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Celfious
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posted August 29, 2014 01:43 AM |
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Edited by Celfious at 01:53, 29 Aug 2014.
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I am not on topic of the ludicrous and unfortunate events with the potentially traumatized girl when I say this but I want to make something clear in as good a way as it can be,
I am not a Proud American (while at the same time I would have respect for my surroundings, neighbors, and humanity in general), and many of us have problems with our own country from a variety of perspectives. Me personally? I don't even find much desire or need to watch the media and listen to others to find some predefinition of "whats going on"
Its a crock.. Its potentially more detrimental to the world and human species than I can imagine. The ones responsible for this are not the only stupidity, greed, or plague in the world however, I don't pay attention to mine I don't pay attention to others either.
When and if someone passes judgment on us who are born and stuck here they may be forgetting we are powerless and discontent. I don't condone XY and Z, and upto a certain page I agree with certain loathing, until it is on an innocent fellow of no choice, and despite the "voting" we have no voice.
Please do not put me or other innocent people under the umbrella of antiamericanism
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bloodsucker
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posted August 29, 2014 01:58 AM |
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Tsar-Ivor said:
If every American has the right to bear arms, then they are denied the excuse that they lacked the means to confront tyranny and oppression.
What makes perfect sense since the only mean tyranny knows to dominate people is brute force; unemployment, exclusion from social beneficts, misleading information and things of the like are, of course completly irrelevant.
Sal said:
Many things americans do look mindless to us.
But, when it comes to take military decisions, arm soldiers and send them to fight, we (europeans) do not move a finger before americans do it. Then, we enjoy mocking on their particular relation with anything military, weapons and such.
Looks to me a bit hypocrite.
What happens is that european government leaders don't profict from starting a military action to their electoral campaigns as the Americans do. So they don't feel any urge of be the ones starting the agression (they will lose votes) and they wait for someone else (America) to take the iniciative. Then they follow and advertise it to their population one way or another.
Here in Portugal they usually say we "have to honor our compromisses or one day we can need European/American armys and they simply may not came", wich is bulls... but is the way they have to justify it to a population that maioritarly will speak against our envolvement in any war. Is an hypocrasy? Yes, but so they were Bush's speaches about the situation in the Middle East. The dfference is that there galvanizing the population with a war was profitable both politically and economically, here would had burried the apologists.
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fred79
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posted August 29, 2014 02:35 AM |
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i love how a thread about a girl accidentally shooting someone, got into a "bash gun owners, and the united states as a whole" thread. snowing wonderful. really. some of you are the pinnacle of intelligence.
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Corribus
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posted August 29, 2014 02:50 AM |
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fred79 said:
HOW THEY KILL ONE ANOTHER IS ENTIRELY BESIDES THE ****ING POINT.
lol, fred this rant of yours reminded me of this comic from The Oatmeal.
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artu
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posted August 29, 2014 02:53 AM |
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Even if we don't restrict ourselves with developed countries, US is a special phenomenon when it comes to civilians owning guns. Check the statistics here, while number 2 and 3 follow it by rates around 50 percent, it has a rate of 97 guns per 100 residents! It clearly indicates something socio-cultural beyond individual initiative. This isn't about some temporary legislation or which party you vote, it's a unique social phenomenon:
The constitution directly talking about the right to bear arms, immigration from all over the world and the heavy drug trafficking in the Southern border, gun industry making millions of dollars... I guess all of these create a unique combination and provides the result we see here.
If any of you label not turning a blind eye into this, as anti-americanism, that would be your problem and quite a poor case of psychological framing. Besides, there is no one from Yemen or Serbia here, who opposes the idea of not teaching a ten year-old shooting. People object to an argument, not your "Americaness."
Oh, and speaking of pinnacle of intelligence... You just presented a reasoning such as this: "Humanity is stupid and most people can't handle themselves, so it's better for everyone to get armed." It's always an amazing adventure to see great minds at work.
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bloodsucker
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posted August 29, 2014 03:04 AM |
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Sal said:
not fair to count single sessions.
And also according someone posted somewhere around here, almost twice the worlds record that is of merely six shoots.
Such a talent going un-noticed... Two times above Casanova and if that guy loved to brag about it (of course he had help...)
Fred said: hey, at least we're doing our part to help curb population growth. what have any of your countries done to help solve that growing issue?
You aren't doing a nothing relevante in that sense, since most of the people killed are in the early years of their lives; when they could be contributing to society, while the helder population that is just consuming the wealth generated remains relatively untouched by this tendency. 
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fred79
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posted August 29, 2014 04:07 AM |
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Edited by fred79 at 04:16, 29 Aug 2014.
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Corribus said:
fred79 said:
HOW THEY KILL ONE ANOTHER IS ENTIRELY BESIDES THE ****ING POINT.
lol, fred this rant of yours reminded me of this comic from The Oatmeal.
corribus, do you at least see what i'm trying to get across to people?
i mean, am i only shouting into the wind at this point?
have i only ever been shouting into the wind with people? is my anger only for someone else's amusement?
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Corribus
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posted August 29, 2014 04:26 AM |
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fred79 said:
corribus, do you at least see what i'm trying to get across to people?
Wasn't that clear from the cartoon?
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fred79
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posted August 29, 2014 04:47 AM |
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i see.
i have made myself abundantly clear. that i am not heard, is no one's mistake but those who fail to comprehend.
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artu
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posted August 29, 2014 05:05 AM |
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That's quite an extrapolation and one you are always so eager to jump blindly into.
