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Gryphs
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posted July 22, 2015 08:31 PM |
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The new images look fantastic compared to the old ones.
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PandaTar
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posted July 22, 2015 08:55 PM |
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@Kiryuu
Nope. That number regards my mood in playing even the old games, tarnishing the feeling I had when playing them.
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Kimarous
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posted July 22, 2015 09:30 PM |
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Here's hoping the in-game models look as good as the concept art. 
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Gryphs
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The Clever Title
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posted July 22, 2015 09:34 PM |
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You killed my short-lived optimism. 
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Pawek_13
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posted July 22, 2015 09:41 PM |
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Gryphs said:
You killed my short-lived optimism.
The only time when art was better than 3D model was with Bone and Emerald Dragons, so these two units should be good-looking.
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ChrisD1
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posted July 22, 2015 09:52 PM |
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an armored vampire "monster"... having a good hair day(or night  ) the only thing that changes from the old vampire is the hair color and the shape of the face..
and that's what happens when you try to fit enroth in ashan.
the night lady would make more sense and would be a much more coherent unit.
since I didn't hate the old vampire I don't hate this unit too because it's actually the same. But seeing a being using armor and looking all noble and "civilized" and not using a sword is plain stupid to my eyes. It should look more savage to justify the lack of the a sword, and the need to attack like an animal. It did give me a good laugh though
About the lich, it couldn't get any worse from the older model so anything was bound to look way better. My choice was the mummy but this one is good too!
enjoy your ..."monster" (still laughing though )
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PandaTar
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posted July 22, 2015 09:59 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
Gryphs said:
You killed my short-lived optimism.
The only time when art was better than 3D model was with Bone and Emerald Dragons, so these two units should be good-looking.
Now you are being too optimistic, hohohoho. 
I remember ghots, skeletons, lamassus, bone dragons, wyverns, basilisks, and a couple of others that art was way better than the 3D mess, I mean the 3D work.
Really, ghosts were even fine in artwork, but then they were turned into animated phlegm.
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Steyn
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posted July 22, 2015 10:25 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
the only thing that changes from the old vampire is the hair color and the shape of the face..
...which were the biggest flaws of the previous design.
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Dave_Jame
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I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted July 22, 2015 10:36 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
Gryphs said:
You killed my short-lived optimism.
The only time when art was better than 3D model was with Bone and Emerald Dragons, so these two units should be good-looking.
What?!? The stronghold art looks atrocious! Not that the models would be any good, but the barbarians really took the short straw when it comes to concept art designe this time.
And BTW Both dragons have an abysmal artwork. One looks like a Kirin/wingless shadow dragon. The other (apart of beeing a recolored shadow dragon in 3D) fails to represent anything at all.
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Gryphs
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The Clever Title
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posted July 22, 2015 10:48 PM |
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I would not say they were that bad accept for the centaur.
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TD
Promising
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posted July 22, 2015 10:59 PM |
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The concept arts in general have been WAAAAYYYYY better than the actual 3d-models IMO. The weirdest one I find is the bone dragon, concept looks quite fierce while in reality for 3d-model they just copy/pasted h6 which begs the question why make concept art at all for unit like that..? It seems somebody just made the concept afterwards, not matching the actual 3d model hardly at all... Kinda like concept showing full grown version which is along the lines of scary/dangerous and model being more of cute&cuddly, a puppy if you will...
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Datapack
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posted July 22, 2015 11:36 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
an armored vampire "monster"... having a good hair day(or night ) the only thing that changes from the old vampire is the hair color and the shape of the face..
and that's what happens when you try to fit enroth in ashan.
enjoy your ..."monster" (still laughing though )
Here a image to refresh your mind, you must have forgotten how snow this actually looked.
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Protolisk
Promising
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posted July 23, 2015 01:07 AM |
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Datapack said:
Well, I kinda have to agree.
Armored boots? Check. Cape thing? Check. Long loin cloth? Check. Armored gauntlets? Check. Overly ornate chest/abdomen coverings? Check. Big shoulder armor? Check. Flatly colored green eyes? Check. Long hair? Check.
The differences, besides holding a sword, is... the colors. Black and red instead of teal/blue and grey. The upgrade here is as armored in appearance as the basic vampire before. Of course, it's not the old Vampire Lord in form, but it does look very similar to the old basic Vamp.
Beyond that, it's the face shape, and some blood on his chin. Not really all that much.
I said this a while ago, that this vote was kinda dumb, for the Vamp. Even back in the old artwork we voted on, they were all armored and ornate. I agree, so much for "monster". But, it does show how powerful color scheme is.
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Datapack
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posted July 23, 2015 01:47 AM |
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Protolisk said:
I said this a while ago, that this vote was kinda dumb, for the Vamp. Even back in the old artwork we voted on, they were all armored and ornate. I agree, so much for "monster". But, it does show how powerful color scheme is.
The colors were not the issue, the old vampire doesn't even look like a vampire to begin with, he mainly looks like your very 'original' knight with a sword larger than himself.
Overall the new design is a boatload better than what we had before even though it's not perfect.
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Raenus
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posted July 23, 2015 03:07 AM |
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You are trying to make a very unfair comparison, showing one units upgrade and the downgrade of the other.
Compare the two and tell me honestly that they have the same amount of over the top cosmetics.
The old upgrade & the new.
