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Neither Warren not Hillary can boast of any particular accomplishments. In fact I would classify Hillary's service as disasterous.
Deposition began for Hillary's right hand, Abedin, today. I have not heard any result so I am guessing it continues tomorrow. This is for a civil suit by Judicial Watch. JW has put in paperwork to depose Hillary also.
As a sidenote Judicial Watch recovered several dozen emails which Hillary has not turned over. Some she has in fact deleted. Proof she lied to Congress about turning over all work related email & deleted only personal email. Lying to Congress is a crime.
The Congressional Benghazi committe released it's report today and it was not pretty for the administration. The Secretary of defense ordered a rescue as soon as the attack on the embassy happened but it never got underway. The State Department (Hillary's department)& white house had the rescue team change in and out of their uniforms 4 times and never cleared them to leave.
Hillary was also the senior cabinet member in the meeting immediately following the attack (nobody knows where Obama was.) Half the meeting was about how to spin the attack and blame it on a video about Mohammed. Since Hillary was the senior cabinet member there she was calling the shots.
Obama refuses to answer any of the committee's questions.
Hillary still has not held a press conference since before a single vote was cast in either party's primary.
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more and more snowfall everyday on her side
this on ghost bin is an insane amount of data but since its release a few months ago so much more has been revealed.
Clintons. She needs to be expelled from this planet.
Does anyone even believe the BS coming from her mouth about not supporting the TPP when her delegates are all for it? I am considering strongly in finishing my degree in any field related to water preservation and restoration. Especially more encouraged to do so if Clintons frack supporting *** gets in office.
Throw the book at this enemy. This is extremely important for the future of this world.
of course... It's not just her. Which is why I hope the FBI is taking so long. If she walks through I can pretty much expect that people are going to re act. The DNC has destroyed democracy, expect that they can strong arm take office and lie to us.. Reactions will probably occur. They stirred up the middle east by unjustified occupation and war, and now they have stirred up millions in their own country.
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posted June 29, 2016 06:02 AM |
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Hillary helped lay the groundwork for TPP and praised it as the gold standard of trade deals. She is on record more than two dozen times supporting it. Now to suck up to Sanders supporters she claims to oppose it.
Watch her and hear her praise TPP.
https://youtu.be/MpLQzeCoNnA
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posted June 29, 2016 08:08 AM |
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Ah, come on.
How can it even be possible, that a person like Donald Drumpf is in the race for the office of the president of the United States. Who in their right mind would
a) believe just one word he says
b) lend him 10 bucks if he would ask for them
c) buy something from him
d) listen to more than 2 sentences?
Wake up, USA. He's spend a lifetime with making his name a kind of magic wand and use it to do whatever excentric snowe he wanted to do. The only thing this guy will see, whould he be elected, is HIMSELF. He'll be no president, but some kind of Prince holding court, sending special forces into the world to kill the families of suspected terrorists.
Hillary, on the other hand, is a piece of work. I mean, OF COURSE she is - how else would she have become what she now is. However - with her you get someone SANE and PREDICTABLE; she won't be a danger for the whole world, although she'll be one hell of a tough mother when it comes to negotiating things and stuff, and she has a lot of experience which is a plus as well.
It's not even a choice. The only problem is the fact, that it looks like these two will be the candiates the American people can chose between, and I understand a reaction like, "come on, THOSE are the people you want me to vote for as the next president? Ok, let's check the name of that elefant-in-the-porcelain-shop kind of guy, and be it only to upset the whole system by picking someone without any qualification for the job, except having made up a nice-sounding name for himself." It's like an "in your face, system, when you dare to offer me this kind of bull".
Donald Trump makes a fool out of himself as a candidate, and by proxy of the whole US of A.
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posted June 29, 2016 08:48 AM |
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Ah the preachy. A german, who voted and is commanded by Merkel, Merkel who sacrifices her people lives, security and happiness to pay the ww2 moral price for 1000 years more, Merkel who hates and despises Germany, its flag and its people. Those dumb millions americans voting Trump have one word for you, as Katie Hopkins had for Brexit: we vote,we win, suck it up.