Nobody objected to the fact that if someone is definitely decisive about committing murder, he can also do that with a pocket knife. This is not an excuse to justify military grade weapons being sold around like candy or makes it reasonable to train a ten year-old to shoot though.
And Corribus is not the Holy Father, him agreeing with a little RANT of yours doesn't suddenly turn the body of your whole argument into solid gold.
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Corribus
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posted August 29, 2014 05:51 AM |
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@artu
Just because I understand the point someone is making doesn't mean I agree with it. Which is half the problem with this place, isn't it? Have we really gotten to the point where we can't even tell someone we understand their point of view, even if we think it's wrong?
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fred79
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posted August 29, 2014 09:37 AM |
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Edited by fred79 at 09:39, 29 Aug 2014.
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ok, now i'm confused. artu is assuming that corribus agreed with me; i saw nothing from what corribus said as him "agreeing".
in fact, i thought that corribus was comparing me to the nimrod getting upset at the t.v. in the comic... 
cor, am i wrong? did i misread that comic as an attempt to display my emotional demeanor in my response to the posts in this thread?
did i let my anger view an innocent joke in the wrong light, in other words?
or was i correct in my assumption of being again misread, and ridiculed for it?
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artu
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posted August 29, 2014 10:38 AM |
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Edited by artu at 10:39, 29 Aug 2014.
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You are wrong in your assumption that if people don't agree with you, it's certainly because they can't get you. The point you are trying to get across is not an exceptionally complicated one.
Corribus said:
@artu
Just because I understand the point someone is making doesn't mean I agree with it. Which is half the problem with this place, isn't it? Have we really gotten to the point where we can't even tell someone we understand their point of view, even if we think it's wrong?
Of course not, but looking at this post, I'd say that's not how he perceived things:
Maybe, the post itself is a little problematic. It certainly sounds like since Fred thinks that you got him, the rest who didn't were only to blame themselves. One can read it as even you didn't get him though. Anyway, throwing around vague accusations of bashing all gun owners or Anti-Americanism, when nobody (and I mean nobody, I didn't take it personally) said anything remotely convenient to justify such accusations also doesn't help you to try and be more empathic.
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fred79
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posted August 29, 2014 10:45 AM |
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Edited by fred79 at 10:50, 29 Aug 2014.
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oh, what the snow ever, artu. you say that it is easy for me to be read, then act like i'm pulling snow out of my ass with my "accusations". the only thing i did that could be construed as me pulling anything out of my ass, was when i MAY have misinterpreted corribus's post.
really, stay the snow away from my posts. all you ever do is throw snow at me, and i'm tired of it. i am snowing TIRED of it. you are so petty in your little rivalry, it's just sickening.
here, artu. i'll even provide you with wtf i was talking about, when i said "anti-american":
Storm-Giant said:
Give a 9 year old girl an Uzi.
America never cease to amaze me.
FIRST response, artu. FIRST response. there were more like it after that. you satisfied now? i provided snowing proof, just for you. jesus christ. it's quite easy to see, that one stupid act, got the entire nation pulled into it in a slinging-mud fest. really, do you hate me so much, that you are forever blind to the obvious?
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artu
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posted August 29, 2014 11:02 AM |
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That's just regular sarcasm, not serious anti-americanism. And training nine year olds with Uzis is really something you almost certainly wont be seeing elsewhere, unless they are being trained to become martyrs on a civil war or something. You again see drama where there isn't any as usual. Yes, you are pulling snow out of your ass. Don't get upset when people call it what it is. There wasn't any bashing, you enter with your rant, you start the bashing and then make it sound like it's everybody else who are acting sickening. You try to appear smarter by generalizing everyone else's intelligence as low, nobody buys it, naturally they ridicule you along the way because of it and then you play the victim. It's your unearned smugness that puts you in such situations, nothing else.
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fred79
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posted August 29, 2014 11:08 AM |
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of course, artu, of course. use my temper as a way to discredit a snowing fact. are you pleased with yourself?
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artu
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posted August 29, 2014 11:14 AM |
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fred79
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posted August 29, 2014 11:18 AM |
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Edited by fred79 at 11:22, 29 Aug 2014.
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you care to tell me, how someone responding to information about a poor 9-year-old girl, who has to deal with the fact that she killed someone, WOULDN'T create an emotional response from someone reading about it? are you REALLY saying that SARCASM would follow such a thing? i really don't think sg is heartless. i believe he was speaking directly from his emotions, as we all were.
you have quite a skewed view of the world, artu. that, or you're outright lying, and trying to provoke me.
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artu
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posted August 29, 2014 11:33 AM |
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If they don't actually know the people involved, when people read these things, of course they go "what a pity, poor girl" but they don't burst into tears and get in a state where they are too depressed to make a sarcastic comment. You can both wish it had not happened and make a sarcastic comment about the absurdity of the situation. Sarcasm can be dark, it's not always usually "hihohaha" laughter, anyway.
Calling that post Anti-American is only taking the word very lightly.
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fred79
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posted August 29, 2014 11:37 AM |
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Edited by fred79 at 11:40, 29 Aug 2014.
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i just watched the edited video. i was confused earlier, by how the gun got away from her, if she was able to fire a single shot. before she fired the first shot, the instructor flipped the semi/auto lever to single fire(or, to flip the safety off). then, after she fired her initial shot, the instructor set it back to full auto. that explains how she was able to fire a single shot, and then fire a burst that she couldn't control. not to mention, the dumbass was standing next to her, instead of behind her, which was the safest place to be.
@ artu: i'm done discussing this with you.
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