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Chinese are right to laugh, America is done, only a matter of a couple of years then will stabilize as third world area. Such inner conflicts are not a political left/right issue, but hundreds of years of racial resentment, political and cultural weakness; no reform will fix that. What thugs from BLM and their fans want is tear down the western civilization and culture then build a new over the ruins. And we saw how great work African "civilizations".
Time for China and Russia, both vigilant about preserving strong identity and unity, to take the lead. It's inevitable.
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posted June 23, 2020 10:57 AM |
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The one thing yopu can safely say ist that the US have been suffering from a generally inept, lying federal government which, among other failures. touted the general idea to the public, that it would be a good idea to copy the Chinese way of old of dealing with unwanted invaders.
The actual situation is a problem of missing leadership. Something that was clear might happen at the first instance that government would have to deal with a serious problem.
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posted June 23, 2020 11:21 AM |
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I agree 100%, Trump screwed badly on this one and proved he doesn't have the backbone his base elected him for.
There is only one way to deal with violent riots, thugs burning cities and tearing history apart, and that is bring back order above all, at any cost. Vaporize them or lock them enough long so they get the message and never start again.
Instead, all rioters and looters got a free from prison card, they got released and not charged. This is how a society falls, when the thug is sanctified and the good guy forced to knell and hide.
Ironically, Trump also proved by that he is in no way the white supremacist lefties call him, because a real supremacist would have acted very differently. One more fiction falling apart.
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posted June 23, 2020 11:30 AM |
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You still don't get that the president isn't a King. He can't just send the army or "federal forces" (as you don't get that the police can't just solve every problem by shooting them).
The president's task is to UNIFY people (and states and state governeurs) and to OVERCOME trenches, not to dig them and to separate people. His leadership is supposed to be inspiring, not divisive.
And he was divisive right from the start. He has also lied right from the start.
And by the way, "bringing back order at all cost" sounds like what a Roman senator might have cried after some slave uprising, or some nobleman, when the riffraff dared to demand fair wages - or a Soviet leader in 1956 with a view on Hungary. Certainly not like what a liberal democrat would demand.
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For me it would sound very inspiring and unifying locking down the thugs smashing down statues of Jefferson, Washington and Columbus, symbols of a one body nation.
But my perceptions are not upside down, like yours.
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Certainly not like what a liberal democrat would demand.
Pelosi ripping in front of cameras Trump's union speech?
"So tonight, I am extending an open hand to work with members of both parties — Democrats and Republicans — to protect our citizens of every background, color, religion, and creed. My duty, and the sacred duty of every elected official in this chamber, is to defend Americans — to protect their safety, their families, their communities, and their right to the American Dream. Because Americans are dreamers too."
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I don't get how you guys can agree the U.S. is on the down-slope, and then blame Trump for everything that leftist media is absolutely responsible for. The left have been squalling like babies ever since the man was elected; and used literally ALL of their stranglehold on media to guide the rabid hatred towards the man. It was the left who polarized this country with their agenda; it was the left spouting "Trump Sucks!" as soon as he was sworn in, before the dude could even BEGIN his presidency, across ALL their media, that are to blame for the state of this country as it is right now. Not "systemic racism", not "police brutality", not "nazis", not ANYTHING the left have been pushing across their media since Trump took office. They started out with just attacking Trump; and when that didn't convince everyone to join the left, they reverted to dividing the people and polarizing them, in order to create chaos that they could then BLAME TRUMP FOR. The leftists in government have NO morality; everything they spout in the name of good will, is a LIE than has been used to take the ONE MAN down from THEIR PLAYING FIELD that WASN'T MEANT to BE there. Trump WASN'T PART OF THEIR PLAN. And they have made that ABUNDANTLY CLEAR from the start. Remember me saying at the beginning that he wasn't part of their plan? That Hillary was the one who was supposed to be ushered into presidency after Obama? Yeah. I wasn't wrong. Their AGENDA was disrupted. Their PLANS were temporarily thwarted. And they have been ENRAGED about it ever since, and again, have used ALL OF THEIR POWER IN THE MEDIA to get the country BACK ONTO THEIR PLAN.
For once, jj is right: you cannot just use brute military force on the populace. That would have polarized many(if not all) of his SUPPORTERS against him. Put yourself in Trump's shoes: you've been attacked from the get-go of your presidency, and nearly ALL media starts attacking you from every angle. Add to that, that most of those in the system didn't want to work with you, because YOU DIDN'T "BELONG" THERE. YOU WEREN'T "PART OF THE PLAN".
That the man tweets all the time like a high school girl doesn't help, but he wasn't versed in public relations his whole life like manipulative politicians are; so his streaming thoughts are broadcast without filters or eloquence. It can be argued that he says what's on his mind, and is a straight-shooter(despite all the claims by the left that he is lying, otherwise). I can tell you I trust HIM, more than ANYONE else in politics, because he's NOT A POLITICIAN. His whole life wasn't DESIGNED TO MANIPULATE THE PUBLIC. He life has been about MANIPULATING OTHER BUSINESSMEN to gain capitol, before he was a president.
