I think RedEmperor said it best and it certainly applies to me - the more I think of it the more pissed off I get.
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DoubleDeck
Promising
Legendary Hero
Look into my eyes...
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posted May 30, 2014 08:09 AM |
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The_Polyglot said:
As I see it, there's one huuuge problem with new factions: they'd need to have just as many cards as the others. As time goes on, this amount only increases.. they'd need to devote a full expansion to 1 faction only, even more so than in VR. Imagine player reactions when their factions get exactly squat... New factions can only happen if Ubi devotes a huge amount of money to DoC, increasing both budget and team size. Read:never.
Yes, this makes sense and is a valid reason.
But why not introduce an expansion with new faction cards only? Like Emp said, Sylvan/Dungeon/Dwarves all already have the base creatures they could use from Heroes games, so wouldn't be that difficult.
Imagine a Thane with chain lightning attack, or a Master Hunter with double attack for shooter, or a Unicorn with blindness strike.....
The thing is though, maybe DoC isn't making that much money, and it's all about money isn't it....gone are the days when games were deep and meaningful and long.
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted May 30, 2014 08:48 AM |
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Gone are the days of might and magic, if they can't pull off a card game with 9 factions, where adding card equals money, what chance is there for a heroes game?
They are not making any money right now, but they have only themselves to blame. Last fall there were 2500 viewers on the stream presenting The five towers, the game was on the rise, then the fiasco came with the servers and the first wave of expense increase; and so I among 2000 others watch Enclase's stream where he endlessly tried to log on into the game for 5 hours but to no avail; that was the major blow to the game; and that's when it started to die off; I mean from a twitch point of view, Hearthstone had at that time 5000-7000 viewers, and when our streamers were on we had like 1500 viewers, which still was a big difference but at still there was involvement; nowadays Hearthstone has 20000 viewers while DoC barely reaches 100 viewers.
The game economic changes were needed to make money I agree, but this should have been done when a lot of players were hooked with the game and they simply went on buying to play; like the store has done in dota2 and heroes of newerth back in the days; but not when the community was reduced too a bare minimum.
Nothing ever stopped them to introduce new factions in earlier expansions when the card count was still manageble but no they got stubborn as usual and like in heroes 6 they did what they wanted and not what the community wants. I mean sure talk with the VIPs, they have some insightful decisions balance wise but 10-20 people cannot speak for a community of thousands. They could have and should have introduced all the factions by now, and the game would have been far fresher and appealing.
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RedEmperor30
Famous Hero
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posted May 30, 2014 10:19 AM |
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Well said watcher... i remember seeing on twitch a 4000 view around VR times - things were good 
do you think - and yes you are allowed throwing big rocks at me - if we were to develop amongst us here - 120 cards [just core idea] for a next faction and send this to the dev's - this would kick start them?!?
from a monetary point of view, it doesnt make sense for them to NOT release a new faction - so i really cannot understand there thinking - unfortunately this would point to one thing for me from a business point of view, that DoC is on the way down internally - a healthy business makes healthy decisions!
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted May 30, 2014 10:34 AM |
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I would gladly embark on such a quest, maybe there won't be the best cards ever balance wise, but that's why they have balance servers + pro players testing; I doubt they would even take a look, but if u guys are up for it and wouldn't get bored I might present a card per day/ several days from the 3 factions not in DoC already just for fun.
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RedEmperor30
Famous Hero
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posted May 30, 2014 10:37 AM |
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watcher83 said:
I would gladly embark on such a quest, maybe there won't be the best cards ever balance wise, but that's why they have balance servers + pro players testing; I doubt they would even take a look, but if u guys are up for it and wouldn't get bored I might present a card per day/ several days from the 3 factions not in DoC already just for fun.
shot i'm in...
Double can you help out here from your stat side - can you create an xl doc for all 1 cost creature cards - with their stats, likewise 2 cost, 3 cost, 4 cost
I think we should also start with a selection of 3 heroes first, ability and school magic?
