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markkur
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posted August 05, 2016 09:23 AM |
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I think the problem in the USA is deeper than just the Corporate ownership of our entire election process; as if that were not horrible enough. Worse and the cause of that fact...is I think we have to go back and accept that we have surrendered our voice and vote and followed the same path as Rome. We have in many ways but in this instance, I am speaking about one correlation.
Like Rome, we've went from a "Republic to Mob-Rule"; everyone yells and no one listens. Hell, we have Legions of people that live off TALKING/RANTING about our non-existent-leadership(think-tanks, pundits, talk-shows, newspapers, magazines, radio-shows, news-shows, commentators & party-strategists of every description) and the last thing ANY those leeches want is anyone coming in and fixing a damn thing and depriving them of their wonderful lifestyle. Instead of Nero playing a fiddle while Rome burned we have a Symphony of madness playing for the Parties and not the People.
We should have representatives that represent US and we have not had that for decades to any real effect. We peasants have allowed our representatives to do whatever the hell THEY want and live like rock-stars on the dole of the taxpayers, while evading Truth like nasty cough medicine and practicing duel-identities as political virtue. Everything is done for the sake of Self & The-Party and never the People first.
Here we were, a once upon a time, Republic and today, instead, the glorious power-seekers just make sure the Mob is happy with freebies and lip-service which is no better than the Roman Coliseum-crowd that munched grapes while watching the killing of people and animals.
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posted August 05, 2016 09:44 AM |
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at least there was some cultural honor for the animals and gladiators, most of the stuff on tv these days is absolutely deranged. 
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posted August 05, 2016 03:41 PM |
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@markkur I have tried to tell strong voices to advocate unity. Right now we are so dispersed and accomplishing nothing. Without expounding, I have a wish there is one website where we make the initial step of unification.
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posted August 05, 2016 04:28 PM |
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Zeno:
The influence of money on electoral politics is overrated, based on my understanding of the relevant research.
And while there aren't any perfect candidates, voters are still offered a variety of views. For example, this election we had socialism (Sanders), the left-wing version of the status quo (Clinton), the right-wing version of the status quo (Kasich), ideological conservatism (Cruz), populism (Trump), conservative libertarianism (Paul), switching to the metric system (Chafee), and so on, and now in the general election in addition to Clinton and Trump we have Johnson (libertarianism), Stein (green politics), and potentially others. It's not like the alternatives are totally unknown. People just prefer what we have.
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posted August 05, 2016 05:49 PM |
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mvassilev said:
Zeno:
The influence of money on electoral politics is overrated, based on my understanding of the relevant research.
And while there aren't any perfect candidates, voters are still offered a variety of views. For example, this election we had socialism (Sanders), the left-wing version of the status quo (Clinton), the right-wing version of the status quo (Kasich), ideological conservatism (Cruz), populism (Trump), conservative libertarianism (Paul), switching to the metric system (Chafee), and so on, and now in the general election in addition to Clinton and Trump we have Johnson (libertarianism), Stein (green politics), and potentially others. It's not like the alternatives are totally unknown. People just prefer what we have.
Yeah, but when we factor in rigged elections, all we really had was Clinton and Trump.
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posted August 05, 2016 06:06 PM |
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You people will find any excuse to shift the blame from the voters. Bad election results? Obviously rigging or corruption. Not people voting the wrong way, definitely not.
Even if there are a few irregularities, they don't override that the most popular candidate wins.
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markkur
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posted August 05, 2016 06:34 PM |
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@yogi
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at least there was some cultural honor for the animals and gladiators, most of the stuff on tv these days is absolutely deranged
I quit watching any sort of broadcast well over a decade ago, when an ad appeared selling shampoo and it had a woman in the shower, behind frosted glass, making sounds of orgasm.
I cannot imagine what is being pushed now but I had enough years back when female-models were sold as Sports-reporters in men's team locker-rooms or hearing freakin' bottled-water could transform you into turbo-Casanova; for good measure, toss in the absolute disconnect that a working brain generally needs to make to follow "most" (think manic-twitchfest) anything made for the public these days and we have what we have....filth of spirit, mind and body.
