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posted August 18, 2016 03:47 AM |
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Could you (or anybody that wishes to) please specify the fear mongering tactics that are being used by Clinton to try to gain votes?
She is using the Trump scarecrow and quite often. Then Trump is not exploiting fear, terrorists who kill innocent people do that then you all constantly point the finger in the wrong direction.
I do not need Trump to unfold there is something to fear about. Not paying attention to someone warning about recent dramatic events and future consequences, for all of us, is not only irresponsible but also utterly naive, in my opinion.
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posted August 18, 2016 06:06 AM |
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Those who give up freedom in exchange for safety deserve neither. One person's terrorist is another persons hero. Am I saying that jihadist are not to be worried about? No. I am saying that other people have used similar tactics and not been called terrorist. Look at seal teams.. their job is to go in, small squads, and take out as many enemies as they can. A lot of people could call them terrorist. Just because they don't die themselves changes nothing.
Its gorilla warfare, and America is letting them win. By being afraid, by giving up freedoms, by caving in to the fear mongering. I am not against Trump for being against terrorist. I am against Trump because he is fruitloops. No attachment to reality. Just listen to what he actually says, not what spin everybody puts on it. What actually comes out of his mouth. If that is not enough to turn people off Trump.. then this country deserves what it will get if he is elected.
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posted August 18, 2016 01:46 PM |
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Is not about giving freedom for safety, but the difference between being stupid and clever, the difference between properly evaluating the situation and report it honestly.
You can't support -directly or indirectly, the US expansionist politics in the middle east, where it already destroyed and looted several secular civilizations, with millions of innocent killed, butchered families (23 000 bombs only in 2015!), infrastructures and all that helps people survive, then play the bigot and hypocrite when Trump says "maybe we should pay attention who we let enter in from THAT area, because it is almost sure every of those migrants had a relative killed by our "heros", and they HATE us".
There is one thing which is sure, Hillary will continue the genocidal politic -as she has its own clan to enrich and everybody knows US without wars go bankruptcy in no time-, which patriots so genuinely call "bring freedom" but lets look at results. Desolation and chaos.
And here is the answer, terror is coming, now in our towns.
At least Trump said he will not. And this is the only thing it keeps me interested about your political skirmishes, EU -and particularly France interests. Because our puppet leaders will follow whoever leads US, and is the people who will pay the price.
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posted August 18, 2016 02:46 PM |
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Mytical said:
If that is not enough to turn people off Trump.. then this country deserves what it will get if he is elected.
It seems you, myself, and at least a few other millions are turned off from trump. Not sure how we deserve what this country will get.
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posted August 18, 2016 03:04 PM |
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With the alternative being Clinton, how can we possibly win?
Quite the dilemma.
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posted August 18, 2016 05:54 PM |
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With the alternative being Clinton, how can we possibly win?
Quite the dilemma.
In the current political climate.. we can't. It is like voting to be crushed by spikes or to fall in a hole full of spikes. Either way, it's gonna hurt. Sadly people refuse to vote 3rd party, even when both of the traditional parties are a joke.
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posted August 18, 2016 07:22 PM |
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Use your efforts to tell people to vote third party, not for Hillary. We've already got like 8% support in the national polls and I think if we can get to maybe just 15% people will start to take us seriously. I don't ever tell people to vote for Trump, even though I think he isn't quite as bad as Hillary.
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posted August 18, 2016 09:11 PM |
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America needs reconstruction. In its very core. Look at those junk people on the streets. They have neither purpose, nor will. They are patiently waiting to die. Day by day. They are slaves of their own prejudices and hatred. And they have no remorse.
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posted August 19, 2016 07:24 PM |
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Salamandre said:
There is one thing which is sure, Hillary will continue the genocidal politic -as she has its own clan to enrich and everybody knows US without wars go bankruptcy in no time-, which patriots so genuinely call "bring freedom" but lets look at results. Desolation and chaos...
At least Trump said he will not...
I'm with you Sal, I understand the worst threat we face and that is this POWER behind the throne since the days of Reagan. (Iran contra)
Russia does not appear to be saber-rattling, them seem very damned worried to me.
Bill Clinton brought us NAFTA and now the POWER wants the TPP.
Obama did BREXIT a favor when he smugly went over and told the Brits they needed to stay in the EU.