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posted June 29, 2016 08:59 AM |
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JollyJoker said:
Ah, come on.
How can it even be possible, that a person like Donald Drumpf is in the race for the office of the president of the United States. Who in their right mind would
a) believe just one word he says
b) lend him 10 bucks if he would ask for them
c) buy something from him
d) listen to more than 2 sentences?
I do not mean to be rude here Jolly but, just so you're on the level, you aren't trolling are you?
a) Unlike the other politicians he is the only one bringing up the real problems, granted his solutions may be somewhat spiteful, but nevertheless he is the only one going at them.
b) Considering he has gone up and down like a jojo, I suspect people got more respect for him than what meets the eye. I bet many would lend him 10 bucks, although considering his wealth, he won't need it.
c) I guess a lot of people would be out of their mind then considering how his skyscrapers have sold.
d) Probably everyone who votes for him. Again, he takes up and flares the issues in need of change, why else would people vote for him?
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Wake up, USA. He's spend a lifetime with making his name a kind of magic wand and use it to do whatever excentric snowe he wanted to do. The only thing this guy will see, whould he be elected, is HIMSELF. He'll be no president, but some kind of Prince holding court, sending special forces into the world to kill the families of suspected terrorists.
He has proven he is able to succeed with something. He has proven he is able to walk the talk. He has proven he can rise from the bottom. Not many people in the world can do that, least of all politicians. I really wonder what makes you think he wants to kill families of suspected terrorists, for unlike the other candidates, he does not want to go to war - he wants to stay on the land and not move out.
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Hillary, on the other hand, is a piece of work. I mean, OF COURSE she is - how else would she have become what she now is. However - with her you get someone SANE and PREDICTABLE; she won't be a danger for the whole world, although she'll be one hell of a tough mother when it comes to negotiating things and stuff, and she has a lot of experience which is a plus as well.
Hillary on the other hand, is the person id nominate for the new and current record holder of lying. It's not that she will be sane and predictable, it's the bankers and lobbyists that will be. She won't be a tough mother other than the expression outwards because that's how her little puppet strings are pulled. She has a lot of experience indeed, of promising and not delivering. 8 years and more in office, did nothing.
JollyJoker said:
It's not even a choice. The only problem is the fact, that it looks like these two will be the candiates the American people can chose between, and I understand a reaction like, "come on, THOSE are the people you want me to vote for as the next president? Ok, let's check the name of that elefant-in-the-porcelain-shop kind of guy, and be it only to upset the whole system by picking someone without any qualification for the job, except having made up a nice-sounding name for himself." It's like an "in your face, system, when you dare to offer me this kind of bull".
Granted, the candidates may not be the best presidential material, but it only reflects the people's wishes atm. You may not like Trump, but a large part of the US people does not agree with you. Hillary aka lobbyists, bankers etc, wishes to go on with the current politics which I can summarize as "Bring on more debt than we can handle and pass it on the to the youth along with other problems eg massive immigration".
Trump wishes to go against this, and this causes a media uproar. Like I have said before, Trump may not be the best presidiential material, but right now he is one of the only ones pointing out the problems and offers to do something about them. Granted, some solutions may not be the most practical ones, but at the end of the day, he does wish to do something while the other candidates don't.
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Donald Trump makes a fool out of himself as a candidate, and by proxy of the whole US of A.
So what you are trying to say is that all those people supporting him are fools? Sounds legit.
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posted June 29, 2016 09:19 AM |
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She already declared that her government will take a tougher stance toward Russia, with increased US and NATO presence in Eastern Europe (of course nobody will bother to ask the locals about that) if she gets elected which will literally endanger the whole world. Frankly I see Trump as the safer option on that point.
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posted June 29, 2016 09:42 AM |
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Lol, why I am not surprised that the Two Stooges waving the racist banner now have nothing better to do than defend Donald "crook" Drumpf - who didn't rise from the bottom, by the way, but instead started out in his millionaire father's company.
