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posted January 11, 2020 11:04 PM |
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Salamandre said:
I think you misunderstand me. I don't care about other countries sharing western values, I even respect the Islamic way.
AS long as: they do not impose on us by millions moving in, they don't terrorize us, they don't have or are on the way of having nuclear weapons. At the moment one of those things happens (all three happened), there is need to critically look at that culture and predict what's next, then take act.
Of course, if would have helped if Bush junior didn't create the total mess in that area, but now is done.
Currently, it is not about such culture wars at all but about reelpolitik regarding the power vacuum in Iraq and Syria.
Russia, U.S.A., Iran, Turkey, Kurdish forces constantly find themselves in situations where they confront each other and alliences shift year by year. I remember back in Obama’s time, American TV shows and press were all about the human angle and peace regarding Iran, now that their deal is off, it’s back to the radical terrorists rhetoric.
Btw, Iran is indeed run by an officially Islamist regime but do not be confusing its society with North Africa. It’s one of the most ancient civilizations with strong traditions in philosophy and literature, way older than Islam. So they have urbanized people with adaptive skills, when it comes to Iranian immigrants in U.S. and Europe, they are usually the ones running away from the Islamic revolution themselves, not the radicals.
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posted January 12, 2020 08:14 AM |
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I was responding to the claim that 90% of societies do not share western values, not specifically to Iran. But yeah, as long as Iran is run by headless extremists, the fact that its individuals have adaptative skills is not that relevant.
I have/had Iranian students and their socializing skills/education are light years away from your next door north-African. None of them was religious though, surprise.
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posted January 12, 2020 10:44 AM |
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@Salamandre
In your honest opinion: with USA scrapping its previous deal with Iran, and with USA recently killing Evil Twin Sean Connery, do you think this hurts or helps the chances for more moderate voices to gain ground in Iran?
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posted January 12, 2020 10:49 AM |
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His replacement is here btw:
Esmail Ghaani, aka: some guy with identical ideology. It only came at the cost of a close encounter with a war breaking out.
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posted January 12, 2020 11:11 AM |
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I am reluctant when I hear things as "Trump retired from x deal", be it Iran or climate change, it is always one side truncated facts. Unless you provide me data I don't know, Trump retired from the deal but asked new negotiations - to include Iran abandoning its support for terrorism, which Iran refused. Then, 1 year after that, while the deal was still going on between EU and Iran, Iran decided to push uranium production above the deal terms thus it broke the deal too.
Also the deal had a 10 years term limit, and after that Iran could build atomic weapon very fast, some studies told. One thing is to permanently address a behavioral aspect, another is to delay the issue, which Obama did. The bottom line, as I see it, is that a pathetic EU can't do sh!t without US backing and paying, and this is exactly what Trump is trying to prove.
As for your last question, I surely condemn such facts, I abhor imperialist powers acting abroad as it was their yard. BUT there is a specific reality, with religious fundamentalists you can't .. talk. When people are ready and proud to die for their convictions, there is not much ground left for reason. We see it with every terrorist attack (nowadays almost every week) in France.
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posted January 12, 2020 11:30 AM |
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Salamandre said:
there is not much ground left for reason.
Grounds for reason. Such as threatening to commit war crimes against cultural sites on Twitter.
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posted January 12, 2020 11:37 AM |
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Yeah, so? Did he hit any? Military advisors totally eliminated such possibility, it is rhetoric.
You are aware that terrorist main tactics, as we noticed in Syria, Palestine (Hamas) and Iraq, is to hide all weaponry within hospitals, cultural sites then play "out of sight out of mind". You talk like there is some conventional war going on, there isn't.
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posted January 12, 2020 12:35 PM |
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Salamandre said:
I am reluctant when I hear things as "Trump retired from x deal", be it Iran or climate change, it is always one side truncated facts. Unless you provide me data I don't know, Trump retired from the deal but asked new negotiations - to include Iran abandoning its support for terrorism, which Iran refused. Then, 1 year after that, while the deal was still going on between EU and Iran, Iran decided to push uranium production above the deal terms thus it broke the deal too.
So, theotherically speaking, countries which already have N-bombs tell other countries to not make them, because no.
It's like telling them we can bomb you, but you can't bomb us...