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted May 30, 2014 11:03 AM |
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Ok, I will do until tomorrow 3 dungeon heroes: the seeker, the champion and the invoker; and maybe this week I will also do the lord/lady, the void corrupted one, the caller, the one that gets a passive effect once his attributes reach a certain level + an eigth random one. Then a mix of creatures, fortunes and buildings in the month to come. I hope I will not bore you guys too much
P.S. - I've been on a lot of forums in my life but this one I really like, it's no coincidence I've been here since 2006.
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RedEmperor30
Famous Hero
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posted May 30, 2014 11:05 AM |
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@watcher great, im also excited!! should we work together on 1 specific faction, DUNGEON first? bounce around ideas about core heroes?
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted May 30, 2014 11:27 AM |
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I think the best way would be when someone comes up with a card idea they should post it, no matter the faction, even if it's the same card as someone has already done it, because out of multiple options we will choose the best one in the end; I mean maybe your card is better than mine, or maybe from both ideas we combine and get a better end result.
EDIT: ok, so I know it's not according to our schedule but I had this idea of a card and I'm gonna post it anyway.
Ritual Pit of the Coven
type: fortune
class: rare
faction: Dungeon
cost: 4 resources
requirements: 3 might, 4 destiny
Description: sacrifice a creature, a chosen blood witch unit* will get its attack increased by the same amount as the cost of the sacrificed creature for this turn.
* blood witches will be a tribe within the Dungeon faction just like warrior is now in Stronghold; as an example among the blood witches tribe is the Blood Fury unit.
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RedEmperor30
Famous Hero
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posted May 30, 2014 01:05 PM |
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for some reference... http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes5/dungeon_creatures.shtml
i like witches as a race within faction ^^
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted May 30, 2014 01:12 PM |
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted May 30, 2014 01:16 PM |
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Anyone in here can Stevie
pls all of you let me know about what u think of my first try
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Stevie
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted May 30, 2014 01:20 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 13:22, 30 May 2014.
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I think it'd be for the best if we focus on one faction at a time. It'll be easier to remember all the ideas.
Also. Wouldn't it be better to make another thread dedicated to this?
I can do it *shy*
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DoubleDeck
Promising
Legendary Hero
Look into my eyes...
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posted May 30, 2014 01:23 PM |
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Guys, this looks cool, but lets start another thread "DoC - wish list future factions" or something and keep this thread for BS2/HoN comments....
EDIT: The other important thing to mention, is if we bring in a new faction, how many cards? The total number of open cards, or the total number of standard cards per faction?
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted May 30, 2014 01:25 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 13:26, 30 May 2014.
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Just decide who should make it. So we won't end up creating multiple.
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted May 30, 2014 01:27 PM |
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DoubleDeck said:
Guys, this looks cool, but lets start another thread "DoC - wish list future factions" or something and keep this thread for BS2/HoN comments....
EDIT: The other important thing to mention, is if we bring in a new faction, how many cards? The total number of open cards, or the total number of standard cards per faction?
My thoughts exactly and since RedEmperor came up with the idea I say he should start the thread.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted May 30, 2014 01:28 PM |
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Agree 
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RedEmperor30
Famous Hero
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posted May 30, 2014 01:38 PM |
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http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=40257
watcher post up your fortune card 
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted May 30, 2014 05:44 PM |
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Ok.. the cup is full.. I can't take it no more.. I'm done with this game until the next patch comes out
The fact that I play 1st 70% of the time may be bad luck
The fact that I seam to get hands full of cards that are useless and I have only 2 copies of in my deck, may be bad luck + bad deck construction.
The fact that my opponent seam to get hands full of cards for their strategy, whyle I'm stuck with the useless hand that I have, may just be the curse of my life
Fact, that in 2 Swisses. I get 2 crashes, Both in 1st duel. with 5+ min to get back into the game with error messages "Network not responding" whyle everybody else gets a free win while I loose tickets is to much.. NO I'M OUT until the next patch
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