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Sleeping_Sun
Promising
Famous Hero
Townscreen Architect
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posted June 25, 2015 06:43 PM |
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Maybe it is in comparison to these guys: LINK
EDIT: I also think that Dancer (35) as a damage dealer also has too low HP in comparison to Guardian (45). Hopefully, these stats are not final.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted June 25, 2015 06:49 PM |
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It would actually be logical if the hunter was the top core. It would make the 3 elves a similar strength
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MeanMan
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 25, 2015 06:54 PM |
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Edited by MeanMan at 18:58, 25 Jun 2015.
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Sleeping_Sun said:
Dave_Jame said:
Another question Which of the core/elites will be the "Stronger one"
I honestly do not know who to hope for.
Maybe:
Dryad? > Hunter? > Pixie
Or
Hunter? > Dryad? > Pixie
Stag > Druid > Dancer
Green-marked units have been more or less confirmed by the unit stats from the leaked video:
Name | Level | Health | Damage | Might | Defence | Range | Movement | Moral | Luck | Initiative? |
Dragon | Champ.| 210 | 43-51 | 27 | 24 | - | 4 | 23 | 7 | 18 |
M. Doe | Elite | 105 | 20-26 | 19 | 15 | - | 7 | 18 | 12 | 37 |
Dancer | Elite | 35 | 10-14 | 11 | 9 | - | 6 | 18 | 7 | 29 |
Pixie | Core | 11 | 2-2 | 5 | 6 | - | 6 | 18 | 12 | 35 |
You should keep in mind here that the values for might and defense were including the hero stats. iirc the hero had 2 might and 3 defense. You can see it at the unit window in battle. Consequently these values should be lowered by this amount, eg the Dancer has 9 attack and 6 defense, instead of 11/9.
Sleeping_Sun said:
Maybe it is in comparison to these guys: LINK
EDIT: I also think that Dancer (35) as a damage dealer also has too low HP in comparison to Guardian (45). Hopefully, these stats are not final.
The Guardian has 40 HP, not 45. The Justicar has 45, but that's the upgraded unit, while the Dancer in the video was not upgraded (none of the units there were).
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Sleeping_Sun
Promising
Famous Hero
Townscreen Architect
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posted June 25, 2015 07:00 PM |
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@MeanMan
I didn't noticed that about the stats. Thanks for pointing that out.  Regardless of being upgrade or not, Dancer is a glass cannon. He is in a need for HP boost. At least I believe so.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted June 25, 2015 07:04 PM |
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really hope it's druid, but it probably won't. as has been noted they're all the same type (melee walker)
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted June 25, 2015 07:04 PM |
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Sleeping_Sun said:
@MeanMan
I didn't noticed that about the stats. Thanks for pointing that out. Regardless of being upgrade or not, Dancer is a glass cannon. He is in a need for HP boost. At least I believe so.
Wasn't that the whole idea of fury that people loved so much?
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Sleeping_Sun
Promising
Famous Hero
Townscreen Architect
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posted June 25, 2015 07:21 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
Sleeping_Sun said:
@MeanMan
I didn't noticed that about the stats. Thanks for pointing that out. Regardless of being upgrade or not, Dancer is a glass cannon. He is in a need for HP boost. At least I believe so.
Wasn't that the whole idea of fury that people loved so much?
I'll be honest. I do not know.
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Malax83
Famous Hero
Game ranger, HotA Player
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posted June 25, 2015 07:23 PM |
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Edited by Malax83 at 19:27, 25 Jun 2015.
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Sleeping_Sun said:
Maybe it is in comparison to these guys: LINK
Thanks... Or not..
Well, since Heroes 3 Naga Queens are overpowered. The "No retaliation" and "Attacks hit adjacent units" is unstoppable.. And i wish a cooldown or a modification of the damage.
I test these creatures, lower them 30 hit points against black knights (who are the second best 6 level creatures). The black knights have no chance unless they trigger their special attack at their first attack (worst, in my memory, they could be unable to take them even with the special ability at first attack, well it was a fight with 60 - 80 creatures).
Maybe a cooldown could resolve the problem..
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted June 25, 2015 07:27 PM |
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Quote:
Well, since Heroes 3 Naga Queens are overpowered. The "No retaliation" and "Attacks hit adjacent units" is unstoppable.. And i wish a cooldown or a modification of the damage.
Um... heroes 3 naga queens don't have attack all around, just no retaliation
Also Dread Knights are the best lvl 6 creatures in heroes 3 
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted June 25, 2015 07:29 PM |
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Sleeping_Sun said:
Oops, yeah, my bad. Thanks for pointing out that it has more with Dungeon rather than with Sylvan. Whooh, now that that's settled we can all relax.
I disagree again. Is Ubisoft who transformed this faction into a Dark-Elf one. Racials were introduced in Heroes V.
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Malax83
Famous Hero
Game ranger, HotA Player
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posted June 25, 2015 07:29 PM |
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Edited by Malax83 at 19:38, 25 Jun 2015.
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LizardWarrior said:
Quote:
Also Dread Knights are the best lvl 6 creatures in heroes 3
Sry to be realistic, but it proofs anything...