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@markkur I have tried to tell strong voices to advocate unity. Right now we are so dispersed and accomplishing nothing. Without expounding, I have a wish there is one website where we make the initial step of unification.
Then do it. You might ask why I don't...I can't. I have far too much pain to be leading anything other than myself through less than fun days. However, if I could get rid of my lovely dragon I'd get after it today in a heartbeat. If you have passion and the will, one person can do a lot for any good purpose these days. The Internet and the social=media makes many things easier today than for most of my life.
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posted August 05, 2016 06:50 PM |
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mvassilev said:
You people will find any excuse to shift the blame from the voters. Bad election results? Obviously rigging or corruption. Not people voting the wrong way, definitely not.
Even if there are a few irregularities, they don't override that the most popular candidate wins.
Of course there are stupid voters. A lot of them. Plenty of voting shenanigans happening though, so many I'm surprised I have to type them to you. Too tired to do so though.
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posted August 05, 2016 07:34 PM |
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mvassilev said:
Zeno:
The influence of money on electoral politics is overrated, based on my understanding of the relevant research.
And while there aren't any perfect candidates, voters are still offered a variety of views. For example, this election we had socialism (Sanders), the left-wing version of the status quo (Clinton), the right-wing version of the status quo (Kasich), ideological conservatism (Cruz), populism (Trump), conservative libertarianism (Paul), switching to the metric system (Chafee), and so on, and now in the general election in addition to Clinton and Trump we have Johnson (libertarianism), Stein (green politics), and potentially others. It's not like the alternatives are totally unknown. People just prefer what we have.
Really, that's the best you could come up with? There could be 100 candidates, out of which only 5 are properly funded and you can automatically forget about the other 95 in an environment where money buys popularity and blackens your opponents. In Bulgaria, at one (of many) ridiculous point of the post-socialist history, we had nearly 300 parties competing for the National Assembly but nobody had any illusions that 98% of them had any chance to get even the minimum amount of votes necessary to get deputies - so as usual it was a fight between two mainstream parties and a few support parties (read - cossets) leaning toward one of the two. Accidentally there are always some major businessmen, banks, joint-stock companies, etc. which "donate" almost exclusively to such mainstream parties and candidates. It's quite enough to convince the public - through the media usually - that voting for anyone but the chosen champions is pointless to acquire enough "tactical voters" and reduce the support for the unlikely candidates to basically nothing. I'm yet to see a single example of a government, president or any other high official elected without substantial private funding of his/their campaign, provided that the society isn't in some state of turmoil.
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posted August 06, 2016 03:17 AM |
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It's somewhat of a chicken-or-egg problem. Those who appear most in the media are the most popular, but the media follows them because they're popular. At first a politician is chosen for attention because of their prior career, whether they've been a governor, important businessperson, famous actor, etc, because if a major media outlet focused on some random guy, the audience wouldn't care. Nor can the media choose people who are too out of step with the voting public, because they'd quickly lose popularity. And even after the selection process of, for example, who gets to be on the debate stages, there's still a number of candidates available to choose from.
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posted August 06, 2016 04:07 AM |
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markurr there is no point in my trying to unify millions. I could probably unify 5 or 6 people lol
But whats all this about Hillary selling weapons to ISIS now? I'm at work, this looks legit, recent wikileak.
More to come .. I hope this government is overthrown into jail, every last one of them who support this.. Obama and Hillary I have read, are demanding the assassination of assange, for revealing truth. #F-Obama #RidiculeFBI, the #ComeyShame of being front lines failing the future of humanity, and for what?
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posted August 06, 2016 04:17 AM |
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I'm 95% positive that Trump would not be the nominee if the media would just shut the **** up about him. You don't need to censor information, but every time Trump said something that offended the convention of genetic defectives in journalism, they plastered it on the front page of the website, probably thinking "we will get him!" but instead he just basked in the Infamy and used it to his advantage. There are enough relevant things happening in the world that you don't need 25% of your front page material to be about the latest meanie thing that Trump said, and yea, I'd wager in the past few months that it is 25% of the time about. It's ridiculous.