When countries like USA or Russia press you, one can either subdue, or starts to build up his defenses. Quite frankly, no one will help them if USA attacks, becasue "regime"...
According to Pompeo, Iran is the root of all Middle Eastern problems (yeah cus Iran is Shiite, not Sunni like their neighbours, daa). Because Saudi Arabia is currently USA's "crystal clear" ally...
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posted January 12, 2020 06:19 PM |
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Well, no "other countries", but specifically Iran and North Korea.
No idea why, my guess is it has to do with their repetitive public threats to blow everyone they aren't pleased with.
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posted January 12, 2020 07:16 PM |
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... which is far worse than actually blowing up everybody they are not please with like *some other country*, apparently. 
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posted January 12, 2020 10:02 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Well, no "other countries", but specifically Iran and North Korea.
No idea why, my guess is it has to do with their repetitive public threats to blow everyone they aren't pleased with.
Sal, this is what you posted on this same page:
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Yeah, so? Did he hit any? Military advisors totally eliminated such possibility, it is rhetoric.
I'm just saying. Words matter. There's a big difference between an angry internet saying violent things an a head of state saying violent things.
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posted January 13, 2020 12:02 AM |
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Edited by blob2 at 00:03, 13 Jan 2020.
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Salamandre said:
Also the deal had a 10 years term limit, and after that Iran could build atomic weapon very fast, some studies told. One thing is to permanently address a behavioral aspect, another is to delay the issue, which Obama did. The bottom line, as I see it, is that a pathetic EU can't do sh!t without US backing and paying, and this is exactly what Trump is trying to prove.
EU can do sh!t because it's a conglomarate of parties each with their own problems, that cannot even keep its own integrity (Brexit) and unified strategy (cus each still has it's own interests to think about), while some of their members even question having an army to begin with...
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posted February 04, 2020 01:30 PM |
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How hard did Boden lose for the Democrats to delay the caucus results so much?
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posted February 07, 2020 03:38 PM |
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Buttigieg will probably win in Iowa but he will collapse in other states, unless his popularity surges after Iowa. He has a charisma similar to Obama but he doesn't seem to enjoy hardly any support with minorities .
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posted February 07, 2020 03:43 PM |
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I seriously don't think Sanders or Warren has a good chance of winning in the general election. Socialist candidates can win on the coasts but not in a general president election. Too many moderate Democrats will defect to Trump.
The thing about the polls is that a significant percentage of people are in the closet about their conservatism as a result of PC culture. So when looking at polls, the margin of error is always going to slanted in favor of the GOP rather than Democratic party.
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posted February 07, 2020 04:23 PM |
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Funny how almost everybody was saying Trump doesn't stand a chance in 2016. Now I'm pretty sure he'll get a second term. Heck, maybe he can do something to remove the two-term limit... 
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posted February 07, 2020 05:09 PM |
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People were saying that because the polls were unfavorable towards him.
(And no, it's not just liberal people cooking the books: people have a tendency to be more conservative than what they say they are).
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posted February 07, 2020 10:51 PM |
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Democrats placed their bets on two things only, anti Trump hate and race/gender identity. Fortunately, for the first, smart people know most are fake news or peanuts, then for the second, USA is still predominantly white and they just don't care about LGBT or Mexicans special rights in first place. People want a good economy, more money, lower taxes and fair opportunities.
Now you understand why lefties want so much open borders and crave for kissing illegal alien butts; without uneducated and unskilled people constantly flowing in then being highly malleable - granted you give them free stuff, they fall under the 50% then will never win again. I read a study where it was stated that if blacks vote at 1x% (or something close) republican, democrats will never win again. Never.
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posted February 08, 2020 03:34 AM |
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With the PC stuff, they don't just target Republicans with the Great Purge: they also cannibalize each other. Last debate they brought up this moronic theory that Sanders didn't think a woman could be president and Elizabeth Warren attacked him for it. It ended up backfiring though and her place in the polls has gone down the toilet.
The debates are such a load of crap. There's a few interesting points of discussion but mostly it's just scripted responses and each candidate hoping for a zinger moment on television that will go viral.
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posted February 09, 2020 04:09 AM |
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Blizzardboy said:
Too many moderate Democrats will defect to Trump.
More likely they just won't vote at all.... which is more or less the same thing.
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