Don't forget - 43.9 % voted Hitler in 1939; people who feared what would happen to their country, if they left it to the international jewish conspiracy of communism and international banks, yada, yada, yada.
Fear is a bad advisor.
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posted June 29, 2016 09:49 AM |
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Lol, why I am not surprised that the Two Stooges waving the racist banner now have nothing better to do than defend Donald "crook" Drumpf - who didn't rise from the bottom, by the way, but instead started out in his millionaire father's company.
I meant when he got slashed, not started.
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Don't forget - 43.9 % voted Hitler in 1939; people who feared what would happen to their country, if they left it to the international jewish conspiracy of communism and international banks, yada, yada, yada.
Hitting below the belt are we?
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Fear is a bad advisor.
And yet you hug it like it was your last life line.
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posted June 29, 2016 09:53 AM |
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Frankly I see Trump as the safer option on that point.
Right, because Trump will only go on a crusade to kill terrorists's families, while Hillary will lead the US into a war with Russia?
Do you think, in these times the American voters would react kindly to Hillary saying, "sorry, people, but if Russia decides to support an independence movement in one of the former republics of the USSR, then this isn't worth to risk the next world war over; we simply cannot rattle with the sabre, because we don't have one that would be large enough. The only thing we can do is showing Putin that we do care and react in certain ways (Russia has been hit hard by the cheap oil price - do you think that's happenstance? Russian athletes barred from the Olympics?)"?
OF COURSE she has to show some muscles in these times, demonstrating to everyone that she will be no pushover. That doesn't mean she'll fall back to Cold War tactics.
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posted June 29, 2016 10:16 AM |
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Right, because Trump will only go on a crusade to kill terrorists's families, while Hillary will lead the US into a war with Russia?
Don't you get it that Hillary is the one who wants to mess around outside the borders and Trump wishes to close them and stay inside?
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Do you think, in these times the American voters would react kindly to Hillary saying, "sorry, people, but if Russia decides to support an independence movement in one of the former republics of the USSR, then this isn't worth to risk the next world war over; we simply cannot rattle with the sabre, because we don't have one that would be large enough. The only thing we can do is showing Putin that we do care and react in certain ways (Russia has been hit hard by the cheap oil price - do you think that's happenstance? Russian athletes barred from the Olympics?)"?
Considering you branded them retarded for voting for trump, I guess it would be no problem at all to move the mindless cattle to war...
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OF COURSE she has to show some muscles in these times, demonstrating to everyone that she will be no pushover. That doesn't mean she'll fall back to Cold War tactics.
SHE. IS. A. PUPPET! She has already been pushed over and sold her soul.
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posted June 29, 2016 10:30 AM |
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Ebonheart said:
JollyJoker said:
Right, because Trump will only go on a crusade to kill terrorists's families, while Hillary will lead the US into a war with Russia?
Don't you get it that Hillary is the one who wants to mess around outside the borders and Trump wishes to close them and stay inside!
Ebonheart, I wonder what unicorn riding wishful thinking process gives you that impression because Trump keeps talking on and on about crushing down ISIS. Not that I'd have a problem with that but in the end, his foreign policy wont be any different from the previous neo-con hawks which resulted in ISIS in the first place. When talking about closed borders, Trump is talking about immgrants on their way in, not marines on their way out. He is the bully kind of capitalist who thinks he's entitled to everything and anything that is inconvenient can be bought out, his mind set wont change when he becomes the president.
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posted June 29, 2016 10:40 AM |
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Thats not even fair, putting the war against ISIS on same plan with pushing to further expansionism, guess unicorns are everywhere. Trump is an isolationist in his speeches and ISIS is a problem which not a single leader in the world would deny it needs to be exterminated.
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posted June 29, 2016 10:57 AM |
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No. Isolationism is when you are passive in foreign politics, The US for example, was mostly isolationist before WW 1.
Trump says "no more nation-building, we will fight radical Islam, now" which is just Republican hawk political lingo meaning "we will intervene when we see fit just as usual, we only have a different name for it." Oh, and also this time they wont care about the ones who flee if things get out of hand.