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posted August 06, 2016 04:20 AM |
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Mvass they have shown us our votes dont matter. They stand up on public national television with bold face lies, get caught in their lies, and nothing happens to them.
Our votes on what though... Hillary or Trummp? Even if my vote DID matter before or after, **** this government.
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posted August 12, 2016 01:36 AM |
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I don't have the time to read this whole thread, but I figured I'd drop in to throw in an idea.
Right now fivethirtyeight favors Clinton at around 85% chance. However there is a factor in her favor, at the moment. Clinton has tons more money and has already started her TV campaigns. Trump has a lot less and so he is saving it for when it counts - right before the election. A huge block of voters don't make up their minds until the weeks before the election, and the history graph of predictions shows that the numbers can swing over the course of a week or two. We'll see what the numbers show when Trump starts paying for commercials. Now if only he would just shut his mouth, that's really what he needs most to win.
I'll also throw in my 2C.. we have to choose between an ###hole and a liar. Trump has a plan for this country, and views that I don't agree with. Clinton on the other hand has nothing, she is a politician to the core. She has no beliefs and will continue the corruption of this country that has been destroying it for the last 40 years. She is just more of the same. My favorite example is this: Trump wants to build a wall. Clinton says we should be building bridges, not walls. Yeah that sounds great, but what does it mean? Is Clinton going to build a bridge to Mexico? No, it's an empty platitude, a metaphor with no meaning. It sounds great but when you think about it she isn't saying anything. Trump has campaign promises I disagree with, Clinton has nothing but the lies that have brought this country to it's knees.
Not that I want Trump for president. I mean he makes the argument against himself pretty solid.
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posted August 12, 2016 02:44 AM |
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Clinton cannot win. At this point I'd vote for the Pillsbury dough-boy just to end this long ruinous run of the Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama fiasco around the world and here in the U.S.
Let's look at the wonderful collection leadership. Savings and Loan fiasco. Medicare robbery. Check kiting scam. Selling missile Tech. Major Cocaine-ring. High-jacked election. WMD. Middle-East regimes changes leading to our MI Complex making money arming "supposed" friends who become enemies and enemies that become...<ahem> friends. Hilary's Immunity at brushing aside Federal Law. Illegal slush-funds. Election tampering on many levels. Main-stream Media dictatorship. How much more do people want?
This country is not the freakin' personal holdings of the Clinton and Bush party-regimes unless the people willingly continue to be both blind and deaf. Just my cent and a half.
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yogi
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posted August 12, 2016 03:45 AM |
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markkur
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posted August 12, 2016 07:10 AM |
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 I remember a similar scene between Clinton & Gingrich after they had both been grilling each other on camera. There they were "snarling at each other and mad as hell" Then, magically, they were laughing it up over cocktails and having a grand old time.
Trump did admit "he had politicians doing what he wanted". Which seems no lie, since our Government certainly bows down to any and all big business.
The question for me now is; whether Trump will use that experience to cash-in? Or will he use it to end the present snowe? Can't answer that one. However, we do know for certain what the status-quo will do. For me it's a bit of a stretch to bring him in as a continuing pawn for what we've had for years now...since Hillary was "appointed" for that position already, before Trump was even dreaming about where he is now.
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posted August 12, 2016 02:57 PM |
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In the end, Americans will get what they deserve for being so aloof about the political process.
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markkur
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posted August 12, 2016 08:59 PM |
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OmegaDestroyer said:
In the end, Americans will get what they deserve for being so aloof about the political process.
Yes and the truth is...I am one of them. Sex Drugs and Rock n Roll didn't make a great retirement plan, let alone foster near-community and country.
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posted August 12, 2016 10:39 PM |
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Edited by Miru at 22:40, 12 Aug 2016.
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@markkur Don't worry. Even if you had saved for retirement some bank would have created a triple A rated bond that you would have bought and turned into dust because S&P, Moody's and Fitch are crooks. So you're no worse off than anyone else.
I was not previously aware of the Trump-Clinton friendship but if I think about it it makes perfect sense. Its a win-win for either of them, and when one of them does poorly the people can think "hey, the alternative wouldn't have been better". They both look a lot better when you realize the other is your alternative. I guess we've screwed before it begins again.
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