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posted June 11, 2014 04:21 AM |
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'Homeless spikes' installed outside of London Flats
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I guess these upscale flats have had homeless people sleeping in the same spot repeatedly, so they installed these metal studs into the concrete in the spot to keep them from sleeping there. It has generated controversy.
I don't like it. What do you guys think?
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posted June 11, 2014 04:56 AM |
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Me neither, but if they're on their property, like, they're allowed to do that. It is kind of douchey, however.
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posted June 11, 2014 04:58 AM |
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I can certainly see the point of it.
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posted June 11, 2014 09:55 AM |
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Thats a rather medieval way of fixing the problem 
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posted June 11, 2014 12:50 PM |
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I can sort of understand not wanting people taking drugs, drinking and pissing on your property.
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posted June 11, 2014 01:00 PM |
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what a great idea.
now they only need to do something about morons who piss inside of elevators.
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posted June 11, 2014 01:12 PM |
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Edited by artu at 13:13, 11 Jun 2014.
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Well, if it comes with a shelter they can actually sleep in, it makes sense. You indirectly lead them to the shelter, spending less wellfare on their health problems and spending less on public safety etc etc. It's not a very presentable idea though, it's like the guillotine, the intention can be good (less pain) but it appears as something cold and brutal. It also gives the people the impression that they live in a dog-eat-dog city.
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posted June 11, 2014 01:18 PM |
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Btw, it's not just building entrances like the pictures in the link, I read the same news with pictures of spikes under bridges and other regular homeless spots. So, it's not just about some flat owners.
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posted June 11, 2014 01:26 PM |
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If you have the money to spend on that sort of installation you should give it to homeless shelters instead.
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posted June 11, 2014 01:30 PM |
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The thing is, even when you build a shelter, the homeless may still prefer under bridges and similar because they are additcs and they cant score in a shelter.
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posted June 11, 2014 01:39 PM |
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Edited by Adrius at 13:39, 11 Jun 2014.
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Untrue in my experience, for London at least. Sleeping in the cold is the absolute worst thing, they'll do anything to avoid it. It's deadly.
If you have a room in a shelter, you can smoke, shoot or whatever as much as you want in there, as long as you keep it private (there are different rules depending on the organisation/shelter/personell, but generally it's extremely hard to make people follow them so you tend to become a bit lenient towards drug use... many need it to survive after all) Inhabitants usually leave the shelter to either beg for money (or prositute themselves), purchase drugs or you know, hang out somewhere.
Those you catch outside sleeping are either the ones that homelessness organisations haven't picked up yet, or those who have been thrown out because of various reasons.
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posted June 11, 2014 01:47 PM |
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artu said:
Well, if it comes with a shelter they can actually sleep in, it makes sense. You indirectly lead them to the shelter, spending less wellfare on their health problems and spending less on public safety etc etc. It's not a very presentable idea though, it's like the guillotine, the intention can be good (less pain) but it appears as something cold and brutal. It also gives the people the impression that they live in a dog-eat-dog city.
The dehumanization is the #1 issue with the practice. Short-term it's cheap and efficacious, but I still think its ultimately harmful. Common sleeping areas being installed with metal spikes makes them feel like an animal. Granted, without metal spikes, homeless people aren't exactly celebrities, but it's another dose of fuel for the fire. If you treat a person like a dog, said person will behave like one.
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posted June 11, 2014 01:52 PM |
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I agree the issue is mostly how the idea represents itself. Feels like if you have no home = you are not human. Such a scary path to start treading on...
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posted June 11, 2014 02:12 PM |
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Maybe it could help raise awarness of homelessness.
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posted June 11, 2014 02:21 PM |
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Adrius said:
Those you catch outside sleeping are either the ones that homelessness organisations haven't picked up yet, or those who have been thrown out because of various reasons
Well, if everybody prefers the shelters anyway (in winter, at least) and the spikes are only meant for people who are NOT accepted in shelters for some reason, what would be the point of building shelters instead of spikes?
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posted June 11, 2014 02:33 PM |
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More space means you can accept more people.
Money also allows organisations to offer other services to help clients recover and prevent others to fall into the homelessness.
Surely a better investment of your money, especially morally.
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posted June 11, 2014 02:38 PM |
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Oh, so you were talking about lack of space. "Thrown out" followed by "various reasons" usually associates with other kind of stuff, like not being allowed in because of aggressive and anti-social types of behavior.
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posted June 11, 2014 03:01 PM |
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I've also seen pics with spikes on stairs. are you supposed to dodge spikes to climb them?
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posted June 11, 2014 03:08 PM |
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Edited by artu at 15:12, 11 Jun 2014.
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The intensity of them would be designed to avoid laying down but not stepping. It's not like they are medieval death traps set to get you killed.
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posted June 11, 2014 03:17 PM |
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artu said:
Oh, so you were talking about lack of space. "Thrown out" followed by "various reasons" usually associates with other kind of stuff, like not being allowed in because of aggressive and anti-social types of behavior.
It puts these homeless into sort of a state of limbo. If they're being anti-social (as in aggressive; not as in shy  ) and/or distributing drugs, what is the homeless facility suppose to do? Let them hang out? They can go outside, but then what? You don't have anything to arrest them for. You could try a 3rd option of sending them somewhere geared for therapy and recovery, but what if they're not cooperative? Do you keep them there forcefully? If so, then it's basically just a deception of language, and it is prison without actually calling it prison. It's not legally possible unless you can arrest them for some reason.
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