We have failed U.S. policies all over the world but especially in the Middle-East, with devastating results and people here will STILL vote for Clinton Jr. to carry on business as usual?
I'd consider voting 3rd party again but we have no time. I voted Perot as a protest against the government and guess who won the election? Clinton. "Once bitten twice shy"
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posted August 25, 2016 03:01 AM |
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Bernie Sanders launches Our Revolution tonight. There is some live address happening right now.
Seems they are trying to put in "many bernies" in all layers of the government. People fighting for the ordinary person and not corporate etc etc...
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posted August 25, 2016 05:16 AM |
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It's sad you guys still believe you can change things. And most of you would say it's sad I don't believe in anything. Sad situation all around, really.
You guys believe Bernie can change things? You believe Trump is genuine? You believe Hillary isn't as worse as Trump? You believe it's Obama's fault? Damn.
Fact. You eat the table scraps given to you by your superiors and that's all you'll get. Fact.
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posted August 25, 2016 04:47 PM |
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You could be very well 100% right but I'm not one to accept the plate before me (life the world etc) be destroyed while I adopt the mainstream attitude of "acceptance"
If it's impossible oh well we tried.
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posted August 25, 2016 06:19 PM |
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Not to be a kill-joy but
I find it unacceptable that at that site there is no mention of all those that are running it. Looking a little deeper what do I find? The Sanders Institute; good grief...another substitute er, Institute.
And who heads this new group? Jeff Weaver
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Weaver formerly served as the campaign manager for Sanders' 2006 United States Senate election. He also served as chief of staff in Sanders’ House and Senate offices.
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In July 2016, after Sanders endorsed Hillary Clinton for president, Weaver joined her campaign staff "to help organize voters".
<imvho>This is about the Democratic Party not America.
The unfolding appears to me a very clever ploy to capture the <tic> "feel the burn" for the DNC in future years. I imagine what happened at this year's DNC convention (though not covered by the left's media machine) scared the hell out of Hillary's camp.
Looked at the long list of "wants" at the site and it seems geared to get everyone who wants something together...right? Well, I'm all for most on that list but it seems to me there actually needs to be more plans than "the mantra"...taking from the rich.
The other issue I have is the fact that the list means and even larger Government than we have all ready! And what we have now is criminally huge. Kansas City's top employers are 3 branches of Government...by far.
If Sanders (or the rest) are THAT concerned for the poor of this nation, why don't they sell 2 of their 3 homes? Our history is full of bullhorns that never have their "own money"...making true their words & speeches.
Whatever we do, it cannot be born in either lap of these two parties.
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posted August 25, 2016 06:25 PM |
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Wasn't sure whether to put this here or in the Political Compass thread, but I was curious about HC's preferences regarding the candidates, so I created a ranked poll.
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posted August 25, 2016 06:35 PM |
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Ah, forcing us to pick eh?
What about undecided?
Just a thought, "if we had taken steps" could we write-in for a Prez?
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posted August 25, 2016 06:49 PM |
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If you're undecided, you shouldn't participate in the poll, just like you wouldn't vote for a candidate in a real election.
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posted August 25, 2016 06:59 PM |
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You don't mind if we Europeans interfere with your poll?
Because I accidentally your poll.
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posted August 25, 2016 07:17 PM |
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I'm disappointed that Trump is beating third party candidates so far. Really, HC?
Anyway here's the new conspiracy theory:
As we all know a substantial number of voters are influence by the current stock market. If the market is doing good, the incumbent party (in this case Democrats) gets reelected. If it is doing poorly they want to switch parties.
The stock market has been flat (+-1.5%) for 6 weeks now. This is absolutely unprecedented. Obviously no one billionaire except maybe Putin (who supports Trump) has the money to level a market like that, but Wallstreet collectively or the Fed is possibly holding it up until the election.
If this is the case then when Hillary gets elected, which is looking pretty likely right now, there will be a huge market correction. Downwards.
Maybe a good day to go short?
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posted August 25, 2016 10:24 PM |
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mvassilev said:
If you're undecided, you shouldn't participate in the poll, just like you wouldn't vote for a candidate in a real election.
My Vote stands then. No change coming anyway.
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posted August 25, 2016 11:00 PM |
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i dont even know...
no election 2020 possible is about my best guess
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