It only confirms the fact they are overpowered
And to clarify the things, it s why archdevil can face against a archangels with less hit points, less damage,sry if it doesn t apply on Rakshasa.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted June 25, 2015 07:36 PM |
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A Naga Queen may beat a Dread Knight in 1vs1 because: they got no enemy retaliation, they got constant damage so dk curse doesn't do anything and they are able to get morale. However if we are talking about bigger numbers and general usefulness, DK tops NQ any day. DK got double damage+curse+higher stats, while naga queens got only no retal.
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Malax83
Famous Hero
Game ranger, HotA Player
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posted June 25, 2015 07:41 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
A Naga Queen may beat a Dread Knight in 1vs1 because: they got no enemy retaliation, they got constant damage so dk curse doesn't do anything and they are able to get morale. However if we are talking about bigger numbers and general usefulness, DK tops NQ any day. DK got double damage+curse+higher stats, while naga queens got only no retal.
Ah AH AH
I ve done these tests.
With lower Naga Queens hit points.
No way, you are saying mistakes.
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Sleeping_Sun
Promising
Famous Hero
Townscreen Architect
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posted June 25, 2015 07:46 PM |
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Galaad said:
Sleeping_Sun said:
Oops, yeah, my bad. Thanks for pointing out that it has more with Dungeon rather than with Sylvan. Whooh, now that that's settled we can all relax.
I disagree again. Is Ubisoft who transformed this faction into a Dark-Elf one. Racials were introduced in Heroes V.
I think you didn't realize... I replied to your post the same way you replied to mine. Care to explain how Sylvan has nothing to do with Rampart and Preserve?
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted June 25, 2015 07:51 PM |
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Straightforward fight, no spells, hero atk and def are 0, death blow occured only once, 30 vs 30
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AnkVaati
Famous Hero
Nighonese National Front
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posted June 25, 2015 07:52 PM |
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Edited by AnkVaati at 19:53, 25 Jun 2015.
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Galaad said:
Sleeping_Sun said:
Oops, yeah, my bad. Thanks for pointing out that it has more with Dungeon rather than with Sylvan. Whooh, now that that's settled we can all relax.
I disagree again. Is Ubisoft who transformed this faction into a Dark-Elf one. Racials were introduced in Heroes V.
Few of the Ashan-factions are really related to the glory of the NWC:s games, since Ubi-Wan's towns are based on races (copied from generic fantasy series) but the originals were based on themes, which is a more interesting and mature concept. It was one of the things that set the series apart from the more unimaginative, cliché-filled fantasy series. I refuse to see the imported generic S&M-Dungeon as a continuation of the noble Warlock civilization.
The same goes for the Sylvan/Elven-blahblah. The Sorceress town was a town of fairies. It was a nature town, not an elven town. But yes - as stated above, NWC sadly did somewhat pave the way by phasing out the Sorceress heroes for Druids. Sorceresses as the magical matriarchs of the fey town was an original HoMM-concept, while Druids are featured in Warcraft, Warhammer, DnD and so on. Of course Ubi-Wan took maximum advantage of this faux pas to justify turning our fairy/nature town into a LotR-elf town, in line with their genericization of the series.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 25, 2015 07:52 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 19:58, 25 Jun 2015.
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I agree on rampart, somewhat on preserve. Rampart was more of a Tolkien faction while sylvan more of an Ashan elf faction. It is still a nature faction so you could say that it overlaps with preserve but preserve never was about the elves.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted June 25, 2015 08:17 PM |
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well to be honest the Preserve is about elves, the campaign is nothing but elves, the heroes are all elves or humans, the only race creatures to be recruited is elves,
before Ubi came along it was the most race-focused town in the series behind the Knight towns, every other town had a few races but not this one lol
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AnkVaati
Famous Hero
Nighonese National Front
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posted June 25, 2015 08:28 PM |
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Edited by AnkVaati at 20:29, 25 Jun 2015.
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verriker said:
well to be honest the Preserve is about elves, the campaign is nothing but elves, the heroes are all elves or humans, the only race creatures to be recruited is elves,
before Ubi came along it was the most race-focused town in the series behind the Knight towns, every other town had a few races but not this one lol
To an extent, yes. It started really going downhill when the dwarves departed for Academy, which was a quite stupid decision IMHO. But still, Perserve had only one elf creature which could easily be discarded for the White Tiger (which also had a quite funny story in the original campaign, if you remember) and only about 40% of the heroes were elven. So it was still pretty much a nature/fairy-town, not an elven town.
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Malax83
Famous Hero
Game ranger, HotA Player
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posted June 25, 2015 08:52 PM |
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Edited by Malax83 at 21:14, 25 Jun 2015.
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80 Naga Queen beat 80 Dread knight
Actually, it s terrible if all adjacents ennemies are attacked,
I don t know why your army win, my test 30 Naga Queens wins anyway against Dread knight. Maybe something is wrong with your test ?
I let you imagine what happens to efreets, wyverns, cyclops, licorns, manticors and knights...
And they can still win it with 80 hit points instead of 110
I remember when i ve done the poll vote for the balance creature in this community. Naga Queens doesn t appear imo due to their slow appearance,.... fight them is such an open wound ...
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