The new unit is WAY more reasonable in my opinion, although still over the top for my tastes. We thankfully got rid of the glowing lightsaber sword, the excessive spikes, the really, really stupid helmet, and the botox face while also injecting Necropolis with some much needed color variations. I would call that a huge win and not a simple redesign.
Overall I was freakin ecstatic to see how well they did on the units and am very pleased with the communities choices.
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Protolisk
Promising
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posted July 23, 2015 03:34 AM |
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Datapack said:
The colors were not the issue, the old vampire doesn't even look like a vampire to begin with, he mainly looks like your very 'original' knight with a sword larger than himself.
Overall the new design is a boatload better than what we had before even though it's not perfect.
So, then if it's not the color scheme, then what was the problem? I assume it was more than just the sword, but perhaps that is all.
Because to me, it looks almost exactly like the original vampire, to me anyway, with a different color scheme, and no sword. Now it's just a guy in armor. So if the color scheme change wasn't an issue, then clearly the armor, which has barely changed, is still a problem? Or was it just the sword?
He is a guy in armor with fangs, though. That is a bit better than a sword. But what will his attack be? Is he going to bite people, or just lash out with his armored gauntlet talons? At that point, it will be just like the old vamp, but with armored pointy fingers instead of an oversized razor blade. I guess he may lick his claws though, as an idle animation or something. If not, then this new model will act almost just the same as the old one, but with the pretense of being "better" because it doesn't have weaponry. I can not agree that it is "a boatload" better when it looks largely the same, sans sword. I almost expect the new model to be nearly exactly the same as the old one, baring color change and lack of blade, with different animations, though I really hope that isn't going to happen. It's true, they'll change the decorations and patterns on the armor.
This looks like the H6 vamp cut his lips tryed to suck on his old sword, then he ditched it so he didn't look like the Joker.
However, he does resemble this guy more than this guy, which I guess is mission accomplished.
This is not to say I don't like the new art. It's just not as appealing as everyone makes it out to be, for the Vampire, at least. The meth head Lich, which I did defend once upon a time with some tenuous reasoning, is markedly worse than the new art, which I like, but 3D models are what I am really looking forward to. I assume the Lich will look much more different compared to his old form than the Vampire will, which was what I was trying to say in the first place.
@Raenus,
True, that was the old unupgraded, and this the new upgraded. However, my fears still stand. Though if they use these artworks for their face plates in the queue, will have to be decided via their shoulders. The models, however, should be easier to tell since one is all black, the other has some red.
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Raenus
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Grouchy curmudgeon
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posted July 23, 2015 03:48 AM |
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Protolisk said:
Because to me, it looks almost exactly like the original vampire, to me anyway, with a different color scheme, and no sword. Now it's just a guy in armor. So if the color scheme change wasn't an issue, then clearly the armor, which has barely changed, is still a problem? Or was it just the sword?
I would argue that the armor has changed significantly. His old armor looked like plate and chain mail with ridiculous spike/spider legs on the shoulders, while the new armor appears to be cloth with leather pauldrons, chest piece, and loin cloth (which is admittedly stupid imo). The helmet is also gone which was a major problem I had with the original.
Having said all of that though, the biggest reason by far I voted for the Blood Monster was the sword. I hated the idea of a vampire with a sword, and not only a sword but a giant, glowing, spiky sword at that.
I am not naysaying your fears (you have some valid ones), just trying to explain why I think it is such an improvement.
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lokdron
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posted July 23, 2015 03:51 AM |
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Edited by lokdron at 03:57, 23 Jul 2015.
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I like the vampire design I think it fits quite well if we are getting a look at the war necropolis had with academy. I am sure a lot of the vampires embraced a bit of brutality in the war you know to drive the fear of the undead and asha into the wizards. Plus its war.
He still has that aristocrat air about him with a major helping of brutality. I can imagine him after a battle he changes back to being more formal and "noble".
Also I have no problems with a vampire wielding a sword. As a fan of vampire counts in warhammer I like both aspects. Some vampires in warhammer are a mix of the two.
They stab someone then tear of their face with their claws. Anyway love the artwork hope the 3d model is just as good. Oh and the lich looks awesome as well.
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Datapack
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posted July 23, 2015 03:51 AM |
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Edited by Datapack at 03:52, 23 Jul 2015.
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Protolisk said:
not the color scheme, then what was the problem? I assume it was more than just the sword, but perhaps that is all.
I already told you where the issue lies, the way the vampire is present to us, there is nothing about the old vampire that tells us hes a bloodsucking vampire unless having pale skin and long hair makes you a vampire.
And the armor bit is reduced by a lot which you seem to disagree with but it is and sure I'd love to change most of the units appearances but sadly Erwan is the one controlling this universe.
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EnergyZ
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posted July 23, 2015 08:08 AM |
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Protolisk said:
But what will his attack be? Is he going to bite people, or just lash out with his armored gauntlet talons? At that point, it will be just like the old vamp, but with armored pointy fingers instead of an oversized razor blade. I guess he may lick his claws though, as an idle animation or something. If not, then this new model will act almost just the same as the old one, but with the pretense of being "better" because it doesn't have weaponry.
Isn't it hard to bite people when you are in the middle of the battle? I mean that H2 and H3 vampire used hands to attack and they still healed themselves through life drain. H4 did have that animation which did made you felt it did steal life (well, more like a soul rather than blood), but some still didn't like the animation.
So, how do you think it will bite people? It has to extend its head and tongue to do that. Some would just slap it in the face then.
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