If you think Trump and his political circle, where he's coming from will bring peaceful foreign politics to the US, you don't know much or your reaction to immigrants reached such an emotional level, you lost sense and cheer for anyone who speaks out against them.
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posted June 29, 2016 10:58 AM |
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Ebonheart said:
b) Considering he has gone up and down like a jojo, I suspect people got more respect for him than what meets the eye. I bet many would lend him 10 bucks, although considering his wealth, he won't need it.
Respect? His unfavorability 70%. No one can boast being disliked more than Trump. He is a fraud and scam artist - and being sued for it. Trump University was a fraudulent scheme that preyed upon the elderly and uneducated to separate them from their money. Give him money at your own peril, sir.
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d) Probably everyone who votes for him. Again, he takes up and flares the issues in need of change, why else would people vote for him?
Many reasons, one being that probably 30-40% are those voters would vote for any republican on the ticket. Party loyalty. He is no champion of a revolution and hence popular.
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He has proven he is able to succeed with something. He has proven he is able to walk the talk. He has proven he can rise from the bottom. Not many people in the world can do that, least of all politicians. I really wonder what makes you think he wants to kill families of suspected terrorists, for unlike the other candidates, he does not want to go to war - he wants to stay on the land and not move out.
He inherited hundreds of million. easyto succeed aftter that don't you think. And he has what, 3 bankruptcies already and a lawsuit of fraud coming up? Good luck with him America! As for killing terroris families, yes he said it but has changed his opinion because probably adviser told him he is a buffoon. He also wanted to bring back torture. You like?
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Hillary on the other hand, is the person id nominate for the new and current record holder of lying.
You are kidding? Trump lies 76% of the time Fact-Checking website says.
"Bring on more debt than we can handle and pass it on the to the youth along with other problems eg massive immigration".
Trump wishes to go against this, and this causes a media uproar.
Really? A new Washington study says Donald Trump’s tax and budget plans would make the national debt skyrocket by $10 trillion or more over the coming decade, mostly because of his ambitious and expensive tax cuts.
The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget says Democrat Hillary Clinton’s agenda — which relies on tax increases to pay for proposals such as making the Affordable Care Act more generous — would increase the debt by about $250 billion over 10 years.
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posted June 29, 2016 11:02 AM |
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Salamandre said:
Trump is an isolationist in his speeches.
Actually, he's just a racist who wants to keep "the rabble" OUT (in his speeches).
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posted June 29, 2016 11:07 AM |
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I propose we sum it up like this:
We all have very different opinions because of what has happened to us in our lives, because of our culture and the way we reason and look at things.
But we are not getting anywhere in this thread. All we do is bring forth the hammer of "I am so snowing right and that's why I am right" and swing it around in a frenzy. None of us is actually making any progress whatsoever or making the other participants open their eyes. Our beliefs are set in stone and we can with pride knight us to be a perfect example of the human nature.
I propose we bury the hatches here before we start to grow any ill will towards eachother. Otherwise, I propose we make a new thread where we type freely and declare how everyone who does not agree with oneself are morons and scums.
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posted June 29, 2016 11:11 AM |
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artu said:
If you think Trump and his political circle, where he's coming from will bring peaceful foreign politics to the US, you don't know much
I don't have your crystal ball, indeed. All I can, at my modest level, is to read what he is saying, now.
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posted June 29, 2016 11:18 AM |
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Well if you still think Trumps plan is better for debt then I have failed. You should check the libertarian candidate Gary Johnson if debt is your real issue. If it is immigration, then it is indeed Trump.
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posted June 29, 2016 11:22 AM |
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Minion said:
Well if you still think Trumps plan is better for debt then I have failed. You should check the libertarian candidate Gary Johnson if debt is your real issue. If it is immigration, then it is indeed Trump.
Yes you have failed, and so have I. Guess we are both on the level there.
I agree with Dr.Doom though, we are sitting on Titanic. My prediction is worse than doom and gloom. I believe no matter what president you get, we are in for a horrific crash of the likes which might be greater than the crash in 1929 because of the debt and immigration and lack of Democracy.
This is what I believe.
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