But, that's getting off-subject, really.
The left have been the ones polarizing this country. It was THEIR agenda to pit the blacks against the whites. It was THEIR agenda to pit the populace against police(the police inadvertently helped them in that matter, obviously).
Again, put yourself in Trump's shoes for a moment. He's a businessman who, I think, is a rarity and actually cares about the U.S. and what it stands for. Now, add to that, that he is literally SURROUNDED by people trying to get him out of office and/or discredit him, because he isn't "part of the plan". He has been fighting corrupt vermin on ALL SIDES in the government; he has been attacked from day one of his presidency by mass media; he was even RIDICULED before his presidency by all those vermin he was competing with(and again, by the leftist media, who mistakenly thought he was a joke); and now, on top of all that he has been dealing with since he was even in the running for president, he has the unrest THE LEFT CAUSED to deal with.
Now, I want you to think back: did the media blame BUSH JR and HIS administration for the Iraq invasion/war/occupation? Did ANY of the top dogs in his administration(including himself) see ANY fallout for all the deaths that occurred with the decisions THEY ACTUALLY MADE?
NO.
Now, the leftist media has put Trump between a rock and a hard place: they have created chaos in the streets, and any unanswered chaos can be blamed on a lack of policing(which leads to Trump somehow, despite the leftist mayors and governors ACTUALLY being the ones responsible for not responding to the chaos). AND, if Trump were to attempt to EXERT CONTROL over the real situation the LEFTIST MEDIA CAUSED, he would be painted as a NAZI(they've already been comparing him to Hitler/Nazis/white supremacy, but that's besides the point) who is UNCONSTITUTIONAL(which is hilarious, being that the entire government's agenda is STRICTLY unconstitutional). The leftist media can then say "see? we TOLD you he was Hitler!". And he would lose support from his own side.
It's a game of chess, and it's not even a very good one. Anyone actually paying attention can see who's at fault, here; and plainly so.
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posted June 23, 2020 12:49 PM |
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Those in power are creating a playing field in the U.S., where if you stand against them, you will be actively attacked and defeated. If you are white and stand against anti-white racism, you are labeled a white supremacist. If you are a male and stand against anti-male feminism, you are labeled a woman-hating chauvinist pig. If you stand against their anti-gun agenda, they call you a white supremacist, too(don't laugh, they actually do that). If you stand against their agenda AT ALL, they use everything in their power to defeat you: you lose your job, you lose your credibility, you lose your friends and family. I know this, because I have experienced two major instances of this myself irl(and am STILL experiencing it); as well as seeing all the propaganda that cost many others the same.
And now, they have the leftists ALL doing their bidding. It is an absolute takeover they are striving for; and they are ABSOLUTELY guiding the U.S. into a 1984-type existence.
No one can argue with me on this. They, just like with the so-called "Patriot Act", are working in the NAME of "good will", while being ANYTHING but. It is easily apparent.
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posted June 23, 2020 01:20 PM |
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I never said to use brute force against populace, but against opportunist thugs who use Floyd's death or whatever pretext to burn, kill and loot. And guess what, at the time when Minion, JJ and other non-Americans sitting comfortable in their sofas mocked on Trump for proposing army,a majority of Americans supported using military, among those polled 43% of democrats and even 37% blacks.
But facts don't matter, we know.
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posted June 23, 2020 01:20 PM |
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Case in point of "the plan to remove the bad orange man from presidency", and how the left are guiding it: leftists buying up thousands upon thousands of seats at Trump rallies, just so pro-Trump people don't have seating(but instead, have to remain outside during the rally). They(and their leftist media) are claiming they did so because of covid-19, which is an utter lie.
And then, the headlines we get from the left is "Trump rallies showing low attendance rates".
People have ridiculed Trump for calling out the fake news, and anyone with a brain can actually SEE the fake news. They're not even being crafty with it, ffs; it's all right out in the open: the same leftist media that report people buying up Trump rally tickets to block Trump supporters, are reporting that Trump's rallies are seeing diminished numbers.
You know, I've never voted before, and I certainly didn't plan on it; because I never thought I'd see a candidate that was FOR the people.
As it stands, I'll be voting for Trump now(for what that's worth in this corrupt system), because I can CLEARLY see who the bad guys are.
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Salamandre said:
I never said to use brute force against populace, but against opportunist thugs who use Floyd's death or whatever pretext to burn, kill and loot. And guess what, at the time when Minion, JJ and other non-Americans sitting comfortable in their sofas mocked on Trump for proposing army,a majority of Americans supported using military, among those polled 43% of democrats and even 37% blacks.
But facts don't matter, we know.
I know, and you know how the media would spin that. It's best to just stand back and let the left defeat themselves; with the chaos THEY created.
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Chinese are right to laugh, America is done, only a matter of a couple of years then will stabilize as third world area. Such inner conflicts are not a political left/right issue, but hundreds of years of racial resentment, political and cultural weakness; no reform will fix that.
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Wet dreams of the collapse of the US and reality are two different things. Also, we make better wine than you do.
The people who think the USA "is done" suffer from a severe ignorance of history. Things are significantly less violent now than they used to be. Social unrest is significantly less now than it used to be. That's data, not an opinion.
This is the problem with social media when people don't know how to think competently. Gullible people see something bad happening on social media and make faulty inductive reasoning that the world is going up in flames. I can't imagine how terrified emotionally vulnerable people must have been if everything that happened in the 1920s or 1970s or the 1990s was being uploaded on social media. Their heads would have exploded all over their keyboard and computer screen like a grenade being detonated inside a watermelon.
The fact is: recent events are overwhelmingly positive because widespread protests have historically been a catalyst for change and they get local governments and legislators moving along quickly. The things being talked about right now in government weren't happening 3 months ago, and THAT is what was truly a bad thing.
Here is some incredibly good news out of Colorado that just happened last week, and it is just one of many:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/colorado-passes-sweeping-police-reform-bill/
That didn't happen 3 months ago because 3 months ago it was just more of the same.
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posted June 23, 2020 01:54 PM |
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Things are significantly less violent now than they used to be. Social unrest is significantly less now than it used to be. That's data, not an opinion.
You remember a moment in your lifetime where things were more volatile than they are now? When the nation was MORE polarized?
Please, tell me more. Please, expand on that. I'm DYING to hear this.
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BB, all this is blah-blah and you know it. Read in your link, "Imminent danger" for a cop can be a range of things, from a wood-stick to a RPG, it all depends on his training, stress, fatigue and other elements. If you think cops will suddenly stop defending themselves because the administrative yada-yada and the political tensions, wait and see. Nothing will change, no cop sane in his mind will ever accept being assassinated by a thug so you and others can rejoice about his death.
If ideologues don't stop unfairly accusing the police, the police will resign - like they do now, then you will have a 358% (!) increasing in criminality like those days.
Also I don't remember America agreeing to erase parts of its history in the past, what's going now is huge and there will be no return. It's done, look at other empires rising up and learn how should be done. You are no longer one nation, but two or more preparing for segregation.
What you think, if Trump loses, half of America who voted for him will just chill up and say "ok you won, let's work now together?". You will get the biggest ever problem on your hands, those people will not forget what the other side did.
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What you think, if Trump loses, half of America who voted for him will just chill up and say "ok you won, let's work now together?". You will get the biggest ever problem on your hands, those people will not forget what the other side did.
And on the flip side, if Trump wins, the left'll really flip snow. Look at where they are now; imagine what it'll be like if Trump retains his presidency. At the very least, I expect him to be JFK'd if he wins.
Either way, the next 4 years(+) are going to be bad; no matter who wins. We may indeed fall as a country; but if we can exist through a massive internal fight without foreign interference, we MAY just come out on top. I'm not hoping, though. There are too many things going wrong in the states atm; and I have my own hellish personal life, and my family's ever-worsening lives, on top of that.
Things are bad all over.
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If Trump wins, I move to Alaska and hunt the grizzly for a living (probably will be eaten on first try). No radio, no TV.
I can't handle anymore the "orange man bad" hysteria around, the whole press is gone like iron pieces around a magnet.
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posted June 23, 2020 02:27 PM |
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You guys really need to get off social media if it is affecting you this way, or least take a break from it to recharge.
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If Trump wins, I move to Alaska.
I was thinking the same, for opposing reasons. But he won't, not after this first rally. Perception is everything.
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posted June 23, 2020 02:47 PM |
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You guys really need to get off social media if it is affecting you this way, or least take a break from it to recharge.
Please. We are judging this based off of the left and their dominance of mass media. If nothing else, I judge it off of how you all post here. Same as with feminism.
The people opening others' eyes to the dominating lunacy, is strictly the left. You only have yourselves to blame for how we react. And more than that, you have yourselves to blame for how YOU ALL act.
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But he won't, not after this first rally. Perception is everything.
No, proper information is everything. Did the media you read inform you how many people watched the rally on streaming or/and Fox? Check.
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People defending Trump and don't see that he's an utterly inept egomaniac: sorry, guys, but something is decidedly wrong with you and your perception. You are certainly not living in any reality deserving that name.
Which makes all discussion pointless, because we simply don't share the similarities that would allow any meaningful opinion exchange.
For the record, Trump will lose by some margin, provided they don't manage to rig the election (which would possibly lead to more than just riots), and then things will quieten down and normalize.
The downside is, that he set such a low standard, that from there on the Reps can only win, no matter what candidate they'll come up next with. If they had any balls at all, they would expüel Trump from the party and nominate someone else, some integrative figure. That candidate would probably win by